If WVU leaves in 2012....then yes the Big East AQ status would be in danger.

IMO there won't be such thing as AQ in 3 years. It will probably be setup the way it should have been (besides a playoff). "BCS" bowls will probably be straight up matchup of the top 10 to 12 teams. 1 & 2 play for NC.

(11-04-2011 06:33 AM)AnnapolisPirate Wrote:  

(11-04-2011 05:53 AM)NutmegStateofMind Wrote:  A hard time developing rivalries? You mean like UH/SMU, Boise/BYU, UL/UC, AFA/USNA, UConn/RU, USF/UCF?

LOL - that only means those schools may wish to stick together, not together in the Big East. As someone who has watched a team in a spread out conference, I know the difficulties it brings, and consequent lack of loyalty. You missed the overall point. The trouble is with more with SMU and UCONN, not SMU and Houston. Look at the SEC, ACC, Big 10. There is great interest in MOST conf games. But don't worry, the underwhelming fan interest of the matchups will ensure that you can get a good walk up ticket on game day at may of these stadiums. The present facts bear that out.

This isn't an issue for CUSA teams - because they are already used to it. and dunno that BYU will answer your call, so its best not to count the wives before the wedding days, so to speak. If they gave the B12 the cold shoulder, I doubt that they'll change their tune now. So take my words at face value and tell me what you think when your team is travelling around the country on game days. UCONN wouldn't support their team in a BCS bowl in AZ after all, what makes you think you'll be up for a trip to Colorado Springs in November?

Final parting shot, UCONN has been begging to go to the ACC - you think that will change now? The conf model is unstable. You'll see...

Wow, way to compare conferences that have been around for 50+ years to a brand new one, yeah thats totally realistic. Im everyone in the ACC can't wait for the BC/NC St game, or the GT/Cuse game. Im sure the whole conference is excited for the WF/UVA game. See I can play that game too, it's called selective memory.

BYU wont answer our call? Wow, I remember people saying the same about Boise St. when their name first came up. How is that going?

Why do you think it takes opposing fans to fill up stadiums? How many ASU fans travel to their games @ UW? How many BC fans travel to their games @ GT? Once again selective memory.

UConn wants out of the Big East? How about everyone in the Big XII is still looking over their shoulders at the Pac-12, B1G and SEC. And don't get me started about the non-AQ's. Their are four out of the eleven conferences that don't have teams looking to leave for greener pastures.

BYU didn't give the Big XII the cold shoulder. Their TV partners told them more money was in inviting WVU. Also playing on Sundays was an issue for them because they were being added as an all sports. In the Big East they would be added as FB only and guess what? CFB isn't played on Sundays so their is no issue there.

(11-04-2011 09:46 AM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  IMO there won't be such thing as AQ in 3 years. It will probably be setup the way it should have been (besides a playoff). "BCS" bowls will probably be straight up matchup of the top 10 to 12 teams. 1 & 2 play for NC.

Not so sure about that with the # of conference championship games. It's quite possible to have a team ranked 20th playing for a conference title, one upset later and a conference champion that's ranked 14th is *not* going to a BCS bowl?

(11-04-2011 08:01 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-04-2011 07:20 AM)NutmegStateofMind Wrote:  

(11-04-2011 06:33 AM)AnnapolisPirate Wrote:  

(11-04-2011 05:53 AM)NutmegStateofMind Wrote:  A hard time developing rivalries? You mean like UH/SMU, Boise/BYU, UL/UC, AFA/USNA, UConn/RU, USF/UCF?

LOL - that only means those schools may wish to stick together, not together in the Big East. As someone who has watched a team in a spread out conference, I know the difficulties it brings, and consequent lack of loyalty. You missed the overall point. The trouble is with more with SMU and UCONN, not SMU and Houston. Look at the SEC, ACC, Big 10. There is great interest in MOST conf games. But don't worry, the underwhelming fan interest of the matchups will ensure that you can get a good walk up ticket on game day at may of these stadiums. The present facts bear that out.

This isn't an issue for CUSA teams - because they are already used to it. and dunno that BYU will answer your call, so its best not to count the wives before the wedding days, so to speak. If they gave the B12 the cold shoulder, I doubt that they'll change their tune now. So take my words at face value and tell me what you think when your team is travelling around the country on game days. UCONN wouldn't support their team in a BCS bowl in AZ after all, what makes you think you'll be up for a trip to Colorado Springs in November?

