(06-08-2025 12:49 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(06-07-2025 09:32 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-07-2025 06:53 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(06-07-2025 06:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-07-2025 04:43 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  Is that not first 8 words of the 14th amendment ?

The first eight words aren’t the entire scope of the 14th as a whole. Just saying.

The entire scope of the 14th as a whole was all about the freed slaves, nothing more or less about it.

May want to give that another ponder there. 14th goes well beyond what you say above. Well beyond. Read all the sections and think about each of their effects.

I have read all 5 sections. I'm pretty sure our argument is all about what is said in section 1. Which deals with the freed slaves, nothing more nothing less.

Then I cant help you -- especially in your inability to distinguish between large concepts and specifically an inability to denote different nouns. That would seem to be a 'you' (or maybe the source you simply regurgitate) issue.

Funny, he didn't ask for your help. I bet not many do. That's why you have to chase them ambulances.

(06-08-2025 12:55 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Funny, he didn't ask for your help. I bet not many do. That's why you have to chase them ambulances.

Funny he didnt have to toss out any questions, let alone throw even more unsubstantiated stuff out there as well in response to me. Yep, Im an evil genius to get him to do all that.

Second -- you bet wildly wrong. Second and a half, my hourly rate that I charge and collect on is pretty decent, even when I am doing most of my time in things of personal interest.

And third, you seem to think that pulling stuff out of your ass is some substitute for critical thinking.

Here is a word of advice -- your ass is not a brain, champ. Most people would undertand that. Apparently from above, maybe not you.

Did you want a medal or a chest to pin it on?

(06-08-2025 12:54 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-08-2025 12:49 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(06-07-2025 09:32 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-07-2025 06:53 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(06-07-2025 06:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  The first eight words aren’t the entire scope of the 14th as a whole. Just saying.

The entire scope of the 14th as a whole was all about the freed slaves, nothing more or less about it.

May want to give that another ponder there. 14th goes well beyond what you say above. Well beyond. Read all the sections and think about each of their effects.

I have read all 5 sections. I'm pretty sure our argument is all about what is said in section 1. Which deals with the freed slaves, nothing more nothing less.

Then I cant help you -- especially in your inability to distinguish between large concepts and specifically an inability to denote different nouns. That would seem to be a 'you' (or maybe the source you simply regurgitate) issue.

I wasn't looking or asking for any help.

(06-08-2025 01:43 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(06-08-2025 12:54 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-08-2025 12:49 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(06-07-2025 09:32 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-07-2025 06:53 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  The entire scope of the 14th as a whole was all about the freed slaves, nothing more or less about it.

May want to give that another ponder there. 14th goes well beyond what you say above. Well beyond. Read all the sections and think about each of their effects.

I have read all 5 sections. [b]I'm pretty sure our argument is all about what is said in section 1.

Which deals with the freed slaves, nothing more nothing less.

Then I cant help you -- especially in your inability to distinguish between large concepts and specifically an inability to denote different nouns. That would seem to be a 'you' (or maybe the source you simply regurgitate) issue.

I wasn't looking or asking for any help.
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You are free to be as ignorant as you wish, then. Have a great day. The 'entire scope' of the 14th goes well beyond freed slaves.

And the issue seems to change in your original above, to the second bolded somewhat magically, to boot.

And no, section 1 does not solely deal with freed slaves as a third point.

(06-08-2025 01:58 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-08-2025 01:43 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(06-08-2025 12:54 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-08-2025 12:49 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(06-07-2025 09:32 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  May want to give that another ponder there. 14th goes well beyond what you say above. Well beyond. Read all the sections and think about each of their effects.

I have read all 5 sections. [b]I'm pretty sure our argument is all about what is said in section 1.

Which deals with the freed slaves, nothing more nothing less.

Then I cant help you -- especially in your inability to distinguish between large concepts and specifically an inability to denote different nouns. That would seem to be a 'you' (or maybe the source you simply regurgitate) issue.

I wasn't looking or asking for any help.

You are free to be as ignorant as you wish, then. Have a great day. The 'entire scope' of the 14th goes well beyond freed slaves.

And the issue seems to change in your original above, to the second bolded somewhat magically, to boot.

And no, section 1 does not solely deal with freed slaves as a third point.
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So you call someone ignorant when they don't agree with you, that's interesting. Try not to step on your ego on the way out the door.

Classic narcissist.

(06-08-2025 02:30 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

Quote:

(06-08-2025 01:58 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-08-2025 01:43 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(06-08-2025 12:54 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-08-2025 12:49 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  I have read all 5 sections. [b]I'm pretty sure our argument is all about what is said in section 1.

Which deals with the freed slaves, nothing more nothing less.

Then I cant help you -- especially in your inability to distinguish between large concepts and specifically an inability to denote different nouns. That would seem to be a 'you' (or maybe the source you simply regurgitate) issue.

I wasn't looking or asking for any help.

