(08-14-2011 04:33 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  I thought when this all started again that this was all smoke and the Aggies were working to better their position in the Big 12. Looks like that was the case. The NCAA came down against HS games on the LHN and rumors are that the Big 12 is loking at the LHN deal again.

I'll never understand why we don't just consult with you about these matters, instead of putting ourselves through all of this mess.

(08-14-2011 06:15 PM)BMarkey Wrote:  Yahoo Sports Radio is saying that if TAMU asks to be part of the SEC tomorrow, it might still be invited in. But it has to ask first. 'Same for FSU.

I think this is a warning shot from TAMU to UT over the UT Network. It is my understanding that UT gets the lions share of the monies generated by the conference TV package. This is what encouraged Nebraska and Colorado to jump ship. With UT's network money added, TAMU can not even attempt to keep up. However, jumping to the SEC puts TAMU in a Bigger Spotlight than playing 3rd or 4th fiddle in the Big 12. The question is Missouri. I think the SEC might go for Southern Missisippi instead.

SEC West

Alabama
Arkansas
Auburn
Louisiana State
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Southern Mississippi
Texas A&M


East

Clemson
Georgia
Florida
Florida State
Kentucky
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

It is a win win for both the SEC and TAMU, FSU or Clemson.

All three schools lose nothing in Basketball or Baseball by going to the SEC. Plus they pick up Gymnastics to help with Title IV considerations.

1. FSU does not lose the Florida or Miami game.

2. Clemson does not lose the South Carolina and picks up a yearly clash with Georgia.

3. TAMU will not lose the UT game picks up a two for one with the Arkansas and LSU games while losing Oklahoma. Plus they get Alabama, Auburn every year and Florida or Tennessee very four years.

If Texas A&M ask the be in the SEC, then I see FSU and Clemson doing the same.

So lets shuffle the deck.

If FSU and Clemson go to the SEC then look for the ACC to pick up East Carolina and Richmond. Making it 4 private and 8 publc schools.

North

Boston College
Duke
Maryland
Richmond
Virginia
Virginia Tech


South

East Carolina
Georgia Tech
Miami
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Wake Forest


The Big East will work around Notre Dame for football and then take UCF and UMASS along with Army and Navy.

North

Connecticut
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
Syracuse
Massachussetts
Villanova

South

Army
Cincinnati
Central Florida
Louisville
Navy
West Virginia

The Big 12 will have to add BYU, Houston, SMU, Rice and Tulsa.

The Big 14

North

BYU
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Tulsa

South

Baylor
Houston
Missouri
Rice
Southern Methodist
Texas
Texas Tech

Conf USA and the SBC would probably merge with the addition of Georgia State and UNCC.

SBC -16

East

Alabama Birmingham
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Georgia State
Marshall
North Carolina Charlotte
South Alabama
Troy


West

Arkansas State
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe (replaced by Kennesaw State)
Memphis
Middle Tennessee
North Texas
Tulane
Western Kentucky

[i]Note: Contingent on ULM commitment to upgrade its facilities and boost enrollment and alumni support.


UTEP will probably go to the MWC along with San Jose State, New Mexico State and UTSA.

MWC

East

Air Force
Boise State
Colorado State
New Mexico
UTEP
UTSA
Wyoming

West

Fresno State
Hawaii
Nevada
Nevada Las Vegas
New Mexico State
San Diego State
San Jose State



The question is wether the MWC also invites LA Tech. Tech does not have much to offer.

Introducing Southern Athlectic Conference

East

Appalachian State
Georgia Southern
Jackson State
Florida A&M
Kennesaw State
Valdosta State

West

Central Arkansas
Jacksonville State
Lamar
Louisiana Tech
Southern University
Texas State

with room for North Florida and Florida Gulf Coast in the future.

(08-14-2011 08:45 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(08-14-2011 06:15 PM)BMarkey Wrote:  Yahoo Sports Radio is saying that if TAMU asks to be part of the SEC tomorrow, it might still be invited in. But it has to ask first. 'Same for FSU.

I think this is a warning shot from TAMU to UT over the UT Network. It is my understanding that UT gets the lions share of the monies generated by the conference TV package. This is what encouraged Nebraska and Colorado to jump ship. With UT's network money added, TAMU can not even attempt to keep up. However, jumping to the SEC puts TAMU in a Bigger Spotlight than playing 3rd or 4th fiddle in the Big 12. The question is Missouri. I think the SEC might go for Southern Missisippi instead.