Final parting shot, UCONN has been begging to go to the ACC - you think that will change now? The conf model is unstable. You'll see...

You do understand that there is going to be an east and a west, correct?

Doesn't change his point. Also there are going to be crossover games, unless you are planning to add to a point where you don't need to play them. There will be years you have to make 2 trips west, and sure it sounds easy but it's tough on the team, fans, and makes it nearly impossible to get any sort of real connection or rivalry with the teams. The newness will make it exciting at first, but after a while when you're going out to Air Force on a Friday night, or Boise on a Wednesday you will start to think to yourself "why are we playing these teams, we have nothing in common with them and no conenction with them at all." Also whatever current BE team gets stuck in the west is not going to be very happy about it at all.

Yes, im sure a linebacker or fullback flying out to a game will be thinking "Why are we playing these team? We have nothing in common with them...we don't live the same geographic region!"

Look at how far UW and UA are apart, Nebraska and PSU, BC and Miami, WVU and Tech. These teams don;t care and after a while neither do their fan-bases. Not a lot of fans travel to every single away game. Also even if that is the case its only 2 trips tops. Wow, you dont get to go to 2 FB games? You mean you'll have to settle for going to 10+ a bowl game? Awww schucks. That sounds like some real issues someone has to deal with. Guess what? If you can travel to away games on a thurs or weds you dont have to worry about how much its going to cost in travel.

(11-04-2011 09:18 AM)forphase1 Wrote:  It is in danger. Did either CUSA or MWC have a AQ bid before? The answer is clearly no. Did CUSA have an AQ when Louisville, Cincy and USF were there? Answer again is no. So you take non-AQ teams from CUSA (old and new) and MWC, mix in a bit of Rutgers and UConn, and you've got an AQ worthy league? I don't think so. The Big East will have it's AQ for 2 more years until the contract runs out. After that it will have the same path to get into the BCS games as CUSA/MWC/MAC/Sunbelt/WAC has. It will no longer be an AQ conference. JMO.

Dude the BCS AQ is based on four year periods. UofL, Cincy and USF were added like 6 years ago. Look at Cincy's numbers alone since they joined the Big East? #3 in the final BCS polls in 2009? Yeah BCS money can help a team grow quickly. The numbers are there. The MWC and CUSA don't have an AQ status because the bottom is too heavy. Get a clue dude.

(11-04-2011 09:57 AM)bronconick Wrote:  

(11-04-2011 09:46 AM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  IMO there won't be such thing as AQ in 3 years. It will probably be setup the way it should have been (besides a playoff). "BCS" bowls will probably be straight up matchup of the top 10 to 12 teams. 1 & 2 play for NC.

Not so sure about that with the # of conference championship games. It's quite possible to have a team ranked 20th playing for a conference title, one upset later and a conference champion that's ranked 14th is *not* going to a BCS bowl?

Your skepticism is on the mark here. If current #20 Wisconsin wins the Big Ten championship game (a very good possibility), you're not seeing the Big Ten give up its Rose Bowl slot to some random top 10 school. There's no way the AQ conferences will allow for that type of system and, just as importantly, that's not what the bowls want, either. The BCS bowls aren't asking for top 10 teams. That's very clear by their history of at-large selections, where they very rarely just take the highest ranked at-large choices. Instead, it's almost the opposite - they'd rather be able to expand the at-large pool beyond the top 14 in order to grab 3rd SEC and Big Ten teams regularly.

(11-04-2011 10:02 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(11-04-2011 08:01 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-04-2011 07:20 AM)NutmegStateofMind Wrote:  

(11-04-2011 06:33 AM)AnnapolisPirate Wrote:  

(11-04-2011 05:53 AM)NutmegStateofMind Wrote:  A hard time developing rivalries? You mean like UH/SMU, Boise/BYU, UL/UC, AFA/USNA, UConn/RU, USF/UCF?

