(06-20-2010 08:28 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  If you teall any of the Big East basketball schools that they would play ones less game vs. the power schools to play ECU. That would be consider a loss. and yes certaintly Rutgers and USF are NOT basketball powers, but the fact is that if you add ECU they would NOT replace Rutgers, USF in EVERYONE's schedule. Someone will lose a game vs Cuse, Notre Dame, Gtown etc and that would not go well.
and the question becomes, How long before ECU turns a profit to the Big East? You think they would wait 10 years if that was the case?
How about if ECU goes to BCS bowl? Would that mean they met requirement, eventhough TV revenues might not have been increased by their adidtion?

I dont believe anyone will be added right now, unless there is proof that they will ADD money from the get go.

Good points. Cheers & happy Sunday.

(06-20-2010 08:19 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  If we added Memphis and UCF:
-Add Orlando and Memphis markets
-Reduce OOC payouts in football
-Add the Fed Ex sponsorship offer
-Add Memphis bball credits
-Add the B.E.N. the same year as they come on board

Legit question here, I don't know. With those revenue streams above would this makeup or surpass the pieces of the pie we all would lose by adding?

I think we ultimately need 12 teams, but I am on board with doing 2 first then 2 as soon as we see it is a positive move, maybe 1 year later, maybe 2-3 years later, but all in place for new tv deal.

Btw, UCF is located in Orlando, which is home to Disney, which owns a sports tv network, whom we will be renegotiating a deal with in a few years.

grace
ALL of those things are what Tags was added to study, if it shows that adding those schools will ADD revenue they will be added. ALL the schools are on the fact that they MUST increase revnues but NONE is on board of adding anyone that does not.
NONE of us has the actual numbers or direct disscussions with cable and companies to gage that revenue. So we cant say that adding so and so would add revenue. It would just be a hunch on our part.
But if it makes you feel better I have been told that is being looked at

(06-20-2010 08:24 AM)UofL07 Wrote:  The problem is the situations aren't comparable. The Big East had to expand when the ACC expansion was announced back in 2004. The conference had no choice in the matter. It had to take teams or it could not sponsor football anymore. Issues at UofL, UC, and USF (academics, attendance, endowment size, revenue sharing, etc) that would have normally barred admission to the conference were overlooked because the conference needed teams.

This isn't the case now. Because the conference doesn't absolutely have to expand, the criteria for admission will be much harder. In other words, how much revenue a candidate would bring in is much more important than when UL, UC, and USF joined.

In other words, The Big East Conference was desperate when UofL, UC and USF got in. Today the conference isn't desperate. I don't know about you but that makes me feel a lot better about being here.
CJ

(06-20-2010 08:37 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  In other words, The Big East Conference was desperate when UofL, UC and USF got in. Today the conference isn't desperate. I don't know about you but that makes me feel a lot better about being here.
CJ

(06-20-2010 08:37 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-20-2010 08:24 AM)UofL07 Wrote:  The problem is the situations aren't comparable. The Big East had to expand when the ACC expansion was announced back in 2004. The conference had no choice in the matter. It had to take teams or it could not sponsor football anymore. Issues at UofL, UC, and USF (academics, attendance, endowment size, revenue sharing, etc) that would have normally barred admission to the conference were overlooked because the conference needed teams.

This isn't the case now. Because the conference doesn't absolutely have to expand, the criteria for admission will be much harder. In other words, how much revenue a candidate would bring in is much more important than when UL, UC, and USF joined.

In other words, The Big East Conference was desperate when UofL, UC and USF got in. Today the conference isn't desperate. I don't know about you but that makes me feel a lot better about being here.
CJ

It should. It means that they dont have to take a risk and get a pay decrease in TV revenues which was what happened at the last addition.
Now they can ADD only if it INCREASES the TV revenue.
Certaintly a BETTER situation, wouldnt you say?

(06-20-2010 08:37 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  In other words, The Big East Conference was desperate when UofL, UC and USF got in.

