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(03-25-2026 01:23 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(03-25-2026 01:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Plenty of folks thought it was a bluff---just as many thought Putin surrounding Ukraine in 2022 was a bluff. Just as we all assume its "just an exercise in intimidation" every time China surrounds Taiwan.....even though we all know, one day it wont just be an exercise.

Iran had nothing to lose. Once the bombing began their leaders knew their days were numbered. They just wanted to create as much pain for the world as possible at the end. That means shooting off ballistic missiles and drones in every direction, and shutting down 20% of the world's oil creating chaos for countries around the world. It was the obvious action from them, it should have been mitigated ahead of time.

While I disagree with Attackcoog on many things regarding this war there's one thing I don't. There was no real mitigating or stopping them from shutting down the strait. You are correct that it was always the obvious action from them, and the military planners have always known this and known they really never had an option to prevent them from doing it.

What's worse now though than it would have been 5-10 years ago is that now they can selectively close the strait for ships they don't want to cross but their own ships and countries friendly to them can pass. Instead of needing to heavily mine the strait making it impassible for any ships all they have to do is just show the proven ability to shoot some drones and hit a ship and it's closed to whoever they don't want to cross.

The options to reopen the strait anytime in the near term really are simple, make a deal to end the conflict or boots on the ground to secure the coastline.
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No matter how this would have went off - there was no concrete method that was going to keep the strait open. You can have a plan that's 95% successful, but that small chance of getting a hit on a ship will clog the artery.
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(03-25-2026 02:32 PM)miko33 Wrote:  No matter how this would have went off - there was no concrete method that was going to keep the strait open. You can have a plan that's 95% successful, but that small chance of getting a hit on a ship will clog the artery.

Yep. Hell, Iran just lobbed a couple of missiles at Diego Garcia, 2500 miles away. Until we completely eliminate the threat of Iranian missiles, it is going to be difficult to keep that strait open.

It's no surprise. Anyone who thinks Trump or his admin didn't realize that going in is, well, I won't say what I'm thinking, but it isn't a pleasant thought, lol.
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(03-25-2026 02:55 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(03-25-2026 02:32 PM)miko33 Wrote:  No matter how this would have went off - there was no concrete method that was going to keep the strait open. You can have a plan that's 95% successful, but that small chance of getting a hit on a ship will clog the artery.

Yep. Hell, Iran just lobbed a couple of missiles at Diego Garcia, 2500 miles away. Until we completely eliminate the threat of Iranian missiles, it is going to be difficult to keep that strait open.

It's no surprise. Anyone who thinks Trump or his admin didn't realize that going in is, well, I won't say what I'm thinking, but it isn't a pleasant thought, lol.

They aren't using ballistic missiles with 2500 mile range to hit a ship in that strait. They are using short range missiles that are kept near the coast. We did nothing to secure that area. Maybe the generals thought that Iran didn't have the balls to close it, but it was a serious miscalculation.
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(03-25-2026 03:17 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(03-25-2026 02:55 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(03-25-2026 02:32 PM)miko33 Wrote:  No matter how this would have went off - there was no concrete method that was going to keep the strait open. You can have a plan that's 95% successful, but that small chance of getting a hit on a ship will clog the artery.

Yep. Hell, Iran just lobbed a couple of missiles at Diego Garcia, 2500 miles away. Until we completely eliminate the threat of Iranian missiles, it is going to be difficult to keep that strait open.

It's no surprise. Anyone who thinks Trump or his admin didn't realize that going in is, well, I won't say what I'm thinking, but it isn't a pleasant thought, lol.

They aren't using ballistic missiles with 2500 mile range to hit a ship in that strait. They are using short range missiles that are kept near the coast. We did nothing to secure that area. Maybe the generals thought that Iran didn't have the balls to close it, but it was a serious miscalculation.
How many missiles have they fired at ships? I've only seen where they have used drones and small boats.
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(03-25-2026 03:21 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
(03-25-2026 03:17 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(03-25-2026 02:55 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(03-25-2026 02:32 PM)miko33 Wrote:  No matter how this would have went off - there was no concrete method that was going to keep the strait open. You can have a plan that's 95% successful, but that small chance of getting a hit on a ship will clog the artery.

Yep. Hell, Iran just lobbed a couple of missiles at Diego Garcia, 2500 miles away. Until we completely eliminate the threat of Iranian missiles, it is going to be difficult to keep that strait open.

It's no surprise. Anyone who thinks Trump or his admin didn't realize that going in is, well, I won't say what I'm thinking, but it isn't a pleasant thought, lol.

They aren't using ballistic missiles with 2500 mile range to hit a ship in that strait. They are using short range missiles that are kept near the coast. We did nothing to secure that area. Maybe the generals thought that Iran didn't have the balls to close it, but it was a serious miscalculation.
How many missiles have they fired at ships? I've only seen where they have used drones and small boats.

