Battleground Update

Quote:In early July, Rasmussen showed Obama ahead in Montana by 5 points; at the same time, an Insider Advantage poll put him a mere 2 points behind McCain in Georgia. But the latest surveys from those same firms tell a different story. According to an Insider Advantage sounding released last Thursday, McCain now leads 56-38 in the Peach State--an 18-point gulf. Meanwhile, the first postconvention poll by Rasmussen gives the Republican an 11-point advantage in the Treasure State, 53-42.

Quote:But the most troubling developments for the Dems are probably in two states Kerry won in 2004: Pennsylvania and Minnesota. At the end of July, Obama led in the Keystone State by a whopping nine points, 51.7 percent to 41.7 percent; at the start of September he was ahead by a healthy five, 47.4 to 42.4. The three polls released since St. Paul, however, show McCain closing fast. In the Quinnipiac survey, McCain trails by a measly three points after lagging by seven in mid-August; Strategic Vision and Rasmussen put him within two. Overall, Obama's average lead in Pennsylvania--2.3 percent--is his smallest since capturing the nomination. And while a CNN/Gallup poll released between the conventions gave Obama a 12-point lead in Minnesota, the two soundings out since the GOP left the state earlier this month suggest that McCain is either tied with Obama at 45 percent (Star Tribune) or trailing by a statistically insignificant 2-percent margin (Survey USA). Couple that with the surprising 46 Obama-43 McCain result in the latest Wisconsin survey, and the Rust Belt and upper Midwest are starting to look too close for Chicago's comfort.

Got to love it Barry O's watching it slip away.

McCain has yet to turn enough states to get a majority of Electoral votes, even with the popular vote swing.

Purple Minnesota? Maybe.

But Purple Minneapolis? Never.

I swear people here in MPLS compete to see how many Frankin, Obama and Madia yard signs they can cram into their yard. In addition to the yards signs for peace, to support your local organic farmers market, the neighborhood Spanish language immersion school, and the clever "Don't bomb Iraq with the Q turning over into an N, so the sign says "Don't bomb Iran" as well.

I am the only person on my street who flies the flag, and there is no way I will put a McCain sticker on my car or a sign in my yard. I would be attacked......

I heard a surprising poll last night that showed McCain tied in NJ and only behind by single digits in NY. If Obama has to start spending time and money in formerly "safe" states, he's in trouble.

I've decided to vote for Obama. It's a guarantee that we will have a Democratic senate, and house. We can't have gridlock. America can't afford it. Regardless of if you are liberal or conservative, republican or democrat we must get stuff done.

firmbizzle Wrote:I've decided to vote for Obama. It's a guarantee that we will have a Democratic senate, and house. We can't have gridlock. America can't afford it. Regardless of if you are liberal or conservative, republican or democrat we must get stuff done.

Sorry, that's silly. If you don't want taxes rasied, if you don't want universal healthcare or any of the other things dems would do while in power you certainly aren't going, and shouldn't be expected, to vote for Obama.

Getting stuff done does little good when all the "stuff" done goes against all that you believe in.

Gridlock is good. Mixed parties in the Executive and legislative branches is good. It worked very well when Clinton was in office. One part in total control is bad for the country.

Funny, That's a great thing about a McCain win. GRIDLOCK!!!!

firmbizzle Wrote:I've decided to vote for Obama. It's a guarantee that we will have a Democratic senate, and house. We can't have gridlock. America can't afford it. Regardless of if you are liberal or conservative, republican or democrat we must get stuff done.

That's a crazy reason for me to "resign" to vote for either candidate, just because his/her party is going to (alledgedly) control both houses.

If the election were held today -- McCain.

THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:

Got to love it Barry O's watching it slip away.

Sorry, but this election is still far away. With dramatic economic news coming in, these polls are meaningless for that Nov will bring.

Yesterday's muckraking over Lehman/FMFM donations to campaigns was tripe; the 4th Estate continuing to dumb down America.

What I see is much attention, er gossip, toward Palin, as opposed to responses from McCain or Obama. Let alone sound, thought out platforms and strategies.

I'm not sure I can remember anyone campaigning with a thought out platform since Dole. I'm not sure I can remember anyone campaigning w/ a well thought out platform since Reagan (kinda sorta).

Ninerfan1 Wrote:

firmbizzle Wrote:I've decided to vote for Obama. It's a guarantee that we will have a Democratic senate, and house. We can't have gridlock. America can't afford it. Regardless of if you are liberal or conservative, republican or democrat we must get stuff done.

