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ObamaDebacle in Moscow
Oct 18, 2009 22:37 | Updated Oct 19, 2009 17:09

Debacle in Moscow

By CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER


About the only thing more comical than Barack Obama's Nobel Peace Prize was the reaction of those who deemed the award "premature," as if the brilliance of Obama's foreign policy is so self-evident and its success so assured that if only the Norway had waited a few years, his Nobel worthiness would have been universally acknowledged.

To believe this, you have to be a dreamy adolescent (preferably Scandinavian and a member of the Socialist International) or an indiscriminate imbiber of White House talking points. After all, this was precisely the spin on the president's various apology tours through Europe and the Middle East: National self-denigration - excuse me, outreach and understanding - is not meant to yield immediate results; it simply plants the seeds of good feeling from which foreign policy successes shall come.

Chauncey Gardiner could not have said it better. Well, at nine months, let's review.

What's come from Obama holding his tongue while Iranian demonstrators were being shot and from his recognizing the legitimacy of a thug regime illegitimately returned to power in a fraudulent election? Iran cracks down even more mercilessly on the opposition and races ahead with its nuclear program.

What's come from Secretary of State Hillary Clinton taking human rights off the table on a visit to China and from Obama's shameful refusal to see the Dalai Lama (a postponement, we are told). China hasn't moved an inch on North Korea, Iran or human rights. Indeed it's pushing with Russia to dethrone the dollar as the world's reserve currency.

What's come from the new-respect-for-Muslims Cairo speech and the unprecedented pressure on Israel for a total settlement freeze? "The settlement push backfired," reports The Washington Post, and Arab-Israeli peace prospects have "arguably regressed."

And what's come from Obama's single most dramatic foreign policy stroke - the sudden abrogation of missile defense arrangements with Poland and the Czech Republic that Russia had virulently opposed?

For the East Europeans it was a crushing blow, a gratuitous restoration of Russian influence over a region that thought it had regained independence under American protection.

BUT MAYBE not gratuitous. Surely we got something in return for selling out our friends. Some brilliant secret trade-off to get strong Russian support for stopping Iran from going nuclear before it's too late?

Just wait and see, said administration officials, who then gleefully played up an oblique statement by President Dmitry Medvedev a week later as vindication of the missile defense betrayal.

The Russian statement was so equivocal that such a claim seemed a ridiculous stretch at the time. Well, Clinton went to Moscow last week to nail down the deal. What did she get?

"Russia not budging on Iran sanctions: Clinton unable to sway counterpart." Such was The Washington Post headline's succinct summary of the debacle.

Note how thoroughly Clinton was rebuffed. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov declared that "threats, sanctions and threats of pressure" are "counterproductive." Note: It's not just sanctions that are worse than useless, but even the threat of mere pressure.

It gets worse. Having failed to get any movement from the Russians, Clinton herself moved - to accommodate the Russian position! Sanctions? What sanctions? "We are not at that point yet," she averred. "That is not a conclusion we have reached... it is our preference that Iran work with the international community."

But wait a minute. Didn't Obama say in July that Iran had to show compliance by the G-20 summit in late September? And when that deadline passed, did he not then warn Iran that it would face "sanctions that have bite" and that it would have to take "a new course or face consequences"?

Gone with the wind. It's the US that's now retreating from its already flimsy position of just three weeks ago. We're not doing sanctions now, you see. We're back to engagement. Just as the Russians suggest.

HENRY KISSINGER once said that the main job of Anatoly Dobrynin, the perennial Soviet ambassador to Washington, was to tell the Kremlin leadership that whenever they received a proposal from the United States that appeared disadvantageous to the United States, not to assume it was a trick.

No need for a Dobrynin today. The Russian leadership, hardly believing its luck, needs no interpreter to understand that when the Obama team clownishly rushes in bearing gifts and "reset" buttons, there is nothing ulterior, diabolical, clever or even serious behind it. It is amateurishness, wrapped in naivete, inside credulity. In short, the very stuff of Nobels.

Charles Krauthammer is a syndicated Washington Post columnist.
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Barack Obama will make Jimmy Carter look like Ronald Reagan.
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(10-19-2009 03:31 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Barack Obama will make Jimmy Carter look like Ronald Reagan.

He already makes my cat look like Einstein.
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(10-19-2009 08:43 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(10-19-2009 03:31 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Barack Obama will make Jimmy Carter look like Ronald Reagan.

He already makes my cat look like Einstein.
You make a rock look intelligent.

As for the "story", what we have is a Republican writing a biased opinion. Spin, spin, and more spin.
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Dead on by Krautheimer. Nice use of the Chauncey Gardiner analogy.
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(10-20-2009 11:49 AM)I45owl Wrote:  Dead on by Krautheimer. Nice use of the Chauncey Gardiner analogy.