Good point on that as well. I'm sure they have shoulder fired missiles and other short range missiles that can hit them as well, but it is a whole lot cheaper to use cheap drones to keep it closed.
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Commie Tom has been reduced to spell checking.
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Let me try this again. I'm not saying Iran has used, or will use, missiles to close the Strait of Hormuz. That's ridiculous.

What I meant was, as long as they have that capability, they can threaten and shut down the Strait from any damn where, so until we completely eliminate their missile threat, or any other offensive threat, the Strait is not going to be open.

And Leavitt said very clearly almost 2 weeks ago that Trump was briefed on the possibility of Iran closing the Strait, ahead of time.
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(03-25-2026 02:55 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(03-25-2026 02:32 PM)miko33 Wrote:  No matter how this would have went off - there was no concrete method that was going to keep the strait open. You can have a plan that's 95% successful, but that small chance of getting a hit on a ship will clog the artery.

Yep. Hell, Iran just lobbed a couple of missiles at Diego Garcia, 2500 miles away. Until we completely eliminate the threat of Iranian missiles, it is going to be difficult to keep that strait open.

It's no surprise. Anyone who thinks Trump or his admin didn't realize that going in is, well, I won't say what I'm thinking, but it isn't a pleasant thought, lol.

That's the way I feel, with what you and Miko33 just said.
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(03-25-2026 03:27 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Commie Tom has been reduced to spell checking.

he does it every time when his flaccid bs implodes in his mouth...
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(03-25-2026 03:24 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(03-25-2026 03:21 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
(03-25-2026 03:17 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(03-25-2026 02:55 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(03-25-2026 02:32 PM)miko33 Wrote:  No matter how this would have went off - there was no concrete method that was going to keep the strait open. You can have a plan that's 95% successful, but that small chance of getting a hit on a ship will clog the artery.

Yep. Hell, Iran just lobbed a couple of missiles at Diego Garcia, 2500 miles away. Until we completely eliminate the threat of Iranian missiles, it is going to be difficult to keep that strait open.

It's no surprise. Anyone who thinks Trump or his admin didn't realize that going in is, well, I won't say what I'm thinking, but it isn't a pleasant thought, lol.

They aren't using ballistic missiles with 2500 mile range to hit a ship in that strait. They are using short range missiles that are kept near the coast. We did nothing to secure that area. Maybe the generals thought that Iran didn't have the balls to close it, but it was a serious miscalculation.
How many missiles have they fired at ships? I've only seen where they have used drones and small boats.

Good point on that as well. I'm sure they have shoulder fired missiles and other short range missiles that can hit them as well, but it is a whole lot cheaper to use cheap drones to keep it closed.

you know what comes next if they don't succumb after the most certain hell on earth onslaught coming this weekend?!

#vitrification (tips cap to mon shere for that word) ... the world will publicly denounce, but secretly applaud if = 1 ... all of euroasia lives depend on that narrow strip remaining safe...

this ain' your daddy's, nor grandpappy's kinda conflict ... this is a win at any cost, STAT!!!

somebody had to do it ... if not, that hemisphere would be forever held hostage after acquiring nuclear weaponized capability...

like it or not, this is the consequence of conquering the atom coupled with some really nasty actors...

as always, JMTC...
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(03-25-2026 03:36 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Let me try this again. I'm not saying Iran has used, or will use, missiles to close the Strait of Hormuz. That's ridiculous.

What I meant was, as long as they have that capability, they can threaten and shut down the Strait from any damn where, so until we completely eliminate their missile threat, or any other offensive threat, the Strait is not going to be open.

And Leavitt said very clearly almost 2 weeks ago that Trump was briefed on the possibility of Iran closing the Strait, ahead of time.

Exactly. This is the reason every president before simply kicked the can down the road---because handling Iran once and for all would probably be a pain in the butt. But at some point, we have to stop kicking the can down the road on every hard issue and leaving it for the next generation (our kids) to handle. The same kicking the can down the road behavior is how we end up with a bigger and bigger national debt every year.
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(03-25-2026 03:58 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(03-25-2026 03:24 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(03-25-2026 03:21 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
(03-25-2026 03:17 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(03-25-2026 02:55 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Yep. Hell, Iran just lobbed a couple of missiles at Diego Garcia, 2500 miles away. Until we completely eliminate the threat of Iranian missiles, it is going to be difficult to keep that strait open.

It's no surprise. Anyone who thinks Trump or his admin didn't realize that going in is, well, I won't say what I'm thinking, but it isn't a pleasant thought, lol.

They aren't using ballistic missiles with 2500 mile range to hit a ship in that strait. They are using short range missiles that are kept near the coast. We did nothing to secure that area. Maybe the generals thought that Iran didn't have the balls to close it, but it was a serious miscalculation.
How many missiles have they fired at ships? I've only seen where they have used drones and small boats.