LOL - that only means those schools may wish to stick together, not together in the Big East. As someone who has watched a team in a spread out conference, I know the difficulties it brings, and consequent lack of loyalty. You missed the overall point. The trouble is with more with SMU and UCONN, not SMU and Houston. Look at the SEC, ACC, Big 10. There is great interest in MOST conf games. But don't worry, the underwhelming fan interest of the matchups will ensure that you can get a good walk up ticket on game day at may of these stadiums. The present facts bear that out.

This isn't an issue for CUSA teams - because they are already used to it. and dunno that BYU will answer your call, so its best not to count the wives before the wedding days, so to speak. If they gave the B12 the cold shoulder, I doubt that they'll change their tune now. So take my words at face value and tell me what you think when your team is travelling around the country on game days. UCONN wouldn't support their team in a BCS bowl in AZ after all, what makes you think you'll be up for a trip to Colorado Springs in November?

Final parting shot, UCONN has been begging to go to the ACC - you think that will change now? The conf model is unstable. You'll see...

You do understand that there is going to be an east and a west, correct?

Doesn't change his point. Also there are going to be crossover games, unless you are planning to add to a point where you don't need to play them. There will be years you have to make 2 trips west, and sure it sounds easy but it's tough on the team, fans, and makes it nearly impossible to get any sort of real connection or rivalry with the teams. The newness will make it exciting at first, but after a while when you're going out to Air Force on a Friday night, or Boise on a Wednesday you will start to think to yourself "why are we playing these teams, we have nothing in common with them and no conenction with them at all." Also whatever current BE team gets stuck in the west is not going to be very happy about it at all.

Yes, im sure a linebacker or fullback flying out to a game will be thinking "Why are we playing these team? We have nothing in common with them...we don't live the same geographic region!"

Look at how far UW and UA are apart, Nebraska and PSU, BC and Miami, WVU and Tech. These teams don;t care and after a while neither do their fan-bases. Not a lot of fans travel to every single away game. Also even if that is the case its only 2 trips tops. Wow, you dont get to go to 2 FB games? You mean you'll have to settle for going to 10+ a bowl game? Awww schucks. That sounds like some real issues someone has to deal with. Guess what? If you can travel to away games on a thurs or weds you dont have to worry about how much its going to cost in travel.

That's fine you don't have to believe me. Not to mention all those examples you mentioned are probably half the distance of UCONN to Boise. If you think being in a conference with members that you have zero in common with, no history, and no real common ground with is easy that's fine. Believe what you want to believe.

(11-04-2011 10:10 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Not to mention all those examples you mentioned are probably half the distance of UCONN to Boise.

They will play each other twice every 6 years!!! Meaning each team will have to travel that distance ONCE every 6 years.

Let it go!

(11-04-2011 09:57 AM)bronconick Wrote:  

(11-04-2011 09:46 AM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  IMO there won't be such thing as AQ in 3 years. It will probably be setup the way it should have been (besides a playoff). "BCS" bowls will probably be straight up matchup of the top 10 to 12 teams. 1 & 2 play for NC.

Not so sure about that with the # of conference championship games. It's quite possible to have a team ranked 20th playing for a conference title, one upset later and a conference champion that's ranked 14th is *not* going to a BCS bowl?

You also have the problem dealing with publicity. These votes and rankings done by humans are just popularity contests. The writers and coaches look at the brand name and not the performances of all the teams playing. Just as a hypothetical say OU is 11-1 and Boise is 11-1, but Boise actually has the tougher SOS and lost to a better team than OU did. Most writers/coaches will put OU AHEAD of Boise just because of the name. Rankings the way they are done now are not at all accurate.

(11-04-2011 10:12 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(11-04-2011 10:10 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Not to mention all those examples you mentioned are probably half the distance of UCONN to Boise.

They will play each other twice every 6 years!!! Meaning each team will have to travel that distance ONCE every 6 years.

Let it go!

I am only speaking from personal experience, and we only have to travel out to Texas for our long games. Also you are going to play crossover games every year unless the BE is planning on going to 16 teams. At 12 some years you will have 2 home crossovers and 2 road crossovers. I just picked UCONN as an example. USF and UCF to Boise/Air Force is not an easy trip on a team. You wouldn't really understand this as much because you guys are pretty close to the geographic center of C-USA, but if you're on the outer edges of a conference that spread out it's an issue. Feel free to believe it isn't if you want to. Obviously it's not one that will stop this league from happening, but it's going to be an unintended long term consequence.