I beat him to that. Been using it since the primaries.
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(10-20-2009 02:26 AM)RobertN Wrote:  As for the "story", what we have is a Republican writing a biased opinion. Spin, spin, and more spin.

What part is not true?
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(10-20-2009 12:25 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(10-20-2009 02:26 AM)RobertN Wrote:  As for the "story", what we have is a Republican writing a biased opinion. Spin, spin, and more spin.

What part is not true?
All of it.
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(10-20-2009 12:55 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(10-20-2009 12:25 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(10-20-2009 02:26 AM)RobertN Wrote:  As for the "story", what we have is a Republican writing a biased opinion. Spin, spin, and more spin.

What part is not true?
All of it.

Amazing! So you're saying Obama did not win the Nobel Prize, did not tour Europe and the Middle East, Hillary Clinton is not the Sec of State, and all the quotes in the story are completely fabricated?
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And let us not forget that Russia, after all the kowtowing by The Fathers Administration to them, now boast that they have a NEW MISSILE that is "6 Times Faster" than anything flying at the present time. (6 Times Faster is the figure I heard so if it is wrong, I am just repeating what I heard)

That is an EXCELLENT START to zeroing out all the Nuclear Weapons in the World and we all know that since The Father has won the Nobel Peace Prize, this news out of Moscow regarding their new super fast missile, must just be hype and BS.

Good job Mr. TOTUS .... you have made Jimmy Carter very very happy you weak nob of a sperm.

OK Robs, lets hear your standard Sharia Chanting about this new development in Moscow.

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Obama can do no wrong. Did you guys not get the memo. Geeezzz 03-melodramatic
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(10-20-2009 01:46 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Obama can do no wrong. Did you guys not get the memo. Geeezzz 03-melodramatic

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(10-20-2009 11:54 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(10-20-2009 11:49 AM)I45owl Wrote:  Dead on by Krautheimer. Nice use of the Chauncey Gardiner analogy.

I beat him to that. Been using it since the primaries.

I thought I had seen Chauncy Gardiner mentioned somewhere recently. Somehow it only struck a nerve in CK's article.
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(10-20-2009 01:35 PM)Tripster Wrote:  .

And let us not forget that Russia, after all the kowtowing by The Fathers Administration to them, now boast that they have a NEW MISSILE that is "6 Times Faster" than anything flying at the present time. (6 Times Faster is the figure I heard so if it is wrong, I am just repeating what I heard)

That is an EXCELLENT START to zeroing out all the Nuclear Weapons in the World and we all know that since The Father has won the Nobel Peace Prize, this news out of Moscow regarding their new super fast missile, must just be hype and BS.

Good job Mr. TOTUS .... you have made Jimmy Carter very very happy you weak nob of a sperm.

OK Robs, lets hear your standard Sharia Chanting about this new development in Moscow.

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I think we should actually just nuke them. Sure, they would hit back and end up killing everything on earth(except for roaches) but hey, at least we showed that we have the balls to do it! Oh wait, that is the Trippy plan.
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(10-20-2009 01:46 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Obama can do no wrong. Did you guys not get the memo. Geeezzz 03-melodramatic
05-offtopic What is it? It is one of the Marshall props getting paid $30/hour to walk around in a costume. They figured that they couldn't get away with paying $25/hour for janitorial services anymore so they would try something new.
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(10-21-2009 02:26 AM)RobertN Wrote:  
(10-20-2009 01:35 PM)Tripster Wrote:  .

And let us not forget that Russia, after all the kowtowing by The Fathers Administration to them, now boast that they have a NEW MISSILE that is "6 Times Faster" than anything flying at the present time. (6 Times Faster is the figure I heard so if it is wrong, I am just repeating what I heard)

That is an EXCELLENT START to zeroing out all the Nuclear Weapons in the World and we all know that since The Father has won the Nobel Peace Prize, this news out of Moscow regarding their new super fast missile, must just be hype and BS.

Good job Mr. TOTUS .... you have made Jimmy Carter very very happy you weak nob of a sperm.

OK Robs, lets hear your standard Sharia Chanting about this new development in Moscow.

.
I think we should actually just nuke them. Sure, they would hit back and end up killing everything on earth(except for roaches) but hey, at least we showed that we have the balls to do it! Oh wait, that is the Trippy plan.

You're such a low life form, I'm convinced you would survive too. Just Robert and the cockroaches scuttling around. Would you have to depend on them to gather your food for you?
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(10-21-2009 08:52 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  
(10-21-2009 02:26 AM)RobertN Wrote:  
(10-20-2009 01:35 PM)Tripster Wrote:  .