Good point on that as well. I'm sure they have shoulder fired missiles and other short range missiles that can hit them as well, but it is a whole lot cheaper to use cheap drones to keep it closed.

you know what comes next if they don't succumb after the most certain hell on earth onslaught coming this weekend?!

#vitrification (tips cap to mon shere for that word) ... the world will publicly denounce, but secretly applaud if = 1 ... all of euroasia lives depend on that narrow strip remaining safe...

this ain' your daddy's, nor grandpappy's kinda conflict ... this is a win at any cost, STAT!!!

somebody had to do it ... if not, that hemisphere would be forever held hostage after acquiring nuclear weaponized capability...

like it or not, this is the consequence of conquering the atom coupled with some really nasty actors...

as always, JMTC...

The sad part of your comment is America can never stop pursuing technical advancements. The moment it stops - the opposition countries will continue developing and eclipse the U.S. Tech. The big negative of being the hegemon.
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Retired General Jack Keane just laughed out loud on Jesse Watters' show tonight when Jesse asked him if Iran surprised us by closing the Strait of Hormuz.

He said that was absurd, that the US Military has been planning and running exercises for this contingency since the 1990s, and even more so since the early 2000s.

After all, Iran and its proxies have been intermittently hindering traffic in the Strait since the current regime took power in 1979. No military commander or president would overlook something as obvious as that.

So BoJo, you either misheard Trump, or you made that up about hearing Trump say anything contrary to that. Which is it?
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(03-25-2026 07:25 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Retired General Jack Keane just laughed out loud on Jesse Watters' show tonight when Jesse asked him if Iran surprised us by closing the Strait of Hormuz.

He said that was absurd, that the US Military has been planning and running exercises for this contingency since the 1990s, and even more so since the early 2000s.

After all, Iran and its proxies have been intermittently hindering traffic in the Strait since the current regime took power in 1979. No military commander or president would overlook something as obvious as that.

So BoJo, you either misheard Trump, or you made that up about hearing Trump say anything contrary to that. Which is it?

Right. Zero chance this was a surprise. They have been threatening to do this for forever.
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https://www.racket.news/p/go-outside

Matt Taibbi's take:

"...Some say there’s method to his madness, that offering shifting explanations for mass death and destruction while also not planning for obvious early consequences like the clogging of the world’s oil supply is a 4D chess move, after which a fearsome regional belligerent will look clueless and humiliated, like we do now. After all, he assures us, we’re “the strongest nation in the world.” The whole point of being the strongest nation, though, is that we shouldn’t need 4d chess moves or madness in methods. We can just stay home and make waffles, take Italian classes, or to put it in terms Trump would understand, watch the UFC’s Octagon throwdown in Seattle this weekend. It’s a hard distinction, but I think the trick is avoiding crises, not starting them.

Instead, we’re at war. This aspect of the Trump experience is wild. The man was twice elected on a negative mandate, i.e. just don’t suck as much as the other guy (neither were guys, but still). My house has a “Literally” jar, into which my sons pay a dollar every time they use the oft-unnecessary word, but here it’s appropriate: Trump could literally have sat on his ass and done nothing for four years, and he’d have left office to parades. Americans would pay a cost equivalent to the Apollo missions for history’s biggest Live Model Cam sub collection, if it could keep the president from starting this kind of conflict. His exact mandate was “Not this!” He did it. In every situation where all he has to do to win is not do something, Trump does the thing. It’s uncanny.

Trump’s opponents are crazy too. When last in power they put a corpse in the Oval Office, scrambling when even amphetamines wouldn’t wake it up anymore. Now the opposition is organized around the same brand of Satanic pizzagate conspiracies Democrats once got in trouble for trying to censor. America is now a land of competing religions, none of which believe in courtesy, sanity, civility, or kindness. Many hate Trump, some hate Democrats or foreigners, some are convinced Israel controls the world, and no one is happy.

I spend more time outside now. People may have changed, but trees, frogs, and squirrels are the same. We have bears where I live. Bears are awesome. They eat garbage and hold up traffic. In about a month they’ll start swimming in my neighbor’s pool. They’ve got things figured out. Humans, not so much. The bear-to-human wisdom gap keeps growing. I’d suggest electing one in 2028, but why do that to them?..."
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apparently, he found the time to write another sham article during his outdoor adventures ... I'll have #groverII send that turd nugget a Euell Gibbon's signed 8 x 10 glossy to help soothe his hemorrhoidal arse...
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Anyone hearing this? From Amir...

Quote:Fox News from a senior American official: "Congress has approved the start of the ground operation against Iran."
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(03-25-2026 09:45 PM)hburg Wrote:  Anyone hearing this? From Amir...

Quote:Fox News from a senior American official: "Congress has approved the start of the ground operation against Iran."

No, but it wouldn't be surprising. Iran is just not going to agree to give up its nuke ambitions. Trump is obviously not happy with how "negotiations" are going, and the Iran spokesperson was belligerent today.
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