Could anyone rationally argue that it wasn't extremely desperate? After all, the conference just lost its national brand name team (Miami) and had to expand because it did not have enough teams (5) to sponsor football as a conference sport (needed 8). It essentially had no other options other than dissolving as a football conference.

(06-20-2010 08:37 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Today the conference isn't desperate. I don't know about you but that makes me feel a lot better about being here.

Well, Louisville could always move back to C-USA. They are a 12 team, all sport conference meaning that even in a raid, there is no danger of not having enough teams to keep sponsoring the sport. How about the MAC - low travel costs, very stable league, and probably not going to be raided anytime in the near future.

(06-20-2010 08:40 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  It should. It means that they dont have to take a risk and get a pay decrease in TV revenues which was what happened at the last addition.
Now they can ADD only if it INCREASES the TV revenue.
Certaintly a BETTER situation, wouldnt you say?

No, quite the opposite, the conference is as unstable as it has ever been. It is yet to be determined if our TV revenues will increase or even stay the same with 8 members we have now. I wouldn't call it a BETTER situation. The Big East is still in survival mode as it was when UC, UofL and USF were invited. The BEN is a pipe dream and yet those in the conference that oppose expansion are willing to risk the future of the conference on it. I will agree that The BEN in theory is great idea. I doubt The Big East has the leadership and the determination to pull it off. I predict the conference will use rumors of forming a BEN to get a small increase from ESPN and will then shelve any furture plans for a network.
CJ

(06-19-2010 09:32 PM)buckaineer Wrote:  

(06-19-2010 06:20 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Can you guys against expansion of 2-4 teams right now give me a good enough reason to wait on these teams. Don't tell me they will be there later. That is not a strong enough argument.

Please tell me why we shouldn't add them to let them get a chance to strengthen before negotiations have to start with the next tv contract and bowl alignment.

Please tell me you've got something better than hurting bball programs feelings and disrupting the 8/8 hybrid setup.

I feel like Jack Nicholson here sitting in Cuba....yet have the answers and gumption of Cruise in the court room.

Wait on these teams for what exactly? Why do you think the Big East needs to expand? What is the benefit to the Big East of expanding? What is the benefit of expanding with UCF, ECU, Memphis and Temple or someone?

You are acting like the Big East is going to collapse if it doesn't add someone. You are acting like the tv contracts will not work if they don't add someone. You have the mixed up belief that the Big East is solely stuck on 3 or 4 schools to add because posters from another league are telling you this. You are ignoring many things.

The Big East does NOT need to expand to improve on the successes it has had. The league is NOW working on developing a tv network that will improve the league financially in a dramatic way. The league is also working on boosting the football and basketball pay for existing members when the broadcast contracts can be renegotiated.

Big East football has NEVER had more than 8 teams. It might be ok to have another, but it isn't such a critical issue that the league is going to hurt itself just to add someone. They would add someone instantly if it benefits the league members. They nearly hit the jackpot last week with Big XII teams. That went away, and so did any legitimate candidates for expansion at the moment.

If the league needs to replace someone, they will likely exhaust their BCS options--showing them what they can be with a BEN on the air in 25% or more of the nation. If that doesn't pan out and there is a reason, they will add what studies have shown is the best possible candidate for them.

They certainly won't add anyone out of panic--this would not help anything. At this point either the Big East will maintain and exist, or teams will leave and football will die. I find it interesting some of the new members are panicking about having to move backwards, but you want the league to add those same teams, which will cause you school to be in less than a BCS conference with diminished bb to boot.

Sorry to tell all the possible CUSA candidates but here is the truth.......

The Big East feels that if it can get its "network" up and running that they would then be strong enough and attractive enough financially to pull a school from another current BCS conference. It just takes time. By getting the Network up and running and more to offer, it would be the dream scenario for the Big East to bring in Penn State, Maryland or Notre Dame for football. The more likely scenario is that it would be somebody like BC.

Thats the primary reason NONE of the realistic schools mentioned out of CUSA east like ECU, Memphis, Marshall, or UCF have gotten an invite. An invite simply WILL NOT come for any reason other than "necessity".

