I don't know where you guys have been, hiding under your desks, I suppose.

Tort Reform!!!!

Here is an editorial I came across from Sen. John Cornyn (R -TX): The Baucus bill will increase costs for everyone. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said the bill will cost $829 billion, but when it's fully implemented, the Senate Budget Committee estimates the real cost to be $1.8 trillion. Either way, it would still leave 25 million Americans uninsured, impose billions of dollars in new taxes and mandates, and cut more than $400 billion from Medicare. It would take away Medicare Advantage benefits from seniors, and make Medicaid the only option for 14 million Americans. The bill also imposes hidden costs on states. My colleagues and I offered several amendments that would have improved the bill. We fought to protect Medicare Advantage, and eliminate the Medicare panel that would empower bureaucrats to make coverage decisions. We tried to reform Medicaid before forcing more Americans into it. We sought to lower costs on small businesses, and enact meaningful medical liability reform. Many of our amendments would have helped President Obama keep his promises to the American people, including those related to keeping what you have, taxes on the middle class, federal funding of abortions, and benefits to illegal immigrants. Yet most of these amendments were rejected on party-line votes...


IF YOU DARE TO READ SOMETHING WHICH DOES NOT COME FROM THE HUFFINGTON POST

(10-14-2009 05:32 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(10-14-2009 05:24 PM)uhmump95 Wrote:  Taxes - Anything that keeps me from filing taxes is good. I just hope this doesn't end up being like the windmill in Animal Farm.

As for this, I'm a Fair Tax supporter and neither of the douchbag parties entertain it in any substantial amount.

Of course not...It takes away some of their power to steal. I'm with you...I support Fair Tax theft over what we currently have. YOU would be in control of how and when the theft occurred instead of faceless,useless bureaucrats.
Imagine the economic growth that would occur when people suddenly got back into their pockets what these thieves have been pilfering.

(10-14-2009 03:11 PM)BGSUalum1987 Wrote:  Honestly, I'm not trying to incite a riot. I know that Obama has provided a lot of fodder for the GOP to attack. But I haven't heard of any major proposals from that side of the aisle.

The minority party usually has a few pieces of legislation that they try to muscle through. What is the GOP leading with on its agenda?

.....MUSCLE THROUGH? BGSU are you serious? They can not muscle through ANYTHING they don't have 60 votes in the Senate. The Dems have the -60- votes. The Dems can not do what they really want because too many of them will lose their job if their legislation is passed.

Do you realize the Dems have proposed not -1- but -2- of the largest tax increases in American history and have done that in the depths of the biggest economic contraction since the 1930's.? The economy can NOT have LONG TERM growth in an environment of higher taxes and RADICALLY HIGHER taxes at that.


With regard to what has the GOP proposed. Well hells bells I hope NO ONE does a damn thing. If we could give each congressman $2million a year and all the booze & broads they wanted , we would be better off as a people. The government that governs least governs best. If they would just sit there and play cards I would be better off definitely less risk of them attacking my wallet.

..... Defend the people , protect the people and enforce the laws.

Ladies and Gentlemen, we are now in the age of getting even. We will be here for 10 years.

(10-14-2009 10:27 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  

(10-14-2009 03:11 PM)BGSUalum1987 Wrote:  Honestly, I'm not trying to incite a riot. I know that Obama has provided a lot of fodder for the GOP to attack. But I haven't heard of any major proposals from that side of the aisle.

The minority party usually has a few pieces of legislation that they try to muscle through. What is the GOP leading with on its agenda?

.....MUSCLE THROUGH? BGSU are you serious? They can not muscle through ANYTHING they don't have 60 votes in the Senate.

NIU05: Please note that I said TRY to muscle through. Usually, this sort of thing is mostly symbolic, an effort by the minority party to show the voting public that they have good ideas and would implement them if the majority party would just get out of the way.

I understand the math. As I see it, though, the math leaves the GOP with two options.

1) Become an obstructionist party whose platform is anchored in "We're Not Obama" and attempting to thwart any legislation.

2) Establish a clear agenda to show the American people what the alternative to the current administration would look like. Pick out two or three key issues and show the American people that you are ready to lead the country.

Unfortunately, they have chosen #1. It's a path similar to the one the Democrats took about 6 years ago.

(10-15-2009 07:33 AM)BGSUalum1987 Wrote:  

(10-14-2009 10:27 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  

(10-14-2009 03:11 PM)BGSUalum1987 Wrote:  Honestly, I'm not trying to incite a riot. I know that Obama has provided a lot of fodder for the GOP to attack. But I haven't heard of any major proposals from that side of the aisle.
The minority party usually has a few pieces of legislation that they try to muscle through. What is the GOP leading with on its agenda?

