(02-05-2009 03:53 PM)Trojan Delta Chi Wrote:  

(02-05-2009 03:52 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  

(02-05-2009 03:48 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(02-05-2009 03:44 PM)Hemi Man Wrote:  

(02-05-2009 03:18 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(02-05-2009 03:03 PM)Trojan Delta Chi Wrote:  facts, they are a stubborn thing.

Not sure what group of students they use figure out those numbers. Does that include the online enrollment that's three or four times your main campus enrollment? Then consider there's a cut off after a certain amount of years where your high school GPA doesn't carry over. I don't imagine it's a precise science calculating figures for Troy's student body.

Let's face it, neither one of MT or Troy are knocking on the doors of the Ivy League, or even ACC for that matter, academically. The numbers are very similar, but you have to live with the stigma when your team is built almost entirely from JUCO's and guys that couldn't qualify academically for SEC or ACC schools.

AHH. Jealousy is a terrible thing.

Jealousy? Not hardly. Do I wish MT had the recent football success that Troy has had? Sure I do. Am I worried about it? Not in the least. MT has a much better rounded athletics program and a much higher ceiling as to where we can go as a program. I wouldn't trade the last few years of football for the rest of our programs and or where we are headed in the future.

I am a bit jealous of your rodeo program, that's the next big thing in college athletics. Any truth to the rumor Troy is starting a NASCAR team?

This thread is turning into pure SMACK between Troy and MTSU. :muttering:

Yeah I know, I wish we had Moderators assigned so we could move it to the Smack board.

Nothing wrong with some friendly banter. I hope that you guys know can tell what I'm saying in jest and what I'm serious about. I know most of these Troy guys from posting on GTT.com over the last two years. I have respect for the Trojans and what they've done on the field. I don't agree with the way the program has been built, but it's worked thus far. I think powerhouse is a much better term for what Troy has done, using the term dynasty is a bit premature.

We have different views on the future of our programs and how to build a program. Looking completely objectively at things, Troy cannot compete with our market, enrollment or overall success as an athletic program. We cannot compete with their success on the gridiron. As far as football facilities go, I'll concede to Troy having the best, but only by a slight margin. I disagree about you having the best baseball facility, I really think that it's a tossup at best, our new facility is one of the best in the nation, and I didn't see USA's from the inside, but from the outside it looked pretty nice. I'd say the facility competition is pretty close in most sports, but your basketball arena is nowhere near the top, whereas at Middle, we're at or near the top in every sport.

In regards to TF liking JUCO's, that's all fine and good, and we may see our JUCO recruitment increase, but as long as Stockstill is the head coach, our recruiting classes will still be built around high school talent and plugging in JUCO's to fill immediate needs.

oh yeah, the **** talking is going to reach all new levels. It might get so big that the river of slime gets powerful enough to chase Wright Waters out of office in his PJs. oh happy thoughts...hehe.

(02-05-2009 04:03 PM)Hemi Man Wrote:  Come on OF we need something to do during the offseason. Trust me it gets far worse come game week. It should really be nasty this year with MUTSboro adding Tony Franklin.

True enough.

And Im not much of Basketball or Baseball fan either to have that satiate me.

basketball and baseball are both incredibly boring to watch on tv. i love going to games, but you wont find me watching the game in my recliner.

(02-05-2009 04:12 PM)Trojan Delta Chi Wrote:  basketball and baseball are both incredibly boring to watch on tv. i love going to games, but you wont find me watching the game in my recliner.

I enjoy NBA and MLB on tv, but not until the postseason. Having grown up in Atlanta, I make about a half dozen trips a summer to go to Braves games. I go to and enjoy college baseball, but hate the metal bats PING! I love college basketball. I've only missed one men's home game this season and haven't missed a women's home game in the last three years. The conference tournament is becoming something I look forward to every year, this will be my third straight year going.

TROY is the only baseball team i watch. I don't watch any major league sports except the NFL, gotta love the NFL. Go Titans!

From Troy Official Site

Entrance requirements:

19 act or 910 sat with a minimal 2.0 in High School

Students over 21 do not have any requirement for Sat or Act test



I challenge anyone to find any easier entrance requirements not only in the Belt but anywhere among fb division universities. Basically, anyone with a high school diploma qualifies.

(02-05-2009 11:33 PM)Grandgreen Wrote:  From Troy Official Site

Entrance requirements:

19 act or 910 sat with a minimal 2.0 in High School

Students over 21 do not have any requirement for Sat or Act test



I challenge anyone to find any easier entrance requirements not only in the Belt but anywhere among fb division universities. Basically, anyone with a high school diploma qualifies.

What a first post....I bet you feel proud huh?

(02-05-2009 11:33 PM)Grandgreen Wrote:  From Troy Official Site

Entrance requirements:

19 act or 910 sat with a minimal 2.0 in High School

Students over 21 do not have any requirement for Sat or Act test



I challenge anyone to find any easier entrance requirements not only in the Belt but anywhere among fb division universities. Basically, anyone with a high school diploma qualifies.

here to stir the pot i see? auburn university has the same requirements smart guy. a friend of mine went there with an 18 on the ACT.

look here...students over 21 at MTSU arent required to have ACT or SAT's either. you can have a 19 ACT score with a C average in high school to get in MTSU as well if you look in the Assessment Examinations section of this pdf. shows how much you know.