In other words, if the Big East would happen to lose 1 team to conference expansion then yes, it would have to add a CUSA east team....out of necessity. But until the happens (If it ever happens) we will not see any movement from the office of the Big East.

If the network gets off the ground, and projected revenues are attractive........all I can say is look out ACC, the tide might turn and you might be the one getting raided.

(06-20-2010 08:46 AM)UofL07 Wrote:  

(06-20-2010 08:37 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  In other words, The Big East Conference was desperate when UofL, UC and USF got in.

Could anyone rationally argue that it wasn't extremely desperate? After all, the conference just lost its national brand name team (Miami) and had to expand because it did not have enough teams (5) to sponsor football as a conference sport (needed 8). It essentially had no other options other than dissolving as a football conference.

(06-20-2010 08:37 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Today the conference isn't desperate. I don't know about you but that makes me feel a lot better about being here.

Well, Louisville could always move back to C-USA. They are a 12 team, all sport conference meaning that even in a raid, there is no danger of not having enough teams to keep sponsoring the sport. How about the MAC - low travel costs, very stable league, and probably not going to be raided anytime in the near future.

It's good to see some one else realize that the only reason The Big East Conference does anything is out of desperation. As for your suggestion of moving back to CUSA or going to The MAC, hold that thought. It could happen.....
CJ

(06-20-2010 08:49 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-20-2010 08:40 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  It should. It means that they dont have to take a risk and get a pay decrease in TV revenues which was what happened at the last addition.
Now they can ADD only if it INCREASES the TV revenue.
Certaintly a BETTER situation, wouldnt you say?

No, quite the opposite, the conference is as unstable as it has ever been. It is yet to be determined if our TV revenues will increase or even stay the same with 8 members we have now. I wouldn't call it a BETTER situation. The Big East is still in survival mode as it was when UC, UofL and USF were invited. The BEN is a pipe dream and yet those in the conference that oppose expansion are willing to risk the future of the conference on it. I will agree that The BEN in theory is great idea. I doubt The Big East has the leadership and the determination to pull it off. I predict the conference will use rumors of forming a BEN to get a small increase from ESPN and will then shelve any furture plans for a network.
CJ

Once again I will ask you these two questions.

#1 Stability? Will adding any CUSA teams keep any of our curent squads including UL, from going to SEC,ACC or Big Ten? I think we can all agree the answer would be NO.
#2 Revenues? Would any of our schools be willing to add any CUSA schools if they DO NOT brring any extra revenues? I think the answer will also be a NO.

So why would you want to add ANYONE that would not add stability nor increase revenues?

(06-20-2010 08:51 AM)WVUeer Wrote:  

(06-19-2010 09:32 PM)buckaineer Wrote:  

(06-19-2010 06:20 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Can you guys against expansion of 2-4 teams right now give me a good enough reason to wait on these teams. Don't tell me they will be there later. That is not a strong enough argument.

Please tell me why we shouldn't add them to let them get a chance to strengthen before negotiations have to start with the next tv contract and bowl alignment.

Please tell me you've got something better than hurting bball programs feelings and disrupting the 8/8 hybrid setup.

I feel like Jack Nicholson here sitting in Cuba....yet have the answers and gumption of Cruise in the court room.

Wait on these teams for what exactly? Why do you think the Big East needs to expand? What is the benefit to the Big East of expanding? What is the benefit of expanding with UCF, ECU, Memphis and Temple or someone?

You are acting like the Big East is going to collapse if it doesn't add someone. You are acting like the tv contracts will not work if they don't add someone. You have the mixed up belief that the Big East is solely stuck on 3 or 4 schools to add because posters from another league are telling you this. You are ignoring many things.

The Big East does NOT need to expand to improve on the successes it has had. The league is NOW working on developing a tv network that will improve the league financially in a dramatic way. The league is also working on boosting the football and basketball pay for existing members when the broadcast contracts can be renegotiated.

Big East football has NEVER had more than 8 teams. It might be ok to have another, but it isn't such a critical issue that the league is going to hurt itself just to add someone. They would add someone instantly if it benefits the league members. They nearly hit the jackpot last week with Big XII teams. That went away, and so did any legitimate candidates for expansion at the moment.