You are free to be as ignorant as you wish, then. Have a great day. The 'entire scope' of the 14th goes well beyond freed slaves.

And the issue seems to change in your original above, to the second bolded somewhat magically, to boot.

And no, section 1 does not solely deal with freed slaves as a third point.

So you call someone ignorant when they don't agree with you, that's interesting. Try not to step on your ego on the way out the door.

Then Red, why dont you go write a groundbreaking 'change the law forever and ever' scholarly article and tell everyone your new found thinking. Nothing stopping you. Nothing at all. Free country and all that jazz. Something that cuts completely against the legislative record on the 14th, and cuts completely against the writings of the similar grants and distinctions within the 5th.

Considering you have *already* changed the issue from the 'entire' 14th, to simply one section, my best guess is that it wont be taken very seriously. So no, Im not going to indulge your 'the first 8 words' pile of **** you proffer above. No more than I wish to indulge the 'the flag in the courtroom has yellow fringe, and yellow fringe is only on flags under naval jurisdiction, therefore this court only has naval jurisdiction and cannot try me' garbage.

No skin off my back if you keep barking that garbage. None at all. Please continue.

(06-08-2025 02:46 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-08-2025 02:30 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

Quote:

(06-08-2025 01:58 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-08-2025 01:43 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  Then I cant help you -- especially in your inability to distinguish between large concepts and specifically an inability to denote different nouns. That would seem to be a 'you' (or maybe the source you simply regurgitate) issue.

I wasn't looking or asking for any help.

You are free to be as ignorant as you wish, then. Have a great day. The 'entire scope' of the 14th goes well beyond freed slaves.

And the issue seems to change in your original above, to the second bolded somewhat magically, to boot.

And no, section 1 does not solely deal with freed slaves as a third point.

So you call someone ignorant when they don't agree with you, that's interesting. Try not to step on your ego on the way out the door.

Then Red, why dont you go write a groundbreaking 'change the law forever and ever' scholarly article and tell everyone your new found thinking. Nothing stopping you. Nothing at all. Free country and all that jazz. Something that cuts completely against the legislative record on the 14th, and cuts completely against the writings of the similar grants and distinctions within the 5th.

Considering you have *already* changed the issue from the 'entire' 14th, to simply one section, my best guess is that it wont be taken very seriously. So no, Im not going to indulge your 'the first 8 words' pile of **** you proffer above. No more than I wish to indulge the 'the flag in the courtroom has yellow fringe, and yellow fringe is only on flags under naval jurisdiction, therefore this court only has naval jurisdiction and cannot try me' garbage.

No skin off my back if you keep barking that garbage. None at all. Please continue.

You keep bringing up the 14th when dealing with illegals. That was not the purpose of the 14th Amendment and the courts have been pissing on it since what 1880's.

(06-08-2025 05:39 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(06-08-2025 02:46 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-08-2025 02:30 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

Quote:

(06-08-2025 01:58 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I wasn't looking or asking for any help.

You are free to be as ignorant as you wish, then. Have a great day. The 'entire scope' of the 14th goes well beyond freed slaves.

And the issue seems to change in your original above, to the second bolded somewhat magically, to boot.

And no, section 1 does not solely deal with freed slaves as a third point.

So you call someone ignorant when they don't agree with you, that's interesting. Try not to step on your ego on the way out the door.

Then Red, why dont you go write a groundbreaking 'change the law forever and ever' scholarly article and tell everyone your new found thinking. Nothing stopping you. Nothing at all. Free country and all that jazz. Something that cuts completely against the legislative record on the 14th, and cuts completely against the writings of the similar grants and distinctions within the 5th.

Considering you have *already* changed the issue from the 'entire' 14th, to simply one section, my best guess is that it wont be taken very seriously. So no, Im not going to indulge your 'the first 8 words' pile of **** you proffer above. No more than I wish to indulge the 'the flag in the courtroom has yellow fringe, and yellow fringe is only on flags under naval jurisdiction, therefore this court only has naval jurisdiction and cannot try me' garbage.

No skin off my back if you keep barking that garbage. None at all. Please continue.

You keep bringing up the 14th when dealing with illegals. That was not the purpose of the 14th Amendment and the courts have been pissing on it since what 1880's.

Im not the one spinning up the 14th here, champ. Thats on you. I dont have a clue why you are myna birding in this part of the thread on the 14th.

When one looks at it -- you are the dude that decided 14th was germane yesterday afternoon, for god knows what reason. You do you.

Ove denoted 'due process' in the last very large number of days. But yesterday *you* decided to yammer specifically on the structure and purpose about the 14th. Why? Beats the fk out of me. Now you are complaining that that is the subject. I guess you should ask you and you alone why that is.

(06-08-2025 05:53 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-08-2025 05:39 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(06-08-2025 02:46 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-08-2025 02:30 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

Quote:You are free to be as ignorant as you wish, then. Have a great day. The 'entire scope' of the 14th goes well beyond freed slaves.

