We need to have a permanent post on our 26 game losing streak to show some fans on this board a broader perspective.

How many times did we win 7+ games in the 90's?

(11-27-2009 04:04 PM)sterling1man Wrote:  Mediocrity is a harsh way to define a winning record by a team which probably has one of the lowest budgets in NCAAF 1a?

How is that harsh? We struggled to beat some of the worst teams in the nation and **** the bed at the end of the year. And it appears that Kill can't recruit without getting 1A transfers from Auburn.

They day antonio brown leaves that university or graduates, will be cause for celebration in dekalb

(11-27-2009 04:06 PM)sterling1man Wrote:  We need to have a permanent post on our 26 game losing streak to show some fans on this board a broader perspective.

How many times did we win 7+ games in the 90's?

Why would we base expectations off of seasons from 20 years ago?

We have a very low football budget.
NIU games are still not shown in many bars in the Northern Illinois region.

We have come along way since the 1990's, but we have neither the budget or fan support to be the top MAC team.

Thus team is awful. Let's hope they don't play in a bowl game. Could not stand being humiliated again. This game was not even close regardless of the score. Once again they come out flat, this time even at the start of the second half. CMU is good but not that good. Saw them play Arizona and LeFevour looked awful. I wish the country bumkin coach we have would go elsewhere or get fired, but that isn't going to happen.

(11-27-2009 04:10 PM)armour248 Wrote:  

(11-27-2009 04:06 PM)sterling1man Wrote:  We need to have a permanent post on our 26 game losing streak to show some fans on this board a broader perspective.

How many times did we win 7+ games in the 90's?

Why would we base expectations off of seasons from 20 years ago?

15 years ago.
Because our relative football budget has probably not changed that much.

(11-27-2009 04:11 PM)sterling1man Wrote:  We have a very low football budget.
NIU games are still not shown in many bars in the Northern Illinois region.

We have come along way since the 1990's, but we have neither the budget or fan support to be the top MAC team.

your justifications are as bad as MD's. so dumb.

(11-27-2009 04:06 PM)armour248 Wrote:  

(11-27-2009 04:04 PM)sterling1man Wrote:  Mediocrity is a harsh way to define a winning record by a team which probably has one of the lowest budgets in NCAAF 1a?

How is that harsh? We struggled to beat some of the worst teams in the nation and **** the bed at the end of the year. And it appears that Kill can't recruit without getting 1A transfers from Auburn.

That's a very interesting point.

Kill could build a team with transfers, he can't here. It's interesting to see if he can adjust.

(11-27-2009 04:12 PM)chazb2 Wrote:  Thus team is awful. Let's hope they don't play in a bowl game. Could not stand being humiliated again. This game was not even close regardless of the score. Once again they come out flat, this time even at the start of the second half. CMU is good but not that good. Saw them play Arizona and LeFevour looked awful. I wish the country bumkin coach we have would go elsewhere or get fired, but that isn't going to happen.

I am also upset, but we all want NIU to be a MAC contender next year.
With a Bowl our chances are increased.
Dan LeF. has the passing yardage record in the MAC.
A conference which has top NFL QB's!

We only lost by 2 TD's to a veteran squad led by a great QB.

(11-27-2009 04:12 PM)armour248 Wrote:  

(11-27-2009 04:11 PM)sterling1man Wrote:  We have a very low football budget.
NIU games are still not shown in many bars in the Northern Illinois region.

We have come along way since the 1990's, but we have neither the budget or fan support to be the top MAC team.

your justifications are as bad as MD's. so dumb.

Money buys the best coaching talent. I am sorry you feel that is a dumb justification.
I wish it was, however that is how it seems to work.
Does anybody on this board believe we can get and retain top coaches and assistants without top pay?

NIU is not as good as a 7-5 record would suggest. The naysayers can argue with that point all they want, but I know what my eyes show me. Bottom line the level of talent on this football team has deteriorated the last three years. And Jerry Kill has absolute blindspots when it comes to gameday coaching.

If the standard becomes getting to 6-6 every season then we are going to see Huskie Stadium attendance in the 10,000 - 13,000 range on average. And we are also going to see the Comcast TV deal dry up as well.

Why Jerry Kill was given a contract extension so soon in his administration is a mystery I cannot understand. Now we are stuck with Kill. He's not a bad guy, but he is also not the right guy to lead NIU football to the upper reaches of the MAC every year.

(11-27-2009 04:18 PM)sterling1man Wrote:  

(11-27-2009 04:12 PM)armour248 Wrote:  

(11-27-2009 04:11 PM)sterling1man Wrote:  We have a very low football budget.
NIU games are still not shown in many bars in the Northern Illinois region.

We have come along way since the 1990's, but we have neither the budget or fan support to be the top MAC team.

your justifications are as bad as MD's. so dumb.

Money buys the best coaching talent. I am sorry you feel that is a dumb justification.
I wish it was, however that is how it seems to work.
Does anybody on this board believe we can get and retain top coaches and assistants without top pay?

