The President took over a half-hour of questions from reporters and thoroughly stomped a mudhole in the GOP for their inability to accept a very good deal. Boehner, on the other hand, took about ten minutes of questions and then bolted for the door. The President offers $3 trillion in cuts in exchange for $1 trillion in revenues (75/25 split), and he still got a no from the GOPers. What we're about to see is a civil war in the GOP between people who have functioning brains and the TeaKlanners. David Brooks nailed it perfectly - the GOP is no longer a normal party and lacks the ability to govern.

I'll believe that $3 trillion in cuts will occur on the same day I win the lottery, am struck by lightning, and bitten by a shark while up a tree in Iowa.

I'm not surprised though, that you've chosen sides in this cluster**** like everyone else.

His daily rants are working against him, the american people know pie in the sky politics. It will be all on him for his lack of leadership. Where the GOP will eat his lunch in any debate that is about his lousy record of leadership.

Quote:The President offers $3 trillion in cuts in exchange for $1 trillion in revenues (75/25 split), and he still got a no from the GOPers

Some men are leaders, some are destined to make Jimmy Carter look good. A true leader would have gotten what he wanted.

It's going to work out fine for the President. The debt limit is going to be raised, and the voters get to see that the GOP is a radical party incapable of governing.

(07-22-2011 08:06 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  It's going to work out fine for the President. The debt limit is going to be raised, and the voters get to see that the GOP is a radical party incapable of governing.

Radical? Compared to libs???? Are you for real? And why do you always label everything?

(07-22-2011 08:06 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  It's going to work out fine for the President. The debt limit is going to be raised, and the voters get to see that the GOP is a radical party incapable of governing.

Maybe they'll remember that $3 billion in promised cuts that aren't going to materialize.

No, they probably won't.

(07-22-2011 08:11 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 08:06 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  It's going to work out fine for the President. The debt limit is going to be raised, and the voters get to see that the GOP is a radical party incapable of governing.

Maybe they'll remember that $3 billion in promised cuts that aren't going to materialize.

No, they probably won't.

Only fringe righties, like yourself, who easily buy into propaganda and conspiracy theories believe that. The President is going to bury the GOP on this issue.

(07-22-2011 08:15 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 08:11 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 08:06 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  It's going to work out fine for the President. The debt limit is going to be raised, and the voters get to see that the GOP is a radical party incapable of governing.

Maybe they'll remember that $3 billion in promised cuts that aren't going to materialize.

No, they probably won't.

Only fringe righties, like yourself, who easily buy into propaganda and conspiracy theories believe that. The President is going to bury the GOP on this issue.

If you know so much and have this great job and all, then why do spend all day on this board instead of solving the world's problems?

(07-22-2011 08:17 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 08:15 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 08:11 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 08:06 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  It's going to work out fine for the President. The debt limit is going to be raised, and the voters get to see that the GOP is a radical party incapable of governing.

Maybe they'll remember that $3 billion in promised cuts that aren't going to materialize.

No, they probably won't.

Only fringe righties, like yourself, who easily buy into propaganda and conspiracy theories believe that. The President is going to bury the GOP on this issue.

If you know so much and have this great job and all, then why do spend all day on this board instead of solving the world's problems?

I do some of that too. At least in my corner of the world. Some of us can do and think about several things at once. Others, like you, have difficulty just thinking period.

(07-22-2011 08:15 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 08:11 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 08:06 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  It's going to work out fine for the President. The debt limit is going to be raised, and the voters get to see that the GOP is a radical party incapable of governing.

Maybe they'll remember that $3 billion in promised cuts that aren't going to materialize.

No, they probably won't.

Only fringe righties, like yourself, who easily cite history believe that.

FIFY

(07-22-2011 08:15 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 08:11 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 08:06 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  It's going to work out fine for the President. The debt limit is going to be raised, and the voters get to see that the GOP is a radical party incapable of governing.

Maybe they'll remember that $3 billion in promised cuts that aren't going to materialize.

No, they probably won't.

Only fringe righties, like yourself, who easily buy into propaganda and conspiracy theories believe that. The President is going to bury the GOP on this issue.

No, I have precedent on my side. I'll believe a Democrat is committed to cutting spending when spending is cut, and not before.

(07-22-2011 08:06 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  It's going to work out fine for the President. The debt limit is going to be raised, and the voters get to see that the GOP is a radical party incapable of governing.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I wouldn't be surprised if the house republicans went ahead and let us hit the debt ceiling on august 2nd. No better way to get the spending cuts you want and that the country needs. We can pay our bonds, SS, Medicare, and the military, but everything else is instantly cut out. Dems better offer a lot of concessions to the house republicans or we'll hit the limit and default. I see this as a classic example of two groups not being able to negotiate, because there is no middle ground to settle. Dems are in the position of weakness in that they don't want spending cuts, republicans have the power to force spending cuts one way or another. Personally, I don't think the house republicans are too concerned about raising the debt limit and we'll be happy enough to just default. I'm not advocating the wisdom of that, just that it's definitely a possibility.

(07-22-2011 07:38 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  The President took over a half-hour of questions from reporters and thoroughly stomped a mudhole in the GOP for their inability to accept a very good deal. Boehner, on the other hand, took about ten minutes of questions and then bolted for the door. The President offers $3 trillion in cuts in exchange for $1 trillion in revenues (75/25 split), and he still got a no from the GOPers. What we're about to see is a civil war in the GOP between people who have functioning brains and the TeaKlanners. David Brooks nailed it perfectly - the GOP is no longer a normal party and lacks the ability to govern.

$3Trillion of cuts against the $10Trillion of incremental spend Obama added... it's a good deal for a f*ing moron. Once Barry agrees to cut $10Trillion over the next 10 years the the Republicans need to give him $2.5 Trillion in additional taxes. 75/25 split, like you say that's fair.

Hint: his lips were moving.

(07-22-2011 08:06 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  It's going to work out fine for the President. The debt limit is going to be raised, and the voters get to see that the GOP is a radical party incapable of governing.

Greece is the word have you heard they've got debt they've got bankruptcy. In the end the US will likely split if Barry get's his way, states that rationally manage fiscal responsiblity are getting fed up with the Federal Gubment's dine and dash.

I now hope that the US now defaults on these debts. I personally never consented to any of it and resent having to pay it back with the fruits of my labor.

I also don't believe for a second that very much would happen if we did. The major lenders are so tightly tied economically to the US that they can not afford to see the US economy spiral any further due to this issue. I believe that a debt reduction plan would emerge from the lenders. Sh!t...Just how many times has the US forgiven foreign debt?

The debt will be paid irregardless of the ceiling being raised or not.

(07-22-2011 07:38 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  The President offers $3 trillion in cuts in exchange for $1 trillion in revenues (75/25 split), and he still got a no from the GOPers.

The pres offers three trillion in cuts *ten years out* for a tax increase today... Who's that remind you of?

(07-22-2011 09:34 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 07:38 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  The President offers $3 trillion in cuts in exchange for $1 trillion in revenues (75/25 split), and he still got a no from the GOPers.

The pres offers three trillion in cuts *ten years out* for a tax increase today... Who's that remind you of?

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