If the league needs to replace someone, they will likely exhaust their BCS options--showing them what they can be with a BEN on the air in 25% or more of the nation. If that doesn't pan out and there is a reason, they will add what studies have shown is the best possible candidate for them.

They certainly won't add anyone out of panic--this would not help anything. At this point either the Big East will maintain and exist, or teams will leave and football will die. I find it interesting some of the new members are panicking about having to move backwards, but you want the league to add those same teams, which will cause you school to be in less than a BCS conference with diminished bb to boot.

Sorry to tell all the possible CUSA candidates but here is the truth.......

The Big East feels that if it can get its "network" up and running that they would then be strong enough and attractive enough financially to pull a school from another current BCS conference. It just takes time. By getting the Network up and running and more to offer, it would be the dream scenario for the Big East to bring in Penn State, Maryland or Notre Dame for football. The more likely scenario is that it would be somebody like BC.

Thats the primary reason NONE of the realistic schools mentioned out of CUSA east like ECU, Memphis, Marshall, or UCF have gotten an invite. An invite simply WILL NOT come for any reason other than "necessity".

In other words, if the Big East would happen to lose 1 team to conference expansion then yes, it would have to add a CUSA east team....out of necessity. But until the happens (If it ever happens) we will not see any movement from the office of the Big East.

If the network gets off the ground, and projected revenues are attractive........all I can say is look out ACC, the tide might turn and you might be the one getting raided.

WVUeer is this part of what you know from your post earlier this week...the newspaper article was one part, but the couple of tidbits you have here? Are you still holding onto some news breaking before or on June 30th?

I can understand that being a scenario, to see if the network is successful enough to draw in BC, but I don't see any of the others coming unless ND is completely forced. If all of this negotiating and tension building among the conference programs is to get BC back after the B.E.N. is formed, then we really are not using our forsight skills. BC barely hangs on as it is.

Reasons for adding now

1. Fans want it regardless of financial impact it may have on the conference and their own school. The BE conference should take teams because 9/10/12 teams is better than 8, finances be damned!

2. Because if teams are added now, they can have a few years of BCS recruiting to build up and become much better programs. Then, if the BE East is raided, the loss of teams won't be as bad.

3. Because having a bigger league will help the Big East perception wise because it will have more teams.


Reason for not adding right now

1. Finances actually matter regardless of what fans (who don't have to balance university budgets) think. If expansion decreases conference payouts, schools that are operating on razor thing profits (e.g. Louisville) or at a loss (e.g. UC) are either going to have to spend less on coaches, facilities improves, etc or cut sports. Having less money coming in means BE programs will have to pay coaches even less. Plus, lower conference payouts will only further destabilize the league as it makes other leagues with higher payouts that much more attractive.

2. LRS (i.e. Louisville Regression Syndrome). The Cards were great coming into the conference and were enjoying a very high level of football success. They had all the advantages of BCS membership and then went out and hired a bad coach. Now they are a bottom barrel team that is hurting the conference in terms of its BCS ranking. In other words, adding teams to the conference does not mean they are going to build up and instantly become good teams. In fact, the opposite could be true - i.e. that teams get added and end up pulling a Louisville. That means that if the BE loses some of its top programs, expansion could actually hurt the conference's BCS bid because there would be a lot more dead weight in the conference dragging the conference rankings down.

3. Adding a team like Memphis would improve the conference's basketball perception. But it would do absolutely nothing to improve the national perception of the football side of the conference. None of the available teams would (just as UL, UC, USF did not improve the conference's rep when they moved up). Nothing is going to improve the conference's rep short of a current BCS team joining which isn't happening.

Lets be honest part of the reason Memphis hasnt gotten the nod is due to its reputation. The vacated final 4's dont sit well with the presidents. Justifed or not that is the reality.

Adding two schools will help the BE survive when it gets raided by the Big 10. The BE is in the position they are in because of their lack of vision for the future. UCF and UM have the potential to improve immensely in the BE.