SEC West

Alabama
Arkansas
Auburn
Louisiana State
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Southern Mississippi
Texas A&M


East

Clemson
Georgia
Florida
Florida State
Kentucky
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

It is a win win for both the SEC and TAMU, FSU or Clemson.

All three schools lose nothing in Basketball or Baseball by going to the SEC. Plus they pick up Gymnastics to help with Title IV considerations.

1. FSU does not lose the Florida or Miami game.

2. Clemson does not lose the South Carolina and picks up a yearly clash with Georgia.

3. TAMU will not lose the UT game picks up a two for one with the Arkansas and LSU games while losing Oklahoma. Plus they get Alabama, Auburn every year and Florida or Tennessee very four years.

If Texas A&M ask the be in the SEC, then I see FSU and Clemson doing the same.

So lets shuffle the deck.

If FSU and Clemson go to the SEC then look for the ACC to pick up East Carolina and Richmond. Making it 4 private and 8 publc schools.

North

Boston College
Duke
Maryland
Richmond
Virginia
Virginia Tech


South

East Carolina
Georgia Tech
Miami
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Wake Forest


The Big East will work around Notre Dame for football and then take UCF and UMASS along with Army and Navy.

North

Connecticut
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
Syracuse
Massachussetts
Villanova

South

Army
Cincinnati
Central Florida
Louisville
Navy
West Virginia

The Big 12 will have to add BYU, Houston, SMU, Rice and Tulsa.

The Big 14

North

BYU
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Tulsa

South

Baylor
Houston
Missouri
Rice
Southern Methodist
Texas
Texas Tech

Conf USA and the SBC would probably merge with the addition of Georgia State and UNCC.

SBC -16

East

Alabama Birmingham
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Georgia State
Marshall
North Carolina Charlotte
South Alabama
Troy


West

Arkansas State
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe (replaced by Kennesaw State)
Memphis
Middle Tennessee
North Texas
Tulane
Western Kentucky

[i]Note: Contingent on ULM commitment to upgrade its facilities and boost enrollment and alumni support.


UTEP will probably go to the MWC along with San Jose State, New Mexico State and UTSA.

MWC

East

Air Force
Boise State
Colorado State
New Mexico
UTEP
UTSA
Wyoming

West

Fresno State
Hawaii
Nevada
Nevada Las Vegas
New Mexico State
San Diego State
San Jose State



The question is wether the MWC also invites LA Tech. Tech does not have much to offer.

Introducing Southern Athlectic Conference

East

Appalachian State
Georgia Southern
Jackson State
Florida A&M
Kennesaw State
Valdosta State

West

Central Arkansas
Jacksonville State
Lamar
Louisiana Tech
Southern University
Texas State

with room for North Florida and Florida Gulf Coast in the future.

This whole scenario fell apart as soon as you put Southern Miss in the SEC. No way Mississippi State and Ole Miss let this happen. LSU will probably vote against it also.

(08-14-2011 08:52 PM)dchi72 Wrote:  

(08-14-2011 08:45 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(08-14-2011 06:15 PM)BMarkey Wrote:  Yahoo Sports Radio is saying that if TAMU asks to be part of the SEC tomorrow, it might still be invited in. But it has to ask first. 'Same for FSU.

I think this is a warning shot from TAMU to UT over the UT Network. It is my understanding that UT gets the lions share of the monies generated by the conference TV package. This is what encouraged Nebraska and Colorado to jump ship. With UT's network money added, TAMU can not even attempt to keep up. However, jumping to the SEC puts TAMU in a Bigger Spotlight than playing 3rd or 4th fiddle in the Big 12. The question is Missouri. I think the SEC might go for Southern Missisippi instead.

SEC West

Alabama
Arkansas
Auburn
Louisiana State
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Southern Mississippi
Texas A&M


East

Clemson
Georgia
Florida
Florida State
Kentucky
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

It is a win win for both the SEC and TAMU, FSU or Clemson.

All three schools lose nothing in Basketball or Baseball by going to the SEC. Plus they pick up Gymnastics to help with Title IV considerations.

1. FSU does not lose the Florida or Miami game.

2. Clemson does not lose the South Carolina and picks up a yearly clash with Georgia.

3. TAMU will not lose the UT game picks up a two for one with the Arkansas and LSU games while losing Oklahoma. Plus they get Alabama, Auburn every year and Florida or Tennessee very four years.