Sorry, that's silly. If you don't want taxes rasied, if you don't want universal healthcare or any of the other things dems would do while in power you certainly aren't going, and shouldn't be expected, to vote for Obama.

Getting stuff done does little good when all the "stuff" done goes against all that you believe in.

Gridlock is good. Mixed parties in the Executive and legislative branches is good. It worked very well when Clinton was in office. One part in total control is bad for the country.

America has a history of going through free market periods and heavy regulated periods. We are about to collapse as a country. Sending 700 million dollars over seas for oil, 80 million baby boomers that are about to retire with only 50 million of their kids to pay taxes to support them. Spending 200 billion dollars in Iraq every year. We can't afford to keep going like this. The Clinton years were good, but they solved no long term problems, only postponed them for someone else. I hate paying taxes as much as everybody else, but we can't keep running deficits of $400 billion a year. You can't lower taxes and stay in Iraq. Our debt to foreign entities is almost $10 trillion. What happens when they come to collect? Those dollars in your pocket will be worth nothing. The party is over folks, let's nurse this hangover, and clean up this mess.

firmbizzle Wrote:America has a history of going through free market periods and heavy regulated periods. We are about to collapse as a country.

I think your scenario is overstated.

Quote:Sending 700 million dollars over seas for oil, 80 million baby boomers that are about to retire with only 50 million of their kids to pay taxes to support them.

Boomers will actually keep going, as entrepreneurs. That's not to say there won't be issues...of course there will be. But people's expectations will adjust as their entitlement mentality fades. Remember boomers' kids aren't nearly so spoiled.

Quote: Spending 200 billion dollars in Iraq every year. We can't afford to keep going like this. The Clinton years were good, but they solved no long term problems, only postponed them for someone else. I hate paying taxes as much as everybody else, but we can't keep running deficits of $400 billion a year. You can't lower taxes and stay in Iraq. Our debt to foreign entities is almost $10 trillion. What happens when they come to collect? Those dollars in your pocket will be worth nothing. The party is over folks, let's nurse this hangover, and clean up this mess.

Those are some valid points. This party is over and folks need to realize it. But, the world hasn't ended either.

We do need major reforms: mostly shrink the gov't (and get it out of areas like education and mortgage lending) by getting out of the details of regulation, and back to enforcing of fair, general guidelines.

firmbizzle Wrote:America has a history of going through free market periods and heavy regulated periods. We are about to collapse as a country. Sending 700 million dollars over seas for oil, 80 million baby boomers that are about to retire with only 50 million of their kids to pay taxes to support them. Spending 200 billion dollars in Iraq every year. We can't afford to keep going like this. The Clinton years were good, but they solved no long term problems, only postponed them for someone else. I hate paying taxes as much as everybody else, but we can't keep running deficits of $400 billion a year. You can't lower taxes and stay in Iraq. Our debt to foreign entities is almost $10 trillion. What happens when they come to collect? Those dollars in your pocket will be worth nothing. The party is over folks, let's nurse this hangover, and clean up this mess.

What makes you think the dems will solve these issues and not make them worse?

My scenario for some time in the next 5-10 years:

50% inflation rate
50 million unemployed
armed class warfare in the streets

I think we get to the inflation and unemployment faster with Obama, the class warfare faster with McCain.

I'm moving my investments to be as well prepared as possible for this.

Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:My scenario for some time in the next 5-10 years:

50% inflation rate
50 million unemployed
armed class warfare in the streets

I think we get to the inflation and unemployment faster with Obama, the class warfare faster with McCain.

I'm moving my investments to be as well prepared as possible for this.

Don't forget Zombie Invasion in your irrational, dystopian future.

Lord Stanley Wrote:

Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:My scenario for some time in the next 5-10 years:

50% inflation rate
50 million unemployed
armed class warfare in the streets

I think we get to the inflation and unemployment faster with Obama, the class warfare faster with McCain.

I'm moving my investments to be as well prepared as possible for this.

Don't forget Zombie Invasion in your irrational, dystopian future.

How about I save this post, and call it to your attention when we get there. That is, if you can still get to the internet.

firmbizzle Wrote:I've decided to vote for Obama. It's a guarantee that we will have a Democratic senate, and house. We can't have gridlock. America can't afford it. Regardless of if you are liberal or conservative, republican or democrat we must get stuff done.