(06-20-2010 09:36 AM)Villecard Wrote:  Adding two schools will help the BE survive when it gets raided by the Big 10. The BE is in the position they are in because of their lack of vision for the future. UCF and UM have the potential to improve immensely in the BE.

Those two will not prevent a raid and will still be available after a raid. Would you want your school to LOSE revenues for next 5 years if that is how long it would take before next raid?

Sorry to tell all the possible CUSA candidates but here is the truth.......

The Big East feels that if it can get its "network" up and running that they would then be strong enough and attractive enough financially to pull a school from another current BCS conference. It just takes time. By getting the Network up and running and more to offer, it would be the dream scenario for the Big East to bring in Penn State, Maryland or Notre Dame for football. The more likely scenario is that it would be somebody like BC.

BE network may very well increase income, but BE will always be the least of the BCS. It will not raid any other bcs.[/font][/size]

Thats the primary reason NONE of the realistic schools mentioned out of CUSA east like ECU, Memphis, Marshall, or UCF have gotten an invite. An invite simply WILL NOT come for any reason other than "necessity".

In other words, if the Big East would happen to lose 1 team to conference expansion then yes, it would have to add a CUSA east team....out of necessity. But until the happens (If it ever happens) we will not see any movement from the office of the Big East.

[font=Arial]I agree this is what will happen. question is will there be a BE fb conf left to add them to?

If the network gets off the ground, and projected revenues are attractive........all I can say is look out ACC, the tide might turn and you might be the one getting raided.
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Fantasy Island.

(06-20-2010 07:43 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  

(06-19-2010 10:43 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  I actually think you can make a case to expand now or wait. At the cost of body bag games, inviting 1 school now would actually be a wash financially for the FB schools. Why wait? To complete the feasibility and potential analysis on the network. I know UCF is the hot ticket right now. But what if we add them now and then discover that Memphis or ECU would add more money to the contract or we then discover that UCF doesn't pull any new revenue for the network? Then we have hurt ourselves financially, and risk losing members to higher paying conferences. I think the invitation will come at the end of this FB season. By then the analysis will be done to see if it pays to split and add teams or stay together and add teams and how many to add. All of the leading candidates have faults. Perhaps one or more of them move forward this season and separate themselves from the pack.

My question for you is what do we gain from inviting them now and what do we lose by waiting? Sometimes doing nothing is better than doing something for the sake of it. I am not seeing a compelling reason to expand other than some posters strong desire to do so.

I've already listed my reasons to do so...and they point towards an overwhelming duh why aren't we doing this now while the waters have calmed, we have time to ramp the schools up for on the field, and for the upcoming tv contracts. We wait, then we will replacing teams that have left, up against the deadline to renegotiate tv deals or launch the network without any ramp up time for the schools to get out there.

And disclaimer, if us fans wanted to get out of dodge we wouldn't be on here pleading to our conference mates for expansion now to become more stable. So what if its a 2 year hit in some revenues, long term it will make more money.

Good pts (plus in your previous post as well).

As long as all the other BCS Conf are richer (MUCH RICHER) than the Big East...Big East teams will continue to reach other to any other BCS Conf that wants to add teams...and if invited...they will JUMP.

If ECU or Memphis or UCF were given invites "today" to join the Big East in 2012...they, just like UL, Cinci and USF enjoyed, will have 2 football recruiting classes (Feb 2011 and Feb 2012) using the Big East label...which will only help their programs grow stronger.

If the Big East does nothing...and if RU (maybe Cuse and Pitt join them) bolts say next summer (2011) to join the Big East by 2012 (i.e. short notice like Nebraska is doing with the Big12)...Big East will be in PANIC MODE...and need teams ASAP to join...even though they won't have 2 Big East recruiting classes to help build up their programs prior to joining...which UL, Cinci and USF were able to do.

That's why you don't wait.