.....MUSCLE THROUGH? BGSU are you serious? They can not muscle through ANYTHING they don't have 60 votes in the Senate.

NIU05: Please note that I said TRY to muscle through. Usually, this sort of thing is mostly symbolic, an effort by the minority party to show the voting public that they have good ideas and would implement them if the majority party would just get out of the way.
I understand the math. As I see it, though, the math leaves the GOP with two options.
1) Become an obstructionist party whose platform is anchored in "We're Not Obama" and attempting to thwart any legislation.
2) Establish a clear agenda to show the American people what the alternative to the current administration would look like. Pick out two or three key issues and show the American people that you are ready to lead the country.
Unfortunately, they have chosen #1. It's a path similar to the one the Democrats took about 6 years ago.

Yes, and as long as it's just a battle between "We are Obama" and "We're not Obama" then I have nobody to cheer for.

Scary thought--six years of "We're not Bush" ultimately landed Obama, Reid, and Pelosi in power. If "We're not Obama" succeeds (and given where we're headed there's a good chance it will ultimately), what on earth do we have to look forward to? We've gone from bad to worse. Could it possibly get even worse?

I've always thought the GOP should pick a right leaning State, and with the state's support, use it is a proving ground for Conservative politics.

Sort of like how the Liberals have Minnesota / wink.

Say, for instance that Montana comes along, and with GOP support enacts some sort of the following initiatives:

1. Low corporate taxes like South Dakota, no income tax like Delaware, no sales tax on essential items like Minnesota etc.
2a. I am not for this personally, but pass conservative laws surrounding social issues - abortion, gay marriage etc.
2b. Or, and speaking in generalities, pass laws saying you can do whatever the hell you want, as long as it doesn't hurt kids or animals.
3. Fully support and enforce the Constitution, including 2nd Amendment laws etc.
4. Reduce the police state and DHS commitments, streamline airport security checks etc.
5. Keep costs low for recreational, fishing and hunting permits, state park access etc.
6. And have the State government concentrate on two things only - Public Safety (police and fire) Education (make sure there are enough schools and teachers.) Everything else should be decided by local municipalities, towns and cities.

There are a ton of more things I can think of and would support, but maybe the problem is too many things the government can get there hand on and over-regulate.

Note the over in over-regulate, this state can't become some sort of dumping ground for waste or pollution, or lax employment laws etc. There is a line that can be supported for regulation.

I do think this would be one hell of a Grand Experiment.

(10-14-2009 04:51 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

Die Quickly

Like I said in another Topic, I would take your version of the Republican Health Plan over the Loony Libs any day of the year.

It would be better to "Die Quickly" than to "Linger On In Great Pain & Suffering" under the Loony Leftist Marxist Health System.

A "Swift and Painless Death" beats the hell outta what you nut job Leftist are trying to shove down our gullets with your 'Nuclear Option Crap'.

The Left's Health Care garbage is so bad and unwanted by the Majority of the Populace, that the Leftist have to resort to Unconstitutional and Illegal Means of Forcing this Really Nonexistent Bill thru the Full Congress. It is shameful and it IS going to bite them in buttocks real bad come next year.

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(10-14-2009 05:03 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The democrats are foisting a bunch of terrible ideas on us, the republicans have a golden opportunity to offer alternatives, and they are doing ... exactly nothing.

Yes, it's hard to get your message out when you are being screwed by the media establishment, but they aren't even putting out anything worthwhile through friendly outlets like Fox.

The Obama agenda simply has to blow up in their faces at some point. There is just no way that it can work. But it wasn't designed to work; it was designed to pull in 51% of the vote. If the republicans don't have any alternatives to offer at that point, then God help us all. And so far, it looks to me like the republicans are doing a good job of not having any alternatives at any point.

It seems so simple to me.

Health care--Adopt the French plan and be done and dusted.

Energy--Basically the Paris Hilton approach. Drill here, drill now, tax it (with offsetting tax relief elsewhere to save the economy), use the net tax revenues to develop infrastructure to facilitate conservation, and carrot-and-stick the oil companies into reinvesting their profits in alternatives.

Economy--Balance the budget, cut imports (primarily by cutting oil imports), and grow exports. Become a creditor nation again.

Mideast--(1) Iraq--split it into three countries--Kurdistan (can run themselves), Sunni west (give it to the Saudis), and the Shia Mesopotamian valley (turn over to the UN). Leave. (2) Israel/Palestinians--Figure out how much Egypt wants for turning over enough of the Sinai to give the Palestinians a real homeland, and write the check. Figure out how much it will cost to make that a truly livable area, and write that check. Offer the Arab world the Tom Clancy plan--Jerusalem becomes an open city in exchange for Arab recognition of Israel's right to exist. (3) Afghanistan--Kill bin Laden. Kill Mullah Omar. Kill all their henchmen. Leave. (4) Iran. Let Israel nuke 'em.

