Looks like the anti-reproductive freedom advocates are directing their efforts in the wrong place.

http://yourlife.usatoday.com/health/stor...52641546/1

(02-02-2012 12:39 AM)BigRedBear Wrote:  Looks like the anti-reproductive freedom advocates are directing their efforts in the wrong place.

http://yourlife.usatoday.com/health/stor...52641546/1

Ummm the second paragraph in your article...

Quote:Experts couldn't say whether more liberal laws led to fewer procedures, but said good access to birth control in those countries resulted in fewer unwanted pregnancies.

I swear morons and stats should be treated like small children and guns... Stats are way to dangerous to let a moron operate without an adult around.

(02-02-2012 01:00 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 12:39 AM)BigRedBear Wrote:  Looks like the anti-reproductive freedom advocates are directing their efforts in the wrong place.

http://yourlife.usatoday.com/health/stor...52641546/1

Ummm the second paragraph in your article...

Quote:Experts couldn't say whether more liberal laws led to fewer procedures, but said good access to birth control in those countries resulted in fewer unwanted pregnancies.

I swear morons and stats should be treated like small children and guns... Stats are way to dangerous to let a moron operate without an adult around.

So bull, you agree then that birth control should be included in health plans?

(02-02-2012 06:28 AM)dcCid Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 01:00 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 12:39 AM)BigRedBear Wrote:  Looks like the anti-reproductive freedom advocates are directing their efforts in the wrong place.

http://yourlife.usatoday.com/health/stor...52641546/1

Ummm the second paragraph in your article...

Quote:Experts couldn't say whether more liberal laws led to fewer procedures, but said good access to birth control in those countries resulted in fewer unwanted pregnancies.

I swear morons and stats should be treated like small children and guns... Stats are way to dangerous to let a moron operate without an adult around.

So bull, you agree then that birth control should be included in health plans?

Everything except the pill.

(02-02-2012 09:56 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 06:28 AM)dcCid Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 01:00 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 12:39 AM)BigRedBear Wrote:  Looks like the anti-reproductive freedom advocates are directing their efforts in the wrong place.

http://yourlife.usatoday.com/health/stor...52641546/1

Ummm the second paragraph in your article...

Quote:Experts couldn't say whether more liberal laws led to fewer procedures, but said good access to birth control in those countries resulted in fewer unwanted pregnancies.

I swear morons and stats should be treated like small children and guns... Stats are way to dangerous to let a moron operate without an adult around.

So bull, you agree then that birth control should be included in health plans?

Everything except the pill.

I'm all for the pill being included for women over the age of 18. Minors shouldn't be allowed to take the pill. CHILDREN should be taught to abstain until they're mature enough to understand the repercussions.

I think each individual organization should have the right to include birth control in their health plans if they choose to. None should be required to include it.

(02-02-2012 09:56 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 06:28 AM)dcCid Wrote:  So bull, you agree then that birth control should be included in health plans?

Everything except the pill.

What's your concern about the pill?

For Cid, I realize that outsiders may not appreciate the differences, but not every Christian accepts the Roman Catholic ban on birth control. We're not all RC, regardless of what the entertainment media would show people. I believe it's a personal decision, and don't criticize anyone's personal preference.

However, I do find the RC (and others regardless of denomination)defense of this position to be lacking in any merit, and incredibly insulting. The people who I've heard champion this position are mostly pompous ******* busybodies who can't seem to understand how to mind their own business. I guess in short, I generally don't like them.

That being said, yes I do understand your feelings toward those who oppose the gay agenda. And yes, I do understand your reaction is "It's the same damn thing!" I doubt I'll change anyones mind w/ this, but I see that they're similar, but not the same. The differences are important, and I've tried to base my perspective on the factual differences, not simply on a Biblical position that many don't give a hoot about anyway.

(02-02-2012 11:15 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 09:56 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 06:28 AM)dcCid Wrote:  So bull, you agree then that birth control should be included in health plans?

Everything except the pill.

What's your concern about the pill?

That being said, yes I do understand your feelings toward those who oppose the gay agenda. And yes, I do understand your reaction is "It's the same damn thing!" I doubt I'll change anyones mind w/ this, but I see that they're similar, but not the same. The differences are important, and I've tried to base my perspective on the factual differences, not simply on a Biblical position that many don't give a hoot about anyway.

I believe human life begins at conception, the Pill does not stop conception. It's really not all that hard to wrap your head around.

Barriers, including things like the vas-clip (or snip if you want it done for good) are fine because you're not ending an active human life.

(02-02-2012 11:31 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  I believe human life begins at conception, the Pill does not stop conception. It's really not all that hard to wrap your head around.

Ok. It wasn't meant to be a challenge, just an inquiry.

(02-02-2012 09:59 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 09:56 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 06:28 AM)dcCid Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 01:00 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 12:39 AM)BigRedBear Wrote:  Looks like the anti-reproductive freedom advocates are directing their efforts in the wrong place.

http://yourlife.usatoday.com/health/stor...52641546/1

Ummm the second paragraph in your article...

Quote:Experts couldn't say whether more liberal laws led to fewer procedures, but said good access to birth control in those countries resulted in fewer unwanted pregnancies.

I swear morons and stats should be treated like small children and guns... Stats are way to dangerous to let a moron operate without an adult around.

So bull, you agree then that birth control should be included in health plans?

Everything except the pill.

I'm all for the pill being included for women over the age of 18. Minors shouldn't be allowed to take the pill. CHILDREN should be taught to abstain until they're mature enough to understand the repercussions.