(06-20-2010 10:11 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-20-2010 07:43 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  

(06-19-2010 10:43 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  I actually think you can make a case to expand now or wait. At the cost of body bag games, inviting 1 school now would actually be a wash financially for the FB schools. Why wait? To complete the feasibility and potential analysis on the network. I know UCF is the hot ticket right now. But what if we add them now and then discover that Memphis or ECU would add more money to the contract or we then discover that UCF doesn't pull any new revenue for the network? Then we have hurt ourselves financially, and risk losing members to higher paying conferences. I think the invitation will come at the end of this FB season. By then the analysis will be done to see if it pays to split and add teams or stay together and add teams and how many to add. All of the leading candidates have faults. Perhaps one or more of them move forward this season and separate themselves from the pack.

My question for you is what do we gain from inviting them now and what do we lose by waiting? Sometimes doing nothing is better than doing something for the sake of it. I am not seeing a compelling reason to expand other than some posters strong desire to do so.

I've already listed my reasons to do so...and they point towards an overwhelming duh why aren't we doing this now while the waters have calmed, we have time to ramp the schools up for on the field, and for the upcoming tv contracts. We wait, then we will replacing teams that have left, up against the deadline to renegotiate tv deals or launch the network without any ramp up time for the schools to get out there.

And disclaimer, if us fans wanted to get out of dodge we wouldn't be on here pleading to our conference mates for expansion now to become more stable. So what if its a 2 year hit in some revenues, long term it will make more money.

Good pts...

As long as all the other BCS Conf are richer (MUCH RICHER) than the Big East...Big East teams will continue to reach other to any other BCS Conf that wants to add teams...and if invited...they will JUMP.

If ECU or Memphis or UCF were given invites "today" to join the Big East in 2012...they, just like UL, Cinci and USF enjoyed, will have 2 football recruiting classes (Feb 2011 and Feb 2012) using the Big East label...which will only help their programs grow stronger.

If the Big East does nothing...and if RU (maybe Cuse and Pitt join them) bolts say next summer (2011) to join the Big East by 2012 (i.e. short notice like Nebraska is doing with the Big12)...Big East will be in PANIC MODE...and need teams ASAP to join...even though they won't have 2 Big East recruiting classes to help build up their programs prior to joining...which UL, Cinci and USF were able to do.

That's why you don't wait.

and if the raid does not happen the teams lose revenues all those years. Its ALL about the revenues, NO Big East school will vote to add anyone that will cost them revenues unless they have to.
If you ADD revenue then your point is valid and it will probably happen.

(06-20-2010 10:14 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(06-20-2010 10:11 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-20-2010 07:43 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  

(06-19-2010 10:43 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  I actually think you can make a case to expand now or wait. At the cost of body bag games, inviting 1 school now would actually be a wash financially for the FB schools. Why wait? To complete the feasibility and potential analysis on the network. I know UCF is the hot ticket right now. But what if we add them now and then discover that Memphis or ECU would add more money to the contract or we then discover that UCF doesn't pull any new revenue for the network? Then we have hurt ourselves financially, and risk losing members to higher paying conferences. I think the invitation will come at the end of this FB season. By then the analysis will be done to see if it pays to split and add teams or stay together and add teams and how many to add. All of the leading candidates have faults. Perhaps one or more of them move forward this season and separate themselves from the pack.

My question for you is what do we gain from inviting them now and what do we lose by waiting? Sometimes doing nothing is better than doing something for the sake of it. I am not seeing a compelling reason to expand other than some posters strong desire to do so.

I've already listed my reasons to do so...and they point towards an overwhelming duh why aren't we doing this now while the waters have calmed, we have time to ramp the schools up for on the field, and for the upcoming tv contracts. We wait, then we will replacing teams that have left, up against the deadline to renegotiate tv deals or launch the network without any ramp up time for the schools to get out there.

And disclaimer, if us fans wanted to get out of dodge we wouldn't be on here pleading to our conference mates for expansion now to become more stable. So what if its a 2 year hit in some revenues, long term it will make more money.

Good pts...

As long as all the other BCS Conf are richer (MUCH RICHER) than the Big East...Big East teams will continue to reach other to any other BCS Conf that wants to add teams...and if invited...they will JUMP.

