(11-09-2011 11:18 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: Romney took a big, big step closer to the nomination tonight.
Sadly, I think you're correct. Cain was really bad, Perry was awful. Bachmann has no shot, same goes for Huntsman. That leaves Newt, Paul, and Romney. As much as I love him, Paul isn't going to get the fair shot and push that he deserves. Romney has it locked up and I'll be voting 3rd party for the 2nd straight election.
Forgot about Santorum. That should say it all for his chances.
(This post was last modified: 11-09-2011 11:33 PM by Dak10.)
From one vantage-point, you could say the GOP campaign this year has been the attempt of conservatives to coalesce around a non-Romney candidate. But all the possible non-Romneys either didn't run, haven't been able to generate the $$$, don't "fit" the GOP-base any better than Romney does, or else (in Perry's case) have simply proven themselves to be not-ready-for-primetime.
And now here we are, a mere 8 weeks away from the Iowa caucuses and 9-ish weeks from the New Hampshire primary. It is simply too late for any credible alternatives to emerge. GOP voters will have no choice but to pick one of the people who got up on that stage tonight in Michigan. Does anyone honestly doubt which one of them they're going to select?
(11-09-2011 11:42 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: From one vantage-point, you could say the GOP campaign this year has been the attempt of conservatives to coalesce around a non-Romney candidate. But all the possible non-Romneys either didn't run, haven't been able to generate the $$$, don't "fit" the GOP-base any better than Romney does, or else (in Perry's case) have simply proven themselves to be not-ready-for-primetime.
And now here we are, a mere 8 weeks away from the Iowa caucuses and 9-ish weeks from the New Hampshire primary. It is simply too late for any credible alternatives to emerge. GOP voters will have no choice but to pick one of the people who got up on that stage tonight in Michigan. Does anyone honestly doubt which one of them they're going to select?
If you had to guess, what % of the public that will turn out to vote has actually watched an entire debate? They'll vote for who their television sets tell them to vote for.
Nobody says absolutely nothing as eloquently as that guy. He's a wordsmith with no peer. The thing is, his ideas are probably as spot on as anybody else's at the debate, I don't know why he feels the need to spend half the time complaining about the questions and liberal media.
His answers are as sound as anybody's, just not sure why he spends so much time dancing around. It's like watching a boxer who refuses to go in for the kill even though he could at any time.
(11-09-2011 11:47 PM)Dak10 Wrote: If you had to guess, what % of the public that will turn out to vote has actually watched an entire debate? They'll vote for who their television sets tell them to vote for.
Which voting-public are you referring to? The General Election public in October-November 2012? Definitely less than 5%. Probably less than 3%. Maybe less than 1%.
On the other hand, if you mean the voting-public that will show up and participate in the Iowa caucuses on Janaury 3rd, and in the New Hampshire primaries a week or so later... I think the % goes up to 20-25.
Skimming around different political blogs and websites, there is pretty much unanimous agreement that the Perry brain-freeze tonight was the single-most awkward and politically-damaging moment in ANY televised debate among American presidential (or vice-presidential) nominees or primary-candidates, going back to 1960. The only 2 examples that even come CLOSE are the Gerald Ford comment denying Soviet domination of Eastern Europe, and the "You're-no-JFK" line that Lloyd Bentsen laid on Quayle back in 1988.
(11-09-2011 11:47 PM)Dak10 Wrote: If you had to guess, what % of the public that will turn out to vote has actually watched an entire debate? They'll vote for who their television sets tell them to vote for.
Which voting-public are you referring to? The General Election public in October-November 2012? Definitely less than 5%. Probably less than 3%. Maybe less than 1%.
On the other hand, if you mean the voting-public that will show up and participate in the Iowa caucuses on Janaury 3rd, and in the New Hampshire primaries a week or so later... I think the % goes up to 20-25.
The latter. I agree that it jumps significantly, but it's still a pathetic percentage.
(This post was last modified: 11-10-2011 12:17 AM by Dak10.)
Newt's baggage is carried in steamer trunks. He'll be skewered by the media, the left and the right for his personal decisions.
Makes me wish TPaw was still running. Though Romney's business background is impressive and if I can be convinced that he'll run the US like a well oiled business, I'll live with his more liberal side.
(This post was last modified: 11-10-2011 10:12 AM by Lord Stanley.)
Nobody says absolutely nothing as eloquently as that guy. He's a wordsmith with no peer. The thing is, his ideas are probably as spot on as anybody else's at the debate, I don't know why he feels the need to spend half the time complaining about the questions and liberal media.
His answers are as sound as anybody's, just not sure why he spends so much time dancing around. It's like watching a boxer who refuses to go in for the kill even though he could at any time.
Agree, he really is the smartest guy on that panel. He's also the biggest most arrogant prick on that same panel, and thats how he comes across far too often.
That debate was painful to watch, and I felt real pity for Governor Oops. Barack Obama can come to my house and personally burn it down along with all my possessions and I'd still vote for him before considering any of these clowns. Except Huntsman maybe, but he has no chance because he's too reasonable for the nutjob base.
(11-10-2011 01:06 PM)Max Power Wrote: Goofballs On Parade
That debate was painful to watch, and I felt real pity for Governor Oops. Barack Obama can come to my house and personally burn it down along with all my possessions and I'd still vote for him before considering any of these clowns. Except Huntsman maybe, but he has no chance because he's too reasonable for the nutjob base.
So, what's good about Obama? You've proved that you can make snarky comments about republicans. Now tell us something good about Obama.
(This post was last modified: 11-10-2011 01:22 PM by Owl 69/70/75.)
(11-10-2011 01:06 PM)Max Power Wrote: Goofballs On Parade
That debate was painful to watch, and I felt real pity for Governor Oops. Barack Obama can come to my house and personally burn it down along with all my possessions and I'd still vote for him before considering any of these clowns. Except Huntsman maybe, but he has no chance because he's too reasonable for the nutjob base.
So, what's good about Obama? You've proved that you can make snarky comments about republicans. Now tell us something good about Obama.
He's not a Republican(though, he is closer to one than I would like).
Nobody says absolutely nothing as eloquently as that guy. He's a wordsmith with no peer. The thing is, his ideas are probably as spot on as anybody else's at the debate, I don't know why he feels the need to spend half the time complaining about the questions and liberal media.
His answers are as sound as anybody's, just not sure why he spends so much time dancing around. It's like watching a boxer who refuses to go in for the kill even though he could at any time.
Agree, he really is the smartest guy on that panel. He's also the biggest most arrogant prick on that same panel, and thats how he comes across far too often.
He does it because he's a world class pro at it. Gingrich gets applause after applause from primary audiences when he bashes the media, because they all hate the mainstream media. It's a campaign tactic that distinguishes him in these debates. If nothing else, you'll remember what he said about the media, which is really what he's going for. The next day it will be his comments that get played on the morning show. Not anythin Santorum or Bachman say unless they just pull a Perry. I can't recall anything Huntsman said last night and I watched the whole thing.
If Newt wins the nomination he won't bash the media in a debate cause he won't have to. Everyone that hates the MSM will already be voting for him anyway. Besides the absolute destruction he will heap on Obama in a debate setting will what people remember.
(This post was last modified: 11-10-2011 02:01 PM by Ninerfan1.)
