(02-08-2012 11:12 AM)attackfrog Wrote:  Quo, you often make very legitimate points---today must be an off day for you. This is just silly. Fan reaction on a bulletin board is absolutely no indication of the contribution a school will make to a conference's net worth. A better indication might be athletic budget. FYI-The Memphis athletic budget would tend to indicate they will be a worthy conference mate.

Fan reaction would seemingly matter, since fans often have good knowledge about what their programs bring to the table. E.g., i have no doubt that these Memphis homers flooding the forum know more about the ins and outs of Memphis's ability to contribute than i do.

As for athletic budget, what does that mean? Memphis has a big budget, and has terrible football.

Don't worry about us carrying our own weight. We haven't been working out of mobile trailers like USF in decades.

Give us four years of BCS recruiting like you had in 2008 and we'll run the Bulls off the field just like we did in 2004 before you guys won the Florida location lottery.

Mouths to feed...

quo must understand that the big east is expecting a huge payday
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Louisville, Cincinnati, USF, Marquette, and DePaul were pretty ecstatic in 2003 but those additions seem to have worked out pretty well.

(02-09-2012 12:55 AM)RandyMc Wrote:  Don't worry about us carrying our own weight. We haven't been working out of mobile trailers like USF in decades.

Give us four years of BCS recruiting ...

... still wondering where these better recruits are going to come from for you. At USF, we struggle badly in the face of recruiting by UF, FSU, Miami, Alabama, Auburn, etc. Often lose 4- and 5- star recruits from high schools in the shadows of our campus. We get the 2- and 3- star scraps left over.

Fortunately for us, there are a lot of those, since Florida is such a talent hot-bed. But Memphis is in a far less munificent location, and the competition for talent is even more intense in your area. I don't see it happening dude ...

Well they are in and now is up to them to show on the field if its a good move or not. So let's stop spinning the same bs and move on

(02-08-2012 10:32 AM)k5james Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 10:30 AM)ZachMan Wrote:  I am telling you guys that Memphis football will surprise you very soon, more potential than many teams that already throwing stones. Yes we are in the middle of SEC country and we have negelected it for too long but USF will always be at best 4th fiddle in Florida so being able to be as good as them won't take long. You foget you are also getting a poweful basketball program that draws 17-18k for CUSA games now and has an average RPI over the lst 10 years tied with UCONN one point behind Louisville. Don't sneeze at Elite 8, Elite 8, National Championship game, Sweet 16, and NCCA 2nd round in the last 5 years.

Nobody is upset about adding your basketball but don't try to blow sunshine up our ass about your football. Yes, there's potential, but until that potential starts to come through don't expect us to be happy about adding a really bad football team to the conference.

You've had two winning seasons in the last 13 years. We're wondering why you think you've earned the right to talk smack about anyone's football program.

FedEx Big East Championship game.. Nuff said man.

(02-08-2012 10:37 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 10:30 AM)ZachMan Wrote:  I am telling you guys that Memphis football will surprise you very soon, more potential than many teams that already throwing stones.

Seriously, what is your potential? Where are your quality recruits going to come from?

There are a lot of quality recruits in their area. Does this mean with BCS tag they will all of a sudden get the 5* guys that were going to UT? No. But it does mean they will have a good shot at keeping the local 3* and some 4* that would have went to like Ole Miss, or Vandy, Texas Tech, etc. This is exactly what UC has been able to do....we now get most of the really good 3* and now even some 4* guys who would have went to places like IU, Purude, Mich St, etc in the past. OSU is still getting their pick of the 5* but you can have a good program with a bunch of 3* and some 4* guys sprinkled in....UC has won the Big East 3 of the last 4 years. We have been ranked since 2007 on and off and things look to be getting brighter. So yes, Memphis CAN do it.

Memphis will get FB recruits the same place UL,UC,WVU, get them, Florida! Place is crawling with talent.

(02-09-2012 08:30 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 10:37 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 10:30 AM)ZachMan Wrote:  I am telling you guys that Memphis football will surprise you very soon, more potential than many teams that already throwing stones.

Seriously, what is your potential? Where are your quality recruits going to come from?

There are a lot of quality recruits in their area. Does this mean with BCS tag they will all of a sudden get the 5* guys that were going to UT? No. But it does mean they will have a good shot at keeping the local 3* and some 4* that would have went to like Ole Miss, or Vandy, Texas Tech, etc. This is exactly what UC has been able to do....we now get most of the really good 3* and now even some 4* guys who would have went to places like IU, Purude, Mich St, etc in the past. OSU is still getting their pick of the 5* but you can have a good program with a bunch of 3* and some 4* guys sprinkled in....UC has won the Big East 3 of the last 4 years. We have been ranked since 2007 on and off and things look to be getting brighter. So yes, Memphis CAN do it.

Memphis got 11 3-star players in the 2012 class after hiring a new coach 30 days before signing day. We signed 17 3-star players in the 2011 class.