(02-02-2012 01:55 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 09:59 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 09:56 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 06:28 AM)dcCid Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 01:00 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Ummm the second paragraph in your article...


I swear morons and stats should be treated like small children and guns... Stats are way to dangerous to let a moron operate without an adult around.

So bull, you agree then that birth control should be included in health plans?

Everything except the pill.

I'm all for the pill being included for women over the age of 18. Minors shouldn't be allowed to take the pill. CHILDREN should be taught to abstain until they're mature enough to understand the repercussions.

Please elaborate on which part of that you find funny.

(02-02-2012 01:56 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 01:55 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 09:59 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 09:56 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 06:28 AM)dcCid Wrote:  So bull, you agree then that birth control should be included in health plans?

Everything except the pill.

I'm all for the pill being included for women over the age of 18. Minors shouldn't be allowed to take the pill. CHILDREN should be taught to abstain until they're mature enough to understand the repercussions.

Please elaborate on which part of that you find funny.

Good luck with that.

(02-02-2012 01:56 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 01:55 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 09:59 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 09:56 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 06:28 AM)dcCid Wrote:  So bull, you agree then that birth control should be included in health plans?

Everything except the pill.

I'm all for the pill being included for women over the age of 18. Minors shouldn't be allowed to take the pill. CHILDREN should be taught to abstain until they're mature enough to understand the repercussions.

Please elaborate on which part of that you find funny.

This is a sore subject for Robert because he was never taught to abstain, he just has to by virtue of who he is.

(02-02-2012 01:52 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 11:31 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  I believe human life begins at conception, the Pill does not stop conception. It's really not all that hard to wrap your head around.

Ok. It wasn't meant to be a challenge, just an inquiry.

I know I was prepping for RN's eventual lol post...

(02-02-2012 02:10 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 01:52 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 11:31 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  I believe human life begins at conception, the Pill does not stop conception. It's really not all that hard to wrap your head around.

Ok. It wasn't meant to be a challenge, just an inquiry.

I know I was prepping for RN's eventual lol post...

I knew what you were going to say. I don't agree with your position, however.

Teach them to abstain.. hilarious. Next you'll tell me the DARE program and the war on drugs is stopping kids from using drugs. There's plenty of proof out there already that abstinence programs don't work and have negative results. This isn't really up for debate at this point .. or certainly shouldn't be if you're talking to a reasonable person.

While its nice to think we could, we aren't going to keep teenagers from doing stupid things, the best thing to do is educate them. Provide them with the tools & information they need to keep the damage to a minimum, so when they grow up and start making better decisions, they haven't already ruined their life or someone elses. If your imaginary friend doesn't accept your kid using the pill, I would hope you can at least teach them about condom use.

(02-02-2012 02:42 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Teach them to abstain.. hilarious. Next you'll tell me the DARE program and the war on drugs is stopping kids from using drugs. There's plenty of proof out there already that abstinence programs don't work and have negative results. This isn't really up for debate at this point

So typical. Provide no evidence, but declare the matter settled and not up for debate.

That only works when everyone else is as simple as you. Given your spot at the low end of the curve, that's just not the case.

(02-02-2012 03:01 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 02:42 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Teach them to abstain.. hilarious. Next you'll tell me the DARE program and the war on drugs is stopping kids from using drugs. There's plenty of proof out there already that abstinence programs don't work and have negative results. This isn't really up for debate at this point

So typical. Provide no evidence, but declare the matter settled and not up for debate.

That only works when everyone else is as simple as you. Given your spot at the low end of the curve, that's just not the case.

I'm in mensa (typical liberal elitist, surprising, I know).. other end of the curve, but that's unimportant, I'm not the one who has done the studies, so my credentials don't matter. I didn't provide evidence because its common knowledge, I'm not providing sources to prove the sun comes up every day either...

If you'd really like though, when I get home tonight I could link you to some of the many studies out there. Its a pain to link sources from a mobile device. That being said, I'd be wasting my time and yours. You're an intelligent guy, you already know I'm right, what's the point? You don't actually want to see the studies, you just wanted to ***** for the sake of bitching.

(02-02-2012 11:31 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 11:15 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 09:56 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 06:28 AM)dcCid Wrote:  So bull, you agree then that birth control should be included in health plans?

Everything except the pill.

What's your concern about the pill?

That being said, yes I do understand your feelings toward those who oppose the gay agenda. And yes, I do understand your reaction is "It's the same damn thing!" I doubt I'll change anyones mind w/ this, but I see that they're similar, but not the same. The differences are important, and I've tried to base my perspective on the factual differences, not simply on a Biblical position that many don't give a hoot about anyway.

I believe human life begins at conception, the Pill does not stop conception. It's really not all that hard to wrap your head around.

Barriers, including things like the vas-clip (or snip if you want it done for good) are fine because you're not ending an active human life.

Ummm since when does the pill not stop conception? The pill (both combination and minipill) both prevent conception by either A. preventing ovulation or B. thickening cervical mucous to prevent sperm from reaching egg.

As for the pill only being for women over the age of 18. LOLZ!!!!!one111lollololol What a terrible stupid idea. I honestly think once a girl is of child bearing age she should be on birth control until she is married but that is just because as a young man I do not want to have to deal with an unplanned pregnancy. Also it would cut down on the number of abortions and unplanned teenage pregnancies. Would it increase those having sex? Probably not.

Abstinence only=Britol Palin gettin' knocked up and millions of American teens losing their virginities before graduating high school. If it worked we wouldn't have teen mom.