TyBull Wrote:

goodknightfl Wrote:what a laugh the 2 worse bcs conf arguing over which one is worse.. a better question should be.. should either of you be auto bid?? correct answer ... NO!!

Yeah, yeah, Yeah and you would do anything to get UCiF into one of these conferences.

i bet because of the bull$hit auto bid, still doesn't change the fact that you guys don't deserve it

It amazing how BE fans were on here pounding their chest after the 2006 season and beginning of the 2007 seeason. As it was stated throughout this thread THINGS HAPPENS, such as coaches leaving, seniors graduations, and juniors leaving early that can impact a team's sucess. 2008 season was not a down year for the BE, as many as their fan try to make everyone believe, it is the type of season everyone envision after the ACC Raid. 2006 was a great year for the BE, in 2005 and 2007 they had average seasons, but just won thier BCS game in which they like to hide behind to cover bad seasons. Maybe this will quieten the CINCY FANS who take shots at the ACC despite not owning a head to head victory over an ACC team since the Raid.

Cool!! The acc drifts downward and further under the SEC shadow. The conference may likely start to drift below the BE and CUSA also. Only a matter of time. Last time this started to happen, the famous raid took place. I guess this must be the plan of action again.

Who would want her now? The ACC is the whore of the BCS

Did you say Notre Dame is the biggest pimp of the BCS?

Hey somebody has to lookout for the "girls". ND knows how to keep a strong hand

The way things are now I don't think the ACC could entice any BE team to join them. However, I think a split of the BE is inevitable. Perhaps Duke and NCU would like to join this new conference. They could once again enjoy a round robin in basketball and still have the luxury of playing in a BCS league.

(02-27-2009 06:18 PM)rodtheman Wrote:  Cool!! The acc drifts downward and further under the SEC shadow. The conference may likely start to drift below the BE and CUSA also. Only a matter of time. Last time this started to happen, the famous raid took place. I guess this must be the plan of action again.

The next ACC plan of action would have to include ND with their football program otherwise the increased television revenue that would warrant the expansion move would not be realized. Rutgers would have to continue with their current success and continue to draw the NYC market or they would be passed over. Given that ND would have to be part of the equation a school with majors ties with ND would have to be invited. Those schools would be Pitt and Syracuse. Pitt has a long FB history with ND and would make a great ACC addition. ND is also in the process of finalizing a long term contract with Cuse for a set of FB games in the NYC. Cuse also has a strong marketing presence in the NYC market with a alumni there. Cuse also provides a travel partner for BC up there on their isolated Boston island market.

Since Syracuse was the expansion school of choice in the last expansion before the Virginia Governor's intervention, I think that, that would make them the primary candidate with ND in the next round of expansion if it were to happen and if ND were to choose to enter a conference for all sports, or was forced into conference affiliation for all sports for numerous reasons that can be floated about. Cuse and ND have good relations, Cuse brings potential NYC visibility, and Cuse helps to fill the void with BC in the Northeastern markets and gives BC a regional travel partner. Pitt and Rutgers would just have to see who ND prefers to bring along with them if they entered the ACC and Cuse was not in the equation. Rutgers would have to maintain its current FB success but I think ND would pull for Pitt in this scenario and put Rutgers as a distant third.

IF ND goes to the B-10, Cuse and Rutgers would make a strong tandem in the NYC market leaving Pitt out of the equation. If ND joins the ACC then Cuse and Rutgers would be strong candidates for the final B-10 slot if they were to go to 12 teams and a championship game. In this scenario Pitt looses out on joining both of these leagues. Pitt need to tie itself to ND's apron strings and hope that ND decides to join the ACC and decides to bring Pitt with them. Any of the above scenarios is a win - win providing the TV revenue increase would justify another round of expansion.

And what if. we formed a real conference with:

Northern Division
Boston College
UConn
Syracuse
Rutgers
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
West Virginia
Louisville

Northern Division
Maryland
Virginia
Virginia Tech
North Carolina
Duke
Georgia Tech
FSU
Miama

We have these sure NCAA BB bids every year:

UConn
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
Louisville
Maryland
North Carolina
Duke
Georgia Tech

and these BB teams that will often content for BB bids in many years:

Boston College
Cincinnati
West Virginia
Virginia
FSU
Miami

We have these for football bowl teams that will be bowl eligible most years:

Boston College
UConn
Rutgers
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
West Virginia
Louisville
Maryland
Virginia Tech
North Carolina
Georgia Tech
FSU
Miama

This is better than the current BE or ACC or any version where they raid each other! It is a 16 team super all-sports conference that is better than the ACC, BE, SEC, B10, B12, PAC10, MWC, CUSA, WAC ir anything else!