If Texas A&M ask the be in the SEC, then I see FSU and Clemson doing the same.

So lets shuffle the deck.

If FSU and Clemson go to the SEC then look for the ACC to pick up East Carolina and Richmond. Making it 4 private and 8 publc schools.

North

Boston College
Duke
Maryland
Richmond
Virginia
Virginia Tech


South

East Carolina
Georgia Tech
Miami
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Wake Forest


The Big East will work around Notre Dame for football and then take UCF and UMASS along with Army and Navy.

North

Connecticut
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
Syracuse
Massachussetts
Villanova

South

Army
Cincinnati
Central Florida
Louisville
Navy
West Virginia

The Big 12 will have to add BYU, Houston, SMU, Rice and Tulsa.

The Big 14

North

BYU
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Tulsa

South

Baylor
Houston
Missouri
Rice
Southern Methodist
Texas
Texas Tech

Conf USA and the SBC would probably merge with the addition of Georgia State and UNCC.

SBC -16

East

Alabama Birmingham
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Georgia State
Marshall
North Carolina Charlotte
South Alabama
Troy


West

Arkansas State
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe (replaced by Kennesaw State)
Memphis
Middle Tennessee
North Texas
Tulane
Western Kentucky

[i]Note: Contingent on ULM commitment to upgrade its facilities and boost enrollment and alumni support.


UTEP will probably go to the MWC along with San Jose State, New Mexico State and UTSA.

MWC

East

Air Force
Boise State
Colorado State
New Mexico
UTEP
UTSA
Wyoming

West

Fresno State
Hawaii
Nevada
Nevada Las Vegas
New Mexico State
San Diego State
San Jose State



The question is wether the MWC also invites LA Tech. Tech does not have much to offer.

Introducing Southern Athlectic Conference

East

Appalachian State
Georgia Southern
Jackson State
Florida A&M
Kennesaw State
Valdosta State

West

Central Arkansas
Jacksonville State
Lamar
Louisiana Tech
Southern University
Texas State

with room for North Florida and Florida Gulf Coast in the future.

This whole scenario fell apart as soon as you put Southern Miss in the SEC. No way Mississippi State and Ole Miss let this happen. LSU will probably vote against it also.

Just playing devils advocate. Why would Missouri give up games against Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State and Iowa State not to mention future scheduling opportunities with Nebraska?

I agree with dchi... you lost me at USM in the SEC. I didn't even bother reading the rest.

(08-14-2011 07:50 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(08-14-2011 04:33 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  I thought when this all started again that this was all smoke and the Aggies were working to better their position in the Big 12. Looks like that was the case. The NCAA came down against HS games on the LHN and rumors are that the Big 12 is loking at the LHN deal again.

I'll never understand why we don't just consult with you about these matters, instead of putting ourselves through all of this mess.

I think I've advised you in the past that you should do that when it comes to just about everything, not just this mess.

They might still go but it's a move that does nothing for the Ags or the SEC.

(08-14-2011 09:09 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  I agree with dchi... you lost me at USM in the SEC. I didn't even bother reading the rest.

Why?

This would mean more revenue for the state of Mississippi.

Southern Mississippi

Enrollment: 16,000
Colors: Black and Gold
Distance from LSU: 168 miles
Distance toTuscaloosa, Alabama: 180 miles


Missouri

Enrollment: 32,000
Colors: Black and Gold
Distance from LSU: 744 miles
Distance toTuscaloosa, Alabama: 620 miles

You have to remember travel cost for non football sports.

This would bring another six big football games into the State of Mississippi.

Example: USM versus

Mississippi every year
Mississippi State every year

LSU - every other year
Arkansas - every other year
Alabama - every other year
Arkansas - every other year
Auburn - every other year
SEC East - every year (Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, South Carolina, Kentucky, Vanderbilt)

Why would the state of Mississippi turn down that type of revenue every year.

Plus, USM's enrollment is just less than both UM and MSU.

UM - 19,536
MSU - 19,644
USM - 16,050

They are all practically the same size. So why would the SEC invite Missouri over Southern Mississippi when everything else other than enrollment size favors USM? Please explain your reasoning.

Sorry SOUTH Alabama, the SEC isn't going to let in SOUTHERN Mississippi.

As crappy as it is, it's as simple as that in my book.

(08-14-2011 09:42 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(08-14-2011 09:09 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  I agree with dchi... you lost me at USM in the SEC. I didn't even bother reading the rest.