We had "gridlock" under Bill Clinton, and the country was far better off.

We've had 5 years, at least, of no gridlock under W, and you see where it's gotten us.

I'm a huge fan of gridlock, particularly when both parties seem to giving so much credence to idiots at the extreme.

Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:

Lord Stanley Wrote:

Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:My scenario for some time in the next 5-10 years:

50% inflation rate
50 million unemployed
armed class warfare in the streets

I think we get to the inflation and unemployment faster with Obama, the class warfare faster with McCain.

I'm moving my investments to be as well prepared as possible for this.

Don't forget Zombie Invasion in your irrational, dystopian future.

How about I save this post, and call it to your attention when we get there. That is, if you can still get to the internet.

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What? I get nothing out of this? How about a promise that you'll trot this post out in 5-10 years regardless of the economic situation? When the stock market hits 50,000, when your new investments have made you a paper millionaire, when inflation is a non-factor, when home values have recoverd, and unicorns and kittens live in harmony? Except you won't remember this post past tomorrow, nor ever take responsibility for your re-dic-u-lous assertion of hyper inflation, 50% unemployment and race wars.

You may wank off to this at night, dreaming of what cool things you'll put in your basement bunker to fight off the hordes of the unwashed, but it'll won't happen.

Again, I shake my head at the people who want nothing more than to be proved right about their humanity ending apocalypse. Or is it a cleansing apocalypse leading to a Ron Paul Revolution? I can never keep you kooks and your fantasies straight.

If in ten years you are proved 1/3 correct, I invite you and your family to my house for an End Times Party, all on my dime, paid for by wheelbarrel full of worthless US greenbacks.

Or we can just meet at Bartertown, your choice. Would you be interested in trading tomato plants for desalinated water?

Lord Stanley Wrote:What? I get nothing out of this? How about a promise that you'll trot this post out in 5-10 years regardless of the economic situation? When the stock market hits 50,000, when your new investments have made you a paper millionaire, when inflation is a non-factor, when home values have recoverd, and unicorns and kittens live in harmony? Except you won't remember this post past tomorrow, nor ever take responsibility for your re-dic-u-lous assertion of hyper inflation, 50% unemployment and race wars.

I'm fine with trotting it back out either way. And I will remember it because I'm restructuring everything I can to prepare myself to live with it. I will concede that I look at it like this--if the worst comes and I'm prepared for it, good; if I prepare for the worst and it doesn't come, I'll still be okay.

Just to be clear, I said 50 million unemployed, not 50% unemployment, and I think I said class wars rather than race wars (there's a big difference). I am okay with your "hyperinflation" recharacterization.

firmbizzle Wrote:I've decided to vote for Obama. It's a guarantee that we will have a Democratic senate, and house. We can't have gridlock. America can't afford it. Regardless of if you are liberal or conservative, republican or democrat we must get stuff done.

Im for gridlock...Your point may make me change my mind come Nov.

Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:I will concede that I look at it like this--if the worst comes and I'm prepared for it, good; if I prepare for the worst and it doesn't come, I'll still be okay.

Well, no way in hell I'd argue with that!

Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:Just to be clear, I said 50 million unemployed, not 50% unemployment, and I think I said class wars rather than race wars (there's a big difference). I am okay with your "hyperinflation" recharacterization.

Oy - you're right. I'll be the yellow guy for this post

OK, as an aside - what would be your idea of a class war? Armed conflict? Economic conflict? Child labor ala the 1800's? White male landowners the only voters?

I guess I can't really see the difference in many ways between a race war and a class war. The divide is there, but any line quickly dissolves. Today, class warfare = race warfare.

My point is, almost everything you read, see, and hear about the future has the future going south - and it has been this way since the early 50's when everyone thought we would have flying cars and robot maids.

I feel like the future is bright for all mankind. With just a little more effort we may quickly see the end of disease like malaria, the proliferation of clean water and cheap electricity (solar panels, wind, hydro, hand-wound generators) global internet and cell phone communications, genetically modified food supplies that can eradicate hunger and starvation, micro loans to encourage business growth, remarkable physics and astronomical discoveries I would't possible tell you I understand, advances in logistics to facilitate the cheap movement of needed goods, a general world peace as opposed to a 100 years ago, etc etc etc.

So much has been made of mankind's failure, but really, history has consistently proved otherwise.