(04-02-2009 10:07 PM)antayat Wrote:  The way things are now I don't think the ACC could entice any BE team to join them. However, I think a split of the BE is inevitable. Perhaps Duke and NCU would like to join this new conference. They could once again enjoy a round robin in basketball and still have the luxury of playing in a BCS league.

If a split is inevitable, then any BE school would join the ACC in a heartbeat...

hmmm...stability vs. instability

you're saying BE schools prefer instability

(06-23-2008 04:34 PM)Soaring Eagle Wrote:  The only way the ACC goes past 12 is if Notre Dame is involved and the other school would probably be Syracuse.

On a side note Southern Miss petitioned for ACC membership back in 1947.

UAB in the ACC

BTW the ACC was formed in 1953.

(06-03-2007 08:21 AM)South Tampa Knight Wrote:  I'm trying to figure out if it is funny or just sad that ECU fans consistantly beg on message boards to be brought into other conferences, Big East, ACC and SEC.

If there were ever a conference that would not want ECU, is would have to be the ACC. Do you really think the ACC needs a fourth school in North Carolina?

Lot's of UCF folks on various boards pimping your school too so pot meet kettle.

Hey genius, the ACC already has four schools in North Carolina. That Central Florida education is very impressive.

(04-04-2007 10:24 PM)Guest Wrote:  

frogman Wrote:Wake up call.
When I think of Football I think of the SEC as does the rest of the world.
ACC football has always been a joke and was in danger of losing its automatic BCS bid when they decided to raid the big east. Swofford's deal was bad. Miami was slipping before leaving the BE and V.Tech was one Vick brother away from slipping back to nothingness. BC has never won anything in the BE in BB or FB. Never. In fact, when the BE put three teams in the NCAA final four (an unmatched NCAA record) the only other eilte eight team that could have made it and failed was, you guessed it- Boston College. We could have had four- but noooooo BC messed it up for everybody. BC is doing better in the ACC then they have ever done in the BE. VT basketball was a doormat in the BE, they also seem to be killing you guys. The move was good for them.
When we think of basketball its time for rethinking.
If you look at the current make up of the conferences, the Big East has 7 NCAA title holders. G'town (1), Syr (1), Uconn(2), Villanova(1), Marquette (1), Louisville (2) and Cincy (2).
The ACC has four title holders North Carolina (4), Duke (3), NC State (2) and Maryland (1)
Big east has 7 former champions. The ACC has 4. Heck, the SEC has 3 Fla (1), Kentucky (6) and Ark (1). That right. Kentucky by itself is only one NCAA crown short of Duke and North Carolina combined.
Of course, UCLA has 12 NCAA crowns by itself. That's more than the entire ACC (10) or the Big East (10).
The big east added champions and big names and big markets in BB in Louisville, Cincy, Depaul and marquette. Home grown teams have revived like Georgetown and we have upstarts like West Virginia- ask Wake Forest and Chris Paul about West Virginia three-point shooting.
So just what makes ACC basketball so special? Yea, there have been a few great years for two of your teams. But those years, Like UM football, have come and gone. North Carolina was impressive this year overall, but this was a down year for the ACC in both FB and BB. How many down years does it take before people say your conference sucks? You were supposed to be the superconference. What happened?
The BE had a great year in FB and not to shabby in BB frankly, because we work hard. V Tech football was built in the BE. Now W. Vir and USF are being built under BE ethics.
Boston College BB is one Dudley away from returning to being Boston College, the founding member BE team that never even won the BE tournament. Not once in over 25 years.
Look, only the ACC fans are clamoring over the ACC. As a Big East fan. I'm getting over the raid because it's looking like the ACC shot itself in the foot and got rid of some BE teams that were on their way down anyways. Northeastern kids are no longer looking to play in the ACC like Kenny Anderson, Mulbury and a host of others did. They can now look at the BE, Madison Square Garden and more NCAA title holders than any other conference. The BE upgraded in BB.
ACC football is not going to outrecruit the SEC in the south.
By firing it's coach, UM is back to ground one and has to build a program in talent rich Florida competing with Fla. State, Fla. and now USF- which is also in a legit BCS conference.
P.S. no ACC FB team finished last year in the top 12 and probably won't start this year in the top 12. The BE had three that finished in the top 12.
Tell me again why I'm thinking of the ACC in football?
Swofford gave up BB for FB and now has neither.
Honestly, as a Big East fan, I bore with debating ACC folks. You have fallen below the BE radar. I looking for much better fish to fry. I'm moving on. See ya.

This is the most garbage I've read...I just wasted 4 minutes of my life reading this long message of hate and jealousy

Yeah.....I think of the SEC also.