And let us not forget that Russia, after all the kowtowing by The Fathers Administration to them, now boast that they have a NEW MISSILE that is "6 Times Faster" than anything flying at the present time. (6 Times Faster is the figure I heard so if it is wrong, I am just repeating what I heard)

That is an EXCELLENT START to zeroing out all the Nuclear Weapons in the World and we all know that since The Father has won the Nobel Peace Prize, this news out of Moscow regarding their new super fast missile, must just be hype and BS.

Good job Mr. TOTUS .... you have made Jimmy Carter very very happy you weak nob of a sperm.

OK Robs, lets hear your standard Sharia Chanting about this new development in Moscow.

.
I think we should actually just nuke them. Sure, they would hit back and end up killing everything on earth(except for roaches) but hey, at least we showed that we have the balls to do it! Oh wait, that is the Trippy plan.

You're such a low life form, I'm convinced you would survive too. Just Robert and the cockroaches scuttling around. Would you have to depend on them to gather your food for you?
I think you are a low life form too. You think that killing and violence are the way to solve the worlds problems and that violence makes you a man.
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(10-21-2009 01:25 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(10-21-2009 08:52 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  
(10-21-2009 02:26 AM)RobertN Wrote:  
(10-20-2009 01:35 PM)Tripster Wrote:  .

And let us not forget that Russia, after all the kowtowing by The Fathers Administration to them, now boast that they have a NEW MISSILE that is "6 Times Faster" than anything flying at the present time. (6 Times Faster is the figure I heard so if it is wrong, I am just repeating what I heard)

That is an EXCELLENT START to zeroing out all the Nuclear Weapons in the World and we all know that since The Father has won the Nobel Peace Prize, this news out of Moscow regarding their new super fast missile, must just be hype and BS.

Good job Mr. TOTUS .... you have made Jimmy Carter very very happy you weak nob of a sperm.

OK Robs, lets hear your standard Sharia Chanting about this new development in Moscow.

.
I think we should actually just nuke them. Sure, they would hit back and end up killing everything on earth(except for roaches) but hey, at least we showed that we have the balls to do it! Oh wait, that is the Trippy plan.

You're such a low life form, I'm convinced you would survive too. Just Robert and the cockroaches scuttling around. Would you have to depend on them to gather your food for you?
I think you are a low life form too. You think that killing and violence are the way to solve the worlds problems and that violence makes you a man.

Please provide some posts of mine to support your assumption. I know you wouldn't be stereotyping, since that is something only those on the right do, correct?
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(10-21-2009 02:26 AM)RobertN Wrote:  I think we should actually just nuke them. Sure, they would hit back and end up killing everything on earth(except for roaches) but hey, at least we showed that we have the balls to do it! Oh wait, that is the Trippy plan.

Hey Robs, we aren't the Nation with a "BRAND NEW MISSILE" that can strike us "6 Times Faster" than we can strike them back.

Obama is the Peace Prize winner so this New Russian Missile should NOT be a reality right ?????

I mean almost all of us will die anyway if the Big Boom Boom happens, but the gist of this is that The Father was supposed to be the Guardian of Peace and would end all strife in the World ..... seems like he is falling short on this part of his job as well.

But he is YOUR kinda guy though ......

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(10-21-2009 01:25 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(10-21-2009 08:52 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  
(10-21-2009 02:26 AM)RobertN Wrote:  
(10-20-2009 01:35 PM)Tripster Wrote:  .

And let us not forget that Russia, after all the kowtowing by The Fathers Administration to them, now boast that they have a NEW MISSILE that is "6 Times Faster" than anything flying at the present time. (6 Times Faster is the figure I heard so if it is wrong, I am just repeating what I heard)

That is an EXCELLENT START to zeroing out all the Nuclear Weapons in the World and we all know that since The Father has won the Nobel Peace Prize, this news out of Moscow regarding their new super fast missile, must just be hype and BS.

Good job Mr. TOTUS .... you have made Jimmy Carter very very happy you weak nob of a sperm.

OK Robs, lets hear your standard Sharia Chanting about this new development in Moscow.

.
I think we should actually just nuke them. Sure, they would hit back and end up killing everything on earth(except for roaches) but hey, at least we showed that we have the balls to do it! Oh wait, that is the Trippy plan.

You're such a low life form, I'm convinced you would survive too. Just Robert and the cockroaches scuttling around. Would you have to depend on them to gather your food for you?
I think you are a low life form too. You think that killing and violence are the way to solve the worlds problems and that violence makes you a man.

Violence doesn't solve the world's problems, any military guy will tell you that. Instead, it's the power you project that helps with diplomacy. Why do you think NK is building a bomb? I'm sure they know they'll be blown to bits if they use it, so it's a bargaining chip. Clinton gave them tons of stuff based on chips like that so they have no reason to not do it.

BTW, how many people died from our violence compared to the violence of Muslim fanatics? Sorry, but killing a cockroach is a violent act.
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