Why?

It's Southern Miss! There is a huge difference between Southern Miss and an Oklahoma or Texas A&M or Missouri. Secondly, media is driving this re-alignment, and there are like 12 people that live in Hattiesburg that don't attend USM. (Yes I'm exaggerating but you get my point).

Sorry, USM would be like 25th - 30th choice for the SEC, behind teams like Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Clemson, Missouri, Florida State, North Carolina, Virgina Tech, West Virginia, Oklahoma State, and North Carolina State just to name ten.

(08-14-2011 09:09 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  I agree with dchi... you lost me at USM in the SEC. I didn't even bother reading the rest.

I did the exact same thing. Southern Mississippi in the SEC? I think that's even too crazy for Bleacher Report.

If the SEC were going to invite someone that is not currently in an AQ league, it would probably be East Carolina and let me just go ahead and get this out of the way, East Carolina has no shot, but compared to Southern Miss, East Carolina would be a slam dunk, home run, and any other thing you can think of. They have almost double the enrollment, almost double the average football attendance, and most importantly, they're in a state no currently occupied by a SEC school.

Having said that, they would never even get to the point that they were even talking about inviting Southern Miss.

You've said some crazy things on this forum, but this one takes the cake by a mile and a half. I'm not really sure what's crazier, the fact that you suggested it in the first place, or the fact that you seem confused by everyone telling you what a ridiculous idea it was.

Southern Miss in the SEC...

Uh Yeah...Southern Miss to the SEC aint happenin...

(08-14-2011 08:57 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  Just playing devils advocate. Why would Missouri give up games against Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State and Iowa State not to mention future scheduling opportunities with Nebraska?

It's a proactive move on their part. The Big 12 has a very high likelihood of it's premier programs leaving if A&M departs for the SEC.

Several have been flirting with the Pac 12 since last year. The Big Ten should be the logical destination for Missouri, but the Big Ten seems uninterested in Missouri and grabbing Texas instead.

This is very similar to last year when Texas, A&M, Oklahoma, OSU, Texas Tech and Baylor were planning the jump to the then Pac Ten. Colorado was bypassed by the Pac Ten and was to be left out in the cold. Colorado contacted and joined the Pac Ten immediately when those six schools decided to stay in the Big 12.

Missouri is very aware of the situation and will immediately jump to either the Big Ten or the SEC if a spot is offered.

Remember, the core problem that Nebraska, Missouri, and TAMU have is they didn't/don't like the unbalanced sharing of revenue and how it enriches Texas.

Now also remember that the schools who most resent that system are also schools who have benefitted from it. Nebraska, Mizzou and TAMU have received much more in Big 12 revenue than they would have received if the Big 12 were a share and share alike conference.

At least some of them had to have voted for it in order for it to be adopted.

I keep hearing this line about how Texas controls the Big XII but based on years of reports out of Nebraska the typical Big XII vote was 11-1. I've no idea how Nebraska voted on revenue sharing but I never saw any reports that they gave their excess share to the poorer schools. The people who seemingly hate Texas and are burdened by the yoke of UT oppression voted with Texas and handed them all the power they bemoan.

(08-14-2011 11:33 PM)BlueRaiderFan. Wrote:  Uh Yeah...Southern Miss to the SEC aint happenin...

I think you have a bias against USM. Let’s look at the facts.

Last year USM played South Carolina in its opener. Lost 41 – 13.

They also beat UCF who beat Georgia in the bowl game.

In addition, USM has a home and home series with Nebraska starting next year, 2012 and 2013.

Also in 2013, USM starts a home and home series with Mississippi State in a home and home series. Then USM plays at LSU in 2015 and goes to Tennessee in 2016.

I don’t think the SEC has a problem with USM.

How many SEC schools does MTSU have on the future schedule?

So what happened? The Texas Legislature...that's what happened. Even the all powerful SEC must yield the right of way to them.

Does the SEC really want Tx A&M? Sure, but what they really want is a foothold in Texas. The SEC owns the SE so where could they go to make a real impact in market share? TEXAS! Tx A&M hates being pushed around and over-shadowed by UT. So a move to the SEC would be a win-win for both institutions.

UT then saw its world crumbling around its head and ran to the Legislature within the Texas Board of Education to stop it. Which they did; but if they didn't step in, this deal would have been as good as done (hence media reports of the move being complete). Amazingly, all this angst was predicated by the request for the ESPN/UT contract concerning the LHN by that blogger recently.

