Thanks to the witless wonders, we've had years of unecessary wars to fight

wasn't clinton offered OBL by the pakistanis (or one of those countries) and did nothing about it?

In other news, Obama worst President ever.

So Clinton had a chance and W had a chance. What would Obama do if given the opportunity? Hmmmm...........................probably bow to him.

(12-01-2009 12:21 AM)onlinepole Wrote:  Thanks to the witless wonders, we've had years of unecessary wars to fight

It is all Obama's fault.

(12-01-2009 12:21 AM)onlinepole Wrote:  Thanks to the witless wonders, we've had years of unecessary wars to fight

The basis for this being a Senate report written by John F'g Kerry who we all know has no agenda at all.

This report is basically, "Yeah, if you had known then what we know now, which of course is impossible, you could have captured him." But you liberal morons read it as "You knew you could get him and chose not to."

Morons.

(12-01-2009 07:48 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  The basis for this being a Senate report written by John F'g Kerry who we all know has no agenda at all.

This report is basically, "Yeah, if you had known then what we know now, which of course is impossible, you could have captured him." But you liberal morons read it as "You knew you could get him and chose not to."

Morons.

You summed it up pretty well.

I submit that unnecessary wars are the norm not the exception. Oh...I forgot...American has not been a WAR in close to 60 years.

or....... the narrative is......... If we get Bin Laden how can we justify Iraq? ohhh I said it!

(12-01-2009 08:24 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  or....... the narrative is......... If we get Bin Laden how can we justify Iraq? ohhh I said it!

Umm... lets see.... they violated UN agreements.

(12-01-2009 03:27 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(12-01-2009 12:21 AM)onlinepole Wrote:  Thanks to the witless wonders, we've had years of unecessary wars to fight

It is all Obama's fault.

I think you have to look back a bit to find the real culprit.



I blame the muttonchops, personally.

Here is Kerry's "alternative battle plan" for Tora Bora.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/l..._ubl-3.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/l...ubl-3b.htm

It would have taken 3000-5000 troops to set up a blocking force at the "back door" as well as an assault force to come in cave by cave. To get those troops to Tora Bora from where they were spread all over Afghnaistan would have taken a week to 10 days and required more helicopters than were in country.

UBL would have been long gone.

If we wanted UBL dead., screw deploying the troops. Load up ten aircraft with single B-61, Mark 11 nuclear bunker-buster with a 10 kt yield and set up simultaneous bomb runs along the Tora Bora range, with the aim points spaced 1 km from each other, and drop them.

There won’t be anything coming out of those mountains.

Its just a function of how bad you want the guy dead and what you are willing to do to achieve it.

Nuking the SOB would send a strong message to the next two-bit cave dweller out to declare jihad on America.

We are going to be plagued with one Osama bin Laden after one Saddam Hussein after one Muamar Qaddafi after another, after another, etc., until they get the clear message that if they mess with us, we will very quickly cause them to become dead. The only way for them to get that message is for us to deliver it to them.

Occupying territory does not send that message.
Building schools and hospitals does not send that message.

Finding them and killing them sends that message. Nothing else.

(12-01-2009 08:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  We are going to be plagued with one Osama bin Laden after one Saddam Hussein after one Muamar Qaddafi after another, after another, etc., until they get the clear message that if they mess with us, we will very quickly cause them to become dead. The only way for them to get that message is for us to deliver it to them.

Occupying territory does not send that message.
Building schools and hospitals does not send that message.

Finding them and killing them sends that message. Nothing else.

:ncaabbs::ncaabbs::ncaabbs:
We have not been too successful with occupying territories other than to foster a negative impression of arrogance around the globe. Our good deeds(and there are many) get overlooked because of this.

I have NO problem assisting other nations with helping to build hospitals and schools and would voluntarily contribute to that cause...but...only if I am asked to do.

(12-01-2009 08:26 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(12-01-2009 08:24 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  or....... the narrative is......... If we get Bin Laden how can we justify Iraq? ohhh I said it!

Umm... lets see.... they violated UN agreements.

Using UN agreements as a basis for interdiction might be something we need to consider a little more closely from now on. It really does not matter, since those in power do whatever the hell they want..but...I think the constitution intended for congress to make these decisions.

(12-01-2009 08:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  We are going to be plagued with one Osama bin Laden after one Saddam Hussein after one Muamar Qaddafi after another, after another, etc., until they get the clear message that if they mess with us, we will very quickly cause them to become dead. The only way for them to get that message is for us to deliver it to them.

Occupying territory does not send that message.
Building schools and hospitals does not send that message.

Finding them and killing them sends that message. Nothing else.

their worldview values death, not life....is one of the big problems here.

Capturing and/or killing OBL would not "end the war". It would be a great PR and Morale victory, but wouldn't end anything. This struggle is about alot more than just OBL, as we've seen with events all over the world by lone Jihadi's like the Fort Hood Jihadist in our own Military.

During the presidential campaign didn't Obama say he knew exactly how to capture OBL?

(12-01-2009 08:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  We are going to be plagued with one Osama bin Laden after one Saddam Hussein after one Muamar Qaddafi after another, after another, etc., until they get the clear message that if they mess with us, we will very quickly cause them to become dead. The only way for them to get that message is for us to deliver it to them.

Occupying territory does not send that message.
Building schools and hospitals does not send that message.

Finding them and killing them sends that message. Nothing else.

My sentiments exactly. We have the military to do it. What our leaders lack is the will to win.

I love this non-sequitor:

(12-01-2009 08:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Finding them and killing them sends that message. Nothing else.

Navy Seals Face Assult Charges For Capturing Most Wanted Terrorists

(12-01-2009 10:27 AM)GGniner Wrote:  

(12-01-2009 08:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  We are going to be plagued with one Osama bin Laden after one Saddam Hussein after one Muamar Qaddafi after another, after another, etc., until they get the clear message that if they mess with us, we will very quickly cause them to become dead. The only way for them to get that message is for us to deliver it to them.

Occupying territory does not send that message.
Building schools and hospitals does not send that message.

Finding them and killing them sends that message. Nothing else.

their worldview values death, not life....is one of the big problems here.

Capturing and/or killing OBL would not "end the war". It would be a great PR and Morale victory, but wouldn't end anything. This struggle is about alot more than just OBL, as we've seen with events all over the world by lone Jihadi's like the Fort Hood Jihadist in our own Military.

Their world view does not value death.
It simply does not value life nearly as highly as ours does.
There's a difference.
Those guys aren't interested in dying to fulfill a world view.
But as long as they can get other people to do it--and they can--without worry about recourse against themselves--which they don't have to--then they will continue to operate.
Qaddafi has behaved fairly well since we dropped a few bombs in his backyard. There's Lockerbie, of course, but not much since then.