Taxes--Adopt the 15-15-15 approach. Social security, business profits, and VAT. No personal income tax, no 1040, no April 15, much smaller IRS that obeys the constitution.

Where am I wrong?

I don't really see any part of your posting that is Wrong.

I can't honestly disagree with any part of your point of view and it seems to be such a Simple and Logical way to move into.

But that is exactly where it gets lost on the Congress and especially the White House, they can't digest Common Sense so they opt for foolishness that is harmful and in some cases, even Hateful just to thwart the "Other Side".

It almost seems like nothing more than a 'Power Grab' than real and honest Legislation.

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(10-15-2009 08:20 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Yes, and as long as it's just a battle between "We are Obama" and "We're not Obama" then I have nobody to cheer for.

Exactly.

(10-15-2009 08:20 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Scary thought--six years of "We're not Bush" ultimately landed Obama, Reid, and Pelosi in power. If "We're not Obama" succeeds (and given where we're headed there's a good chance it will ultimately), what on earth do we have to look forward to? We've gone from bad to worse. Could it possibly get even worse?

It can ALWAYS get worse. And if the results of Obama-mania scare you, then you should be scared of the backlash effect. Reactive politics have their place, but over-reacting rarely works in any venue.

(10-15-2009 08:20 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-15-2009 07:33 AM)BGSUalum1987 Wrote:  

(10-14-2009 10:27 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  

(10-14-2009 03:11 PM)BGSUalum1987 Wrote:  Honestly, I'm not trying to incite a riot. I know that Obama has provided a lot of fodder for the GOP to attack. But I haven't heard of any major proposals from that side of the aisle.
The minority party usually has a few pieces of legislation that they try to muscle through. What is the GOP leading with on its agenda?

.....MUSCLE THROUGH? BGSU are you serious? They can not muscle through ANYTHING they don't have 60 votes in the Senate.

NIU05: Please note that I said TRY to muscle through. Usually, this sort of thing is mostly symbolic, an effort by the minority party to show the voting public that they have good ideas and would implement them if the majority party would just get out of the way.
I understand the math. As I see it, though, the math leaves the GOP with two options.
1) Become an obstructionist party whose platform is anchored in "We're Not Obama" and attempting to thwart any legislation.
2) Establish a clear agenda to show the American people what the alternative to the current administration would look like. Pick out two or three key issues and show the American people that you are ready to lead the country.
Unfortunately, they have chosen #1. It's a path similar to the one the Democrats took about 6 years ago.

Yes, and as long as it's just a battle between "We are Obama" and "We're not Obama" then I have nobody to cheer for.

Scary thought--six years of "We're not Bush" ultimately landed Obama, Reid, and Pelosi in power. If "We're not Obama" succeeds (and given where we're headed there's a good chance it will ultimately), what on earth do we have to look forward to? We've gone from bad to worse. Could it possibly get even worse?

(10-15-2009 08:53 AM)Tripster Wrote:  

(10-14-2009 04:51 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

Die Quickly

Like I said in another Topic, I would take your version of the Republican Health Plan over the Loony Libs any day of the year.

It would be better to "Die Quickly" than to "Linger On In Great Pain & Suffering" under the Loony Leftist Marxist Health System.

A "Swift and Painless Death" beats the hell outta what you nut job Leftist are trying to shove down our gullets with your 'Nuclear Option Crap'.

The Left's Health Care garbage is so bad and unwanted by the Majority of the Populace, that the Leftist have to resort to Unconstitutional and Illegal Means of Forcing this Really Nonexistent Bill thru the Full Congress. It is shameful and it IS going to bite them in buttocks real bad come next year.

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Trip, I always knew you were a secret fan of Obama. I like the picture of him you put in your sig.

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People are SICK of hearing the Term or Title of Republican .....

We need to become "Conservatives" once again and not hamstring our selves to a Party and wait for the Party to dig us out of the hole.

Even Fox News won't bolster Republicans, but they Uphold True Conservatives with gusto.

This SHOULD be about Conservatism and NOT ABOUT some Political Party - - that is where We Conservatives are messing up at.

Pretty simple thing to be so hard to do.

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(10-14-2009 05:03 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  (2) Israel/Palestinians--Figure out how much Egypt wants for turning over enough of the Sinai to give the Palestinians a real homeland, and write the check. Figure out how much it will cost to make that a truly livable area, and write that check. Offer the Arab world the Tom Clancy plan--Jerusalem becomes an open city in exchange for Arab recognition of Israel's right to exist.