(11-04-2011 10:10 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-04-2011 10:02 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(11-04-2011 08:01 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-04-2011 07:20 AM)NutmegStateofMind Wrote:  

(11-04-2011 06:33 AM)AnnapolisPirate Wrote:  LOL - that only means those schools may wish to stick together, not together in the Big East. As someone who has watched a team in a spread out conference, I know the difficulties it brings, and consequent lack of loyalty. You missed the overall point. The trouble is with more with SMU and UCONN, not SMU and Houston. Look at the SEC, ACC, Big 10. There is great interest in MOST conf games. But don't worry, the underwhelming fan interest of the matchups will ensure that you can get a good walk up ticket on game day at may of these stadiums. The present facts bear that out.

This isn't an issue for CUSA teams - because they are already used to it. and dunno that BYU will answer your call, so its best not to count the wives before the wedding days, so to speak. If they gave the B12 the cold shoulder, I doubt that they'll change their tune now. So take my words at face value and tell me what you think when your team is travelling around the country on game days. UCONN wouldn't support their team in a BCS bowl in AZ after all, what makes you think you'll be up for a trip to Colorado Springs in November?

Final parting shot, UCONN has been begging to go to the ACC - you think that will change now? The conf model is unstable. You'll see...

You do understand that there is going to be an east and a west, correct?

Doesn't change his point. Also there are going to be crossover games, unless you are planning to add to a point where you don't need to play them. There will be years you have to make 2 trips west, and sure it sounds easy but it's tough on the team, fans, and makes it nearly impossible to get any sort of real connection or rivalry with the teams. The newness will make it exciting at first, but after a while when you're going out to Air Force on a Friday night, or Boise on a Wednesday you will start to think to yourself "why are we playing these teams, we have nothing in common with them and no conenction with them at all." Also whatever current BE team gets stuck in the west is not going to be very happy about it at all.

Yes, im sure a linebacker or fullback flying out to a game will be thinking "Why are we playing these team? We have nothing in common with them...we don't live the same geographic region!"

Look at how far UW and UA are apart, Nebraska and PSU, BC and Miami, WVU and Tech. These teams don;t care and after a while neither do their fan-bases. Not a lot of fans travel to every single away game. Also even if that is the case its only 2 trips tops. Wow, you dont get to go to 2 FB games? You mean you'll have to settle for going to 10+ a bowl game? Awww schucks. That sounds like some real issues someone has to deal with. Guess what? If you can travel to away games on a thurs or weds you dont have to worry about how much its going to cost in travel.

That's fine you don't have to believe me. Not to mention all those examples you mentioned are probably half the distance of UCONN to Boise. If you think being in a conference with members that you have zero in common with, no history, and no real common ground with is easy that's fine. Believe what you want to believe.

Dude, the Big East could bring in ECU, Southern Miss and temple and they would still have no history with UConn!!! When you add members from any part of the country you have zero history, you have to buold that. You can;t compare old conferences with new conferences in that way. You have to let those things develop. These kids playing have a lot in common. Kids travel all over the country to play for FB teams. Kids in TX go to Oregon, kids in FL go play in Jersey, kids in CA go play in Colorado. Why do you think that it would matter that they dont play teams they are in the same geographic region as the school is in? The travel for the Western division isnt any different than the current or past MWC.

You can believe that these kids or schools or fans give a flying frogs @$$ about history or common ground, but the truth is they are excited to be writing new history and forming common ground. If you followed this at all you would know that Houston, Boise, SMU and UCF have all worked together to get this deal done and all want to come in at the same time. They have been working in concert to make this happen. To me that sounds like something in common and building relationships.

(11-04-2011 10:18 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-04-2011 10:12 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(11-04-2011 10:10 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Not to mention all those examples you mentioned are probably half the distance of UCONN to Boise.

They will play each other twice every 6 years!!! Meaning each team will have to travel that distance ONCE every 6 years.

Let it go!