If ECU or Memphis or UCF were given invites "today" to join the Big East in 2012...they, just like UL, Cinci and USF enjoyed, will have 2 football recruiting classes (Feb 2011 and Feb 2012) using the Big East label...which will only help their programs grow stronger.

If the Big East does nothing...and if RU (maybe Cuse and Pitt join them) bolts say next summer (2011) to join the Big East by 2012 (i.e. short notice like Nebraska is doing with the Big12)...Big East will be in PANIC MODE...and need teams ASAP to join...even though they won't have 2 Big East recruiting classes to help build up their programs prior to joining...which UL, Cinci and USF were able to do.

That's why you don't wait.

and if the raid does not happen the teams lose revenues all those years. Its ALL about the revenues

And what proof do you have that all those teams would lose REVENUE if they were added and the Big East secured a new TV deal?

Oh...that's right...you just made up the previous comment.

What a shock!




NOT.

(06-20-2010 10:20 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-20-2010 10:14 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(06-20-2010 10:11 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-20-2010 07:43 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  

(06-19-2010 10:43 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  I actually think you can make a case to expand now or wait. At the cost of body bag games, inviting 1 school now would actually be a wash financially for the FB schools. Why wait? To complete the feasibility and potential analysis on the network. I know UCF is the hot ticket right now. But what if we add them now and then discover that Memphis or ECU would add more money to the contract or we then discover that UCF doesn't pull any new revenue for the network? Then we have hurt ourselves financially, and risk losing members to higher paying conferences. I think the invitation will come at the end of this FB season. By then the analysis will be done to see if it pays to split and add teams or stay together and add teams and how many to add. All of the leading candidates have faults. Perhaps one or more of them move forward this season and separate themselves from the pack.

My question for you is what do we gain from inviting them now and what do we lose by waiting? Sometimes doing nothing is better than doing something for the sake of it. I am not seeing a compelling reason to expand other than some posters strong desire to do so.

I've already listed my reasons to do so...and they point towards an overwhelming duh why aren't we doing this now while the waters have calmed, we have time to ramp the schools up for on the field, and for the upcoming tv contracts. We wait, then we will replacing teams that have left, up against the deadline to renegotiate tv deals or launch the network without any ramp up time for the schools to get out there.

And disclaimer, if us fans wanted to get out of dodge we wouldn't be on here pleading to our conference mates for expansion now to become more stable. So what if its a 2 year hit in some revenues, long term it will make more money.

Good pts...

As long as all the other BCS Conf are richer (MUCH RICHER) than the Big East...Big East teams will continue to reach other to any other BCS Conf that wants to add teams...and if invited...they will JUMP.

If ECU or Memphis or UCF were given invites "today" to join the Big East in 2012...they, just like UL, Cinci and USF enjoyed, will have 2 football recruiting classes (Feb 2011 and Feb 2012) using the Big East label...which will only help their programs grow stronger.

If the Big East does nothing...and if RU (maybe Cuse and Pitt join them) bolts say next summer (2011) to join the Big East by 2012 (i.e. short notice like Nebraska is doing with the Big12)...Big East will be in PANIC MODE...and need teams ASAP to join...even though they won't have 2 Big East recruiting classes to help build up their programs prior to joining...which UL, Cinci and USF were able to do.

That's why you don't wait.

and if the raid does not happen the teams lose revenues all those years. Its ALL about the revenues

And what proof do you have that all those teams would lose REVENUE if they were added and the Big East secured a new TV deal?

Oh...that's right...you just made up the previous comment.

What a shock!




NOT.

Would you give your victim mentallity a rest!!!!!!!
I stated before that the Big East is STUDYING right now whether expansion will ad revenues in a new TV deal. Its what Tag was hired to do. I have been told that if the ANSWER is YES then teams will be added. If the ANSWER is NO then they will not.

None of us on this board will make those decisions, and NONE of us on this board have the ACTUAL TV projections in front of us.

So for ANY of us to say that adding will bring revenue or not is our OPINION.

I never said that they dont bring revenues. I have said that IF the league projects increased revenues they WILL be additions, if not then we will stay put.