If Memphis can do that in CUSA, it should be able to sign even more 3-star and 4-star players in the Big East. There is a lot of talent in the TN/AR/MS area and Memphis should be able to beat out the lower SEC teams for that talent. The city of Memphis alone produces 20+ FBS players per year, many of them choosing to play in the SEC. I expect that Memphis will become a much more attractive choice in the future.

Head Coach Justin Fuente was the former co-OC and lead offensive playcaller for TCU. I would expect that he's going to get a lot of our players from Texas as well.

don't worry about Quo....he's a perpetual debbie downer. I dont even think he's a real USF/Big East fan but I humor him anyway. It's fun to read his thoughts which originate from this alternate universe he has created in his mind....


He's kind of like the town drunk in this forum....we just humor him and people put up with his bs because it's kind of fun to watch him stumble around and fall down...hahahahah

(02-09-2012 06:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-09-2012 12:55 AM)RandyMc Wrote:  Don't worry about us carrying our own weight. We haven't been working out of mobile trailers like USF in decades.

Give us four years of BCS recruiting ...

... still wondering where these better recruits are going to come from for you. At USF, we struggle badly in the face of recruiting by UF, FSU, Miami, Alabama, Auburn, etc. Often lose 4- and 5- star recruits from high schools in the shadows of our campus. We get the 2- and 3- star scraps left over.Fortunately for us, there are a lot of those, since Florida is such a talent hot-bed. But Memphis is in a far less munificent location, and the competition for talent is even more intense in your area. I don't see it happening dude ...

Quo, I have to correct the record. USF got basically all 3 star recruits, with a couple 4 stars, not "2 and 3 star recruits" as you stated. In this latest recruiting cycle, according to Rivals, USF had:

2 4 Star recruits
16 3 Star recruits
2 2 Star recruits

http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiti...12/usf-655

(02-08-2012 11:33 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 11:20 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  I think everyone who has been added except but Boise and Navy probably are net losses in terms of revenue.

Still, I don't think anyone is a huge hit on revenue. The current value of the BE isn't so much driven by who is in it, it is driven by the current seller's market in terms of TV rights. As long as NBC/Comcast is chomping at the bit for a college conference, the BE will get paid.

Agreed...also, I think Memphis is a great addition.

I'm sure Fred Smith will get involved and bring some $$$ through advertising and sponsorship to the nBE. BTW, Memphis BB will help bring back a near elite team to the BE after losing WVU and Pitt. On the FB side they are struggling but with a BCS label they will be able to recruit the higher level Memphis Area kids against the SEC.

Memphis also is a great pick for geography. With a Delta hub many schools can travel efficiently to Memphis. Memphis also helps bridge the gap between TX and the NE schools. It doesn't hurt either that you will get the Liberty Bowl full time in a few years. Finally, Memphis is one of the best places to visit for a 3-4 day weekend around a FB or BB game. Plus Memphis has awesome tailgating.

I have a Memphis Tailgate and Visitors Guide done...see my link below and click on Memphis on the right hand side.

Great job, and yes, the BE will be helped by Fred Smith. The Liberty Bowl has and still is being upgraded. They announced today for 2 new jumotrons, sound system, and press box. Tiger Lane is open and it is awesome. I think BE members will be impressed, especially with all the grills/smokers going, activities for families, and just a all around good time.

First off, It can be good for conf and school. It is all about TV$$$ not school money. Any non AQ stepping up is going to get a windall, that doesn't mean the conf doesnt get the same windall. UCF got 1.2 mil from CUSA, If our market brings in big bucks for BE it is a win, the fact we end up with 10 mil per year is also a win. Quo's statement make no sense. It can be good for BE and the fans of incoming school should also be excited. not a either or.

The value of a team being added also is indicative of tv market generated and corporate sponsorship. The Liberty Bowl coming along is almost 2 mil per season in itself.

Don't worry football fans, we will get very good recruits. Our last 3 recruiting classes have been good, and that was just with upgrades. Now that we can say BCS, then it will only get better. Miss/TN/AR is loaded with talent, and we have pipelines into Florida, Texas, Georgia, and Louisiana.

(02-09-2012 09:38 AM)homefry20 Wrote:  The value of a team being added also is indicative of tv market generated and corporate sponsorship. The Liberty Bowl coming along is almost 2 mil per season in itself.

Yep, we will bring in money.

FedEx will likely sponsor the conference tourney and football championship. This is one of the reasons they stopped sponsoring the Orange bowl. Smith has also pledged to improve facilities.

(02-08-2012 10:32 AM)k5james Wrote:  Nobody is upset about adding your basketball but don't try to blow sunshine up our ass about your football. Yes, there's potential, but until that potential starts to come through don't expect us to be happy about adding a really bad football team to the conference.

Son, I'll be coming to San Diego in a few years, and hell's coming with me. If we could come out to Calfornia and beat San Jose State and USC (and we did), we can sure as hell compete with SDSU. Note that we won as many games during the last decade as did SDSU. Our football program has been down for 3 years, but is being fixed in a big way. You have a LOT to learn (and you will) about Southern football, including Memphis Tiger style. Hope you will also be coming to Memphs - great party town.