I'd settle for an average coach. Jerry Kill is pretty much a moron. He makes simple mistakes, and that's pretty hard to accept. If the AD wants a fat check from me he'll fire Kill...but as long as he's here I have a hard time supporting this program with $$$$ (because goodness knows my money may go to him.)

(11-27-2009 04:18 PM)sterling1man Wrote:  

(11-27-2009 04:12 PM)armour248 Wrote:  

(11-27-2009 04:11 PM)sterling1man Wrote:  We have a very low football budget.
NIU games are still not shown in many bars in the Northern Illinois region.

We have come along way since the 1990's, but we have neither the budget or fan support to be the top MAC team.

your justifications are as bad as MD's. so dumb.

Money buys the best coaching talent. I am sorry you feel that is a dumb justification.
I wish it was, however that is how it seems to work.
Does anybody on this board believe we can get and retain top coaches and assistants without top pay?

Sounds like you are saying Kill is not the answer. I do not disagree.

(11-27-2009 03:58 PM)Nigel Incubator-Jones Wrote:  To watch this game is to understand how Joe Novak sucked at recruiting in his final two seasons and how Kill has done little in recruiting as well.

Central Michigan has a lot more talent on the football field. A lot more.

Swing + Miss.

His last 2 classes would be Soph/Junior players. Those are our best players BY FAR. You can argue that this senior class is kind of garbage, but that doesn't make sense either.

We could have won vs. Idaho AND Toledo, but COACHING, not players, ruined the game.

(11-27-2009 04:06 PM)armour248 Wrote:  

(11-27-2009 04:04 PM)sterling1man Wrote:  Mediocrity is a harsh way to define a winning record by a team which probably has one of the lowest budgets in NCAAF 1a?

How is that harsh? We struggled to beat some of the worst teams in the nation and **** the bed at the end of the year. And it appears that Kill can't recruit without getting 1A transfers from Auburn.

with your 2nd string QB and a very young ball club.

(11-27-2009 04:19 PM)Nigel Incubator-Jones Wrote:  Why Jerry Kill was given a contract extension so soon in his administration is a mystery I cannot understand.

I said the same thing the week it happened. I cannot understand what the rush was to resign Kill. He couldn't possible be in demand, and if he were, what's the big loss? Two biggest mysteries this football season, why Kill was given a contract extension mid season, and why Brown carried the ball more for the Idaho and Toledo games than Spann.

LeFouver may be a good QB in the mac but against big programs he looks mediocre. I was at the Arizona game. Arizona has speed defenders and they did not let him throw those sideline patterns. Their backs took all that stuff away and Lefevour was completely lost. He also looked bad against BC.

(11-27-2009 04:19 PM)Nigel Incubator-Jones Wrote:  NIU is not as good as a 7-5 record would suggest. The naysayers can argue with that point all they want, but I know what my eyes show me. Bottom line the level of talent on this football team has deteriorated the last three years. And Jerry Kill has absolute blindspots when it comes to gameday coaching.

If the standard becomes getting to 6-6 every season then we are going to see Huskie Stadium attendance in the 10,000 - 13,000 range on average. And we are also going to see the Comcast TV deal dry up as well.

Why Jerry Kill was given a contract extension so soon in his administration is a mystery I cannot understand. Now we are stuck with Kill. He's not a bad guy, but he is also not the right guy to lead NIU football to the upper reaches of the MAC every year.

You may be correct on some points.
I would like to add that the number of fans watching on T.V. also count.

Additionally for whatever reason we have not been able to match other MAC teams in recruiting, for quite a while.
We seem to be regular over-achievers with minimal talent.

I am in no position to judge Coach Kill.
This game was not as close as the score suggests.
We were outclassed by a far better team and a more seasoned coach.

Ultimately we need to find creative ways to increase fan involvement with our football program.
Having NIU football regular bars in as many places as possible might help.

i am seriously worried about the recruiting situation....

the argument that 3 star athletes dont always turn out and no star athletes occasionlly blossom is an argument made from those not getting 3 star athletes. (its a sour grapes argument and it doesnt fly....its like arguing that you dont care whether the other team scores 14 points before we do bacause there are many games that the team that doesnt score first wins....yeah, true....but not hardly as often. And given the choice, any bright individual will want to be the coach with 14 op points on the board) I want to be the team that has recognized talent come in and then worrry whether they will develope or not. Kill is NOT recruiting to the level of the rest of the teams we need to compete with. If there was any doubt, look at the level of talented freshman on CMU and how dominating that program was today. We came into this year seriously under recruited on the o line....we all saw that....now we only have one verbal? Seriously. (Before youmake the argument that numbers dont mean crap at this point, ask yourself....would you rather be the guy with a multitude of talented verbals at this point or be the guy with one)


I loved the kill hire when it happened but then I liked the World Football League and thought the USFL would revolutionize the NFL....I can admitt when i am wrong. This team won seven games DESPITE what was going on on the sidelines and in the lockerroom. I agree with NIJ, we are aiming at being pathetically average and I have higher aspirations for this program.