This would unequivocally put the responsibility for the ultimate failure of a Palestinian state on the Palestinians themselves. But, I still think it would fail.

(10-14-2009 05:24 PM)uhmump95 Wrote:  (2) Isn't taking land from one group and giving it to another what got us in this mess to begin with?

The problem has never been about what land one group of people doesn't have for themselves. It's always been about the land that the other people have got. And, by "problem", I mean the irrational behavior of the Palestinians. I am skeptical that the Palestinians would ultimately accept the presence of Israel regardless of what incentives they receive and ultimately squander.

(10-15-2009 09:18 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  Trip, I always knew you were a secret fan of Obama. I like the picture of him you put in your sig.

That happens to be Sisyphus, whom Hades damned to push that stone up that mountain for all eternity just so when he got it to the top, it would fall back down to the bottom and Sisyphus would have to start all over again.

We Conservatives are Sisyphus and Obama is Hades and that is the Point of My Sig.

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(10-15-2009 07:33 AM)BGSUalum1987 Wrote:  

(10-14-2009 10:27 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  

(10-14-2009 03:11 PM)BGSUalum1987 Wrote:  Honestly, I'm not trying to incite a riot. I know that Obama has provided a lot of fodder for the GOP to attack. But I haven't heard of any major proposals from that side of the aisle.

The minority party usually has a few pieces of legislation that they try to muscle through. What is the GOP leading with on its agenda?

.....MUSCLE THROUGH? BGSU are you serious? They can not muscle through ANYTHING they don't have 60 votes in the Senate.

NIU05: Please note that I said TRY to muscle through. Usually, this sort of thing is mostly symbolic, an effort by the minority party to show the voting public that they have good ideas and would implement them if the majority party would just get out of the way.

I understand the math. As I see it, though, the math leaves the GOP with two options.

1) Become an obstructionist party whose platform is anchored in "We're Not Obama" and attempting to thwart any legislation.

2) Establish a clear agenda to show the American people what the alternative to the current administration would look like. Pick out two or three key issues and show the American people that you are ready to lead the country.

Unfortunately, they have chosen #1. It's a path similar to the one the Democrats took about 6 years ago.

No, No, No they have chosen 1 and 2. Just because all their input is being rejected, you cannot make the leap that they are obstructionist party, though you have no trouble espousing the liberal talking points. Really that all this thread is about. That and bashing the GOP. How about the DNC support of the criminal organization ACORN, or the criminal corruption in the White House and the Congress. Obama's promice of a departure from Lobbyists in the White House. Transparency, that was promised. Read the BILL. . That you don't care to talk about.

(10-15-2009 07:33 AM)BGSUalum1987 Wrote:  

(10-14-2009 10:27 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  

(10-14-2009 03:11 PM)BGSUalum1987 Wrote:  Honestly, I'm not trying to incite a riot. I know that Obama has provided a lot of fodder for the GOP to attack. But I haven't heard of any major proposals from that side of the aisle.

The minority party usually has a few pieces of legislation that they try to muscle through. What is the GOP leading with on its agenda?

.....MUSCLE THROUGH? BGSU are you serious? They can not muscle through ANYTHING they don't have 60 votes in the Senate.

NIU05: Please note that I said TRY to muscle through. Usually, this sort of thing is mostly symbolic, an effort by the minority party to show the voting public that they have good ideas and would implement them if the majority party would just get out of the way.

I understand the math. As I see it, though, the math leaves the GOP with two options.

1) Become an obstructionist party whose platform is anchored in "We're Not Obama" and attempting to thwart any legislation.

2) Establish a clear agenda to show the American people what the alternative to the current administration would look like. Pick out two or three key issues and show the American people that you are ready to lead the country.

Unfortunately, they have chosen #1. It's a path similar to the one the Democrats took about 6 years ago.

Stated in another manner, defend, repair, then work on new issues. I don't see that as an inappropriate response to what the Democrats are doing. They can probably stop defending America from the Democrats in about a year or so. Repairing things from the damage they've done is going to be a long term project.

I would probably go with fiscal conservatives if they weren't social conservatives. Social conservatism kind of translates to people that you have no heart.

(10-14-2009 03:32 PM)moe24 Wrote:  The Libertarians are too wacko to be mainstream and are borderline anarchists. The Constitution Party would fit the bill nicely but too few people have even heard of them.

The Constitution Party is too values voters-ish for me.

I would previously laugh at your description of the Libertarian Party, but Ron Paul took most of it with him into the GOP. That would tend to leave the more hardcore libertarians left behind.

(10-15-2009 10:38 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I would probably go with fiscal conservatives if they weren't social conservatives. Social conservatism kind of translates to people that you have no heart.

Yeah, nothing says "I care about others" like being pro-partial birth abortion.