(02-05-2009 01:32 PM)T2003 Wrote:  Princeton Review (2007):

Admission statistics

Troy University

Avg. High School GPA: 3.21
Avg. ACT: 20
Students in top 50% of HS class: 81%

Middle Tennessee State University

Average GPA: 2.96
Average ACT: 22
Students in top 10% of HS class: 17%
Students in top 50% of HS class: 64%

Throw away HS GPA. A GPA from a Governor's School is far away from a GPA from some rural backwater southeastern HS or depressed inner city HS in the northeast. Same story on where they rank in HS class. Stick with national standardized tests like the SAT and ACT. In general -- most high schools in the US are terrible. We are consistently among the worst among all industralized/modern nations IN THE WORLD for science and mathematics. I believe we're now 18th best at most scientific graduates. Behind such juggernauts as ... Malaysia. 60 Minutes did a piece where an average HS in Sweden was given the SAT. Their class average was around 2150, out of a maximum of 2400. That's 98th percentile in the US. Average in the US is around 1525. Hell I remember taking the ACT in MIDDLE SCHOOL and scoring in the 85th percentile of HS seniors. That's PATHETIC! Got me into Duke's T.I.P. and got me some cool freebies, though.

(02-05-2009 11:33 PM)Grandgreen Wrote:  From Troy Official Site

Entrance requirements:

19 act or 910 sat with a minimal 2.0 in High School

Students over 21 do not have any requirement for Sat or Act test



I challenge anyone to find any easier entrance requirements not only in the Belt but anywhere among fb division universities. Basically, anyone with a high school diploma qualifies.

here's another. from southern miss.

'All students completing the College Preparatory Curriculum (CPC) with a minimum of a 2.5 high school GPA on the CPC or a class rank in the top 50 percent, as well as an ACT score of 16 or higher or a SAT of 770.'

http://www.usm.edu/admissions/steps/step2.php

770 ... are you serious? I might have been able to pull out that score in elementary school. I REALLY hope they mean for when the SAT was just verbal and math. If that's WITH the additional 800 points of a writing section ... well ... that's really very very sad.

Once you get out of the Top 40 or so schools, the rest are basically the same. I have friends that went to Vandy for undergrad and MT for grad school. Vandy was better, but nothing to get too excited about and they are almost Ivy League. The SAT scores indicate the average student going to MT is a bit brighter than the average Troy student, but I doubt it's enough of a difference to mention. Probably not even one standard deviation. Troy is better in football because they have a good coach and are getting the attention of recruits. It won't last forever. Parity will eventually reach the Sunbelt.

I'm just very curious of the practices down there in Troy, AL. I don't see this practice being kept up much longer. I feel like Troy is just a few snow flakes away from an avalanche of APR issues.

Maybe Blakeney can slip the NCAA some money and tell 'em to "keep it down home, cuz."

watch it ATO, Blakeney is a good man. You don't know him, so you should think about what you say. don't be like Lane.

i actually know Larry, he's one of the best human beings you'll ever meet.

(02-06-2009 08:57 AM)Trojan Delta Chi Wrote:  watch it ATO, Blakeney is a good man. You don't know him, so you should think about what you say. don't be like Lane.

i actually know Larry, he's one of the best human beings you'll ever meet.

Amen!!!! Those that diss him are just jealous anyway...just look at their program!!! They would love to have a coach like LB!!

A quote from one of my favorite MTSU professors, who was also a Harvard and Yale Alum...
First day of class 1999.
"What's the difference in a Harvard student and an MTSU student?"

The answer came before the final on the last day of class.

"The Harvard student applied to go to Harvard. Good Luck on your test."

I was never prouder of C.

(02-06-2009 12:37 AM)BlueRaiderFan111 Wrote:  Once you get out of the Top 40 or so schools, the rest are basically the same. I have friends that went to Vandy for undergrad and MT for grad school. Vandy was better, but nothing to get too excited about and they are almost Ivy League. The SAT scores indicate the average student going to MT is a bit brighter than the average Troy student, but I doubt it's enough of a difference to mention. Probably not even one standard deviation. Troy is better in football because they have a good coach and are getting the attention of recruits. It won't last forever. Parity will eventually reach the Sunbelt.

:wingedeagle:BlueRaider

Have you ever noticed that some Ivy League types have to try several times to pass the national CPA or BAR exam. These tests are standardized and are the same for everyone. Although we think these people are somehow superior many struggle to pass when some local graduates from a so called "simple" underachieving school pass on the first try and think it wasn't hard.

I haven't seen any pass rates lately but some years ago in the state of Alabama there was some surprising results concerning the pass rate of these tests. Schools that one would think would be good was in fact not much different from the average.

By the way Troy grads has always done a good job passing these tests. I am sure that all the SBC schools also hold their own against the Ivy League types.

All that being said, what does all that have to do with playing football??????