(09-04-2007 09:04 AM)frogman Wrote:  

People Champion Wrote:UM,s Dynasty run began in 1977 under Lou Saban. Top recruits have been coming to UM every since that time. Even when UM was on probation, top recruits still signed with them. You need to learn the atmosphere of College Football in Florida before you make stupid statements. The Big 3 rise as Elite teams began in the late 70's. That is almost 30 years of winning tradition and putting players into the NFL. What make you think an 11 year old program that only being playing D-1A for 7 years, will leapfrog anyone of the Big 3 team? Even Jim Leavitt is not ready for USF to be considered part of the Big 4. Once he publicly admit that USF is in the Big 4, the honeymoon is over. The sport media and fans will demand that USF will be included in the NC or bust expectations that the Big 3 have.

By now- with FSU's lost to Clemson, you can't beleive there is a big 3 in FLorida. FSU hasn't been BIG for over ten years and their hopes for a national championship are already over for this year. Things are changing. FSU now has a tradition of failure.
You seem like one of those guys who believe tradition is more important than hard work. Ask Appalanchia State about work vs tradition.
An 11 year old program can be at the top of the heap with the right coach and right players. DOn't take my word for it-- just keep watching.

You're a wittness of a new tradition of excellence being born right before your eyes. DOn't miss the future because you're looking at the past.

I take it you mean Appalachian State ............not Appalachia State

I wonder what frog have to say now. An average VT beat a great Cincy team in the BCS Bowl. You can not hide behind BCS bowls wins from the conference champion. Just look at that :puke:2006 season now.

(08-17-2009 09:14 PM)People Champion Wrote:  I wonder what frog have to say now. An average VT beat a great Cincy team in the BCS Bowl. You can not hide behind BCS bowls wins from the conference champion. Just look at that :puke:2006 season now.

WOnder no further my little friend. Here's what I have to say albeit a few months later.

With the win over Cincy, the ACC champion has won a total of two BCS games since the inception of the BCS. Since the raid on the BE the BE champion has won three BCS titles knocking off the SEC champ (georgia) the B12 Champ (Oklahoma) and the ACC champ (Wake Forest). That means that the BE has won more BCS games since the raid than the ACC has won in the entire history of the BCS.
And to top it off, one of your BCS wins required the help of a team you raided from the BE. A team you didn't even really want but now dominates your conference.

Bragging over a win over newbie Cincy- he ACC should be proud.

(10-03-2009 02:06 PM)frogman Wrote:  

(08-17-2009 09:14 PM)People Champion Wrote:  I wonder what frog have to say now. An average VT beat a great Cincy team in the BCS Bowl. You can not hide behind BCS bowls wins from the conference champion. Just look at that :puke:2006 season now.

WOnder no further my little friend. Here's what I have to say albeit a few months later.

With the win over Cincy, the ACC champion has won a total of two BCS games since the inception of the BCS. Since the raid on the BE the BE champion has won three BCS titles knocking off the SEC champ (georgia) the B12 Champ (Oklahoma) and the ACC champ (Wake Forest). That means that the BE has won more BCS games since the raid than the ACC has won in the entire history of the BCS.
And to top it off, one of your BCS wins required the help of a team you raided from the BE. A team you didn't even really want but now dominates your conference.

Bragging over a win over newbie Cincy- he ACC should be proud.

Well said, well said indeed...

the acc expansion did not really help football, and in fact hurt basketball. Right now, i would consider the whole conference in decline. one or two teams strong at the top, and the balance quite poor.

Why don't you enlighten us on the strength and balance of C-USA?

(10-03-2009 02:06 PM)frogman Wrote:  

(08-17-2009 09:14 PM)People Champion Wrote:  I wonder what frog have to say now. An average VT beat a great Cincy team in the BCS Bowl. You can not hide behind BCS bowls wins from the conference champion. Just look at that :puke:2006 season now.

WOnder no further my little friend. Here's what I have to say albeit a few months later.

With the win over Cincy, the ACC champion has won a total of two BCS games since the inception of the BCS. Since the raid on the BE the BE champion has won three BCS titles knocking off the SEC champ (georgia) the B12 Champ (Oklahoma) and the ACC champ (Wake Forest). That means that the BE has won more BCS games since the raid than the ACC has won in the entire history of the BCS.
And to top it off, one of your BCS wins required the help of a team you raided from the BE. A team you didn't even really want but now dominates your conference.

Bragging over a win over newbie Cincy- he ACC should be proud.

Can you please brag or boast about what Cuse did since the expansion/raid? Cuse does not own a BCS win, UL, and WVU owns those wins. Please quit riding the coattails of another team, it is all about what your team did.