I am only speaking from personal experience, and we only have to travel out to Texas for our long games. Also you are going to play crossover games every year unless the BE is planning on going to 16 teams. At 12 some years you will have 2 home crossovers and 2 road crossovers. I just picked UCONN as an example. USF and UCF to Boise/Air Force is not an easy trip on a team. You wouldn't really understand this as much because you guys are pretty close to the geographic center of C-USA, but if you're on the outer edges of a conference that spread out it's an issue. Feel free to believe it isn't if you want to. Obviously it's not one that will stop this league from happening, but it's going to be an unintended long term consequence.

Im sure it wouldn't be that big of a deal if the Pirates were the rumored 12th team.

(11-04-2011 10:27 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(11-04-2011 10:18 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-04-2011 10:12 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(11-04-2011 10:10 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Not to mention all those examples you mentioned are probably half the distance of UCONN to Boise.

They will play each other twice every 6 years!!! Meaning each team will have to travel that distance ONCE every 6 years.

Let it go!

I am only speaking from personal experience, and we only have to travel out to Texas for our long games. Also you are going to play crossover games every year unless the BE is planning on going to 16 teams. At 12 some years you will have 2 home crossovers and 2 road crossovers. I just picked UCONN as an example. USF and UCF to Boise/Air Force is not an easy trip on a team. You wouldn't really understand this as much because you guys are pretty close to the geographic center of C-USA, but if you're on the outer edges of a conference that spread out it's an issue. Feel free to believe it isn't if you want to. Obviously it's not one that will stop this league from happening, but it's going to be an unintended long term consequence.

Im sure it wouldn't be that big of a deal if the Pirates were the rumored 12th team.

It would be a big deal still yes, not enough of one for us to turn down an invite, but a big deal none the less. You don't have to believe what I am saying. What would ECU fans know about trying to build history and rivalries with teams half way across the country?

Travel is not a big issue today. With the revenue that the BE can generate for BSU...they will be able to handle the additional costs without any problem.

I agree that these leagues being spread out all over hell half acre are lousy for rivalries..but..it is a trade off that is worth it.

UCONN basketball always does well when it has to travel west for the NCAA tourney. If they can do it, why can't the football team?

Bigger plane - problem solved.

National conference idea is growing on me. Would be even better if BYU came on board.

(11-04-2011 10:39 AM)mavblues Wrote:  UCONN basketball always does well when it has to travel west for the NCAA tourney. If they can do it, why can't the football team?

Bigger plane - problem solved.

National conference idea is growing on me. Would be even better if BYU came on board.

Exactly! Boise, BYU, Houston, SMU, Air Force and Louisville! Thats a killer division. Plus the conference would be adding some prime TV markets in Dallas, Houston and SLC.

(11-04-2011 10:18 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  At 12 some years you will have 2 home crossovers and 2 road crossovers.

12 team leagues have 3 cross divisional games each year rotating home/away among the other 6 teams in the conference.

For example Houston is playing/played ECU, Marshall, and UAB from the East this year in addition to our 5 in division games. We played Memphis, UCF, and USM in 2010 and 2009. We played ECU, Marshall, and UAB in 2008.... And so on for a total of 8 in conference games.

There will not be 4 cross divisional games played.

(11-04-2011 10:46 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(11-04-2011 10:18 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  At 12 some years you will have 2 home crossovers and 2 road crossovers.

12 team leagues have 3 cross divisional games each year rotating home/away among the other 6 teams in the conference.

For example Houston is playing/played ECU, Marshall, and UAB from the East this year in addition to our 5 in division games. For a total of 8 in conference games.

There will not be 4 cross divisional games played.

I guess I didn't make that as clear as I should have. What I was trying to say is every year you are going to have 3 cross divisional games, with some years you having 2 of them at home and some years having 2 of them on the road. Sorry for the confusion.

(11-04-2011 10:53 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I guess I didn't make that as clear as I should have. What I was trying to say is every year you are going to have 3 cross divisional games, with some years you having 2 of them at home and some years having 2 of them on the road. Sorry for the confusion.

Point taken and as it turns out is would be twice every 4 years now that I look at it but either way they only have to travel to each school once every 4 years.

Yes some years there might be more road games in the other division but then you would get more home games in other years.

Basically still the same point. Using your example Boise goes to UConn once every 4 years and UConn comes to Boise once every 4 years.