So where are we now. Well, the cat's definitely out of the bag now. Everybody's shown their hands and UT has won this round but they now realize that they have guns aimed at them from the inside and the outside. If they don't change that contract and make it fairer, they're going to be standing on the corner with a bag of marbles....and nobody to play with.

As long as there is such disparity built into that contract, the Big XII (-II) will never be stable.

(08-15-2011 07:49 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(08-14-2011 11:33 PM)BlueRaiderFan. Wrote:  Uh Yeah...Southern Miss to the SEC aint happenin...

I think you have a bias against USM. Let’s look at the facts.

Last year USM played South Carolina in its opener. Lost 41 – 13.

They also beat UCF who beat Georgia in the bowl game.

In addition, USM has a home and home series with Nebraska starting next year, 2012 and 2013.

Also in 2013, USM starts a home and home series with Mississippi State in a home and home series. Then USM plays at LSU in 2015 and goes to Tennessee in 2016.

I don’t think the SEC has a problem with USM.

How many SEC schools does MTSU have on the future schedule?

What you're saying is ULM will join the SEC since they play an SEC school every year. They even play a home game in Little Rock against Arkansas every other year.

On a serious note. The SEC plays the USM and ULM's because it's a cupcake win for them. They pay big money to rack up the win total to make there record look good. When South Alabama finally joins the big boys you will learn the hard road of FBS football.

(08-15-2011 07:49 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(08-14-2011 11:33 PM)BlueRaiderFan. Wrote:  Uh Yeah...Southern Miss to the SEC aint happenin...

I think you have a bias against USM. Let’s look at the facts.

I think you are smokin' sumtin'

Last year USM played South Carolina in its opener. Lost 41 – 13.

This point doesn't work in your favor.

They also beat UCF who beat Georgia in the bowl game.

The word 'also' doesn't belong here, because they lost the game in point #1. They lost big. But you should know that if team A beat team B, and team B beats team C, it does NOT mean that team A will beat team C.

In addition, USM has a home and home series with Nebraska starting next year, 2012 and 2013.

So out of conference games against a well-known program means you are a SEC expansion candidate? Wow, then everyone in the Sun Belt qualifies.

Also in 2013, USM starts a home and home series with Mississippi State in a home and home series. Then USM plays at LSU in 2015 and goes to Tennessee in 2016.

USA plays @ Mississippi State 2012 and 2016, and at home against Mississippi State 2014. USA plays @ LSU in 2016. USA plays @ Tennessee in 2013. USA also plays @ Georgia 2014 and @ Ole Miss in 2017. By your logic, USA is more of a SEC expansion candidate than USM. And guess what, that ain't happening!

I don’t think the SEC has a problem with USM.

I don't disagree with you here. But that doesn't mean the SEC will add them. I doubt the SEC has problems with Akron, or Kent State, or the New Jersey Institute of Technology... it doesn't mean they are getting added to the SEC for membership.

How many SEC schools does MTSU have on the future schedule?

Why? Depending on how many it makes them a candidate?

FloridaJag... let's change directions. USM will not get consideration from the SEC.

If the criteria was just playing SEC teams:


Tulane - 425 times
Memphis - 164 times
Southern Miss - 135 times
La Tech - 68 times
ULL - 53 times
Ark State - 51 times
ULM - 40 times
Troy - 13 times

Congrats to Tulane - looks like the are the expansion candidate. Just think, Tulane back in the SEC.

(08-15-2011 08:59 AM)dchi72 Wrote:  If the criteria was just playing SEC teams:


Tulane - 425 times
Memphis - 164 times
Southern Miss - 135 times
La Tech - 68 times
ULL - 53 times
Ark State - 51 times
ULM - 40 times
Troy - 13 times

Congrats to Tulane - looks like the are the expansion candidate. Just think, Tulane back in the SEC.

Wow. You guys are hostile. The point was that USM has home and home dates against Miss State and Nebraska. That is impressive. So you don't like USM.

Okay, why do you like Missouri over USM?

That is the question

Temple Football was kicked out of the Big EAst. Temple was never a member of the Big EAst for any other sports... Villanova would not allow it.

Temple was kicked out simply because they wanted to be an all sports member and the BIg East refused... due ot Novas suggestions.

Temple was an equal to Rutgers when it came to Football however Rutgers was never subject to these membership requirements.