And the issue seems to change in your original above, to the second bolded somewhat magically, to boot.

And no, section 1 does not solely deal with freed slaves as a third point.

So you call someone ignorant when they don't agree with you, that's interesting. Try not to step on your ego on the way out the door.

Then Red, why dont you go write a groundbreaking 'change the law forever and ever' scholarly article and tell everyone your new found thinking. Nothing stopping you. Nothing at all. Free country and all that jazz. Something that cuts completely against the legislative record on the 14th, and cuts completely against the writings of the similar grants and distinctions within the 5th.

Considering you have *already* changed the issue from the 'entire' 14th, to simply one section, my best guess is that it wont be taken very seriously. So no, Im not going to indulge your 'the first 8 words' pile of **** you proffer above. No more than I wish to indulge the 'the flag in the courtroom has yellow fringe, and yellow fringe is only on flags under naval jurisdiction, therefore this court only has naval jurisdiction and cannot try me' garbage.

No skin off my back if you keep barking that garbage. None at all. Please continue.

You keep bringing up the 14th when dealing with illegals. That was not the purpose of the 14th Amendment and the courts have been pissing on it since what 1880's.

Im not the one spinning up the 14th here, champ. Thats on you. I dont have a clue why you are myna birding in this part of the thread on the 14th.

When one looks at it -- you are the dude that decided 14th was germane yesterday afternoon, for god knows what reason. You do you.

Ove denoted 'due process' in the last very large number of days. But yesterday *you* decided to yammer specifically on the structure and purpose about the 14th. Why? Beats the fk out of me. Now you are complaining that that is the subject. I guess you should ask you and you alone why that is.

Oh, I see why you might be a little lost on why I brought up the 14th. It was post #85 when you said something about his due process. I figured you might have picked up on that, I guess not.
Have a nice Sunday evening.

(06-08-2025 06:22 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(06-08-2025 05:53 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-08-2025 05:39 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(06-08-2025 02:46 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-08-2025 02:30 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  So you call someone ignorant when they don't agree with you, that's interesting. Try not to step on your ego on the way out the door.

Then Red, why dont you go write a groundbreaking 'change the law forever and ever' scholarly article and tell everyone your new found thinking. Nothing stopping you. Nothing at all. Free country and all that jazz. Something that cuts completely against the legislative record on the 14th, and cuts completely against the writings of the similar grants and distinctions within the 5th.

Considering you have *already* changed the issue from the 'entire' 14th, to simply one section, my best guess is that it wont be taken very seriously. So no, Im not going to indulge your 'the first 8 words' pile of **** you proffer above. No more than I wish to indulge the 'the flag in the courtroom has yellow fringe, and yellow fringe is only on flags under naval jurisdiction, therefore this court only has naval jurisdiction and cannot try me' garbage.

No skin off my back if you keep barking that garbage. None at all. Please continue.

You keep bringing up the 14th when dealing with illegals. That was not the purpose of the 14th Amendment and the courts have been pissing on it since what 1880's.

Im not the one spinning up the 14th here, champ. Thats on you. I dont have a clue why you are myna birding in this part of the thread on the 14th.

When one looks at it -- you are the dude that decided 14th was germane yesterday afternoon, for god knows what reason. You do you.

Ove denoted 'due process' in the last very large number of days. But yesterday *you* decided to yammer specifically on the structure and purpose about the 14th. Why? Beats the fk out of me. Now you are complaining that that is the subject. I guess you should ask you and you alone why that is.

Oh, I see why you might be a little lost on why I brought up the 14th. It was post #85 when you said something about his due process. I figured you might have picked up on that, I guess not.
Have a nice Sunday evening.

Im not lost at all on the relevant items. My saying something about Abrego's due process doesnt implicate the 14th in the slightest. Not sure why I would have 'picked up' on something that doesnt exist.

All this other nonsense aside.

Kilmar is fricked.

When he figures it out, wait for the lawsuit filed on his behalf to get him deported again.

(06-08-2025 06:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-08-2025 06:22 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(06-08-2025 05:53 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-08-2025 05:39 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(06-08-2025 02:46 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Then Red, why dont you go write a groundbreaking 'change the law forever and ever' scholarly article and tell everyone your new found thinking. Nothing stopping you. Nothing at all. Free country and all that jazz. Something that cuts completely against the legislative record on the 14th, and cuts completely against the writings of the similar grants and distinctions within the 5th.

Considering you have *already* changed the issue from the 'entire' 14th, to simply one section, my best guess is that it wont be taken very seriously. So no, Im not going to indulge your 'the first 8 words' pile of **** you proffer above. No more than I wish to indulge the 'the flag in the courtroom has yellow fringe, and yellow fringe is only on flags under naval jurisdiction, therefore this court only has naval jurisdiction and cannot try me' garbage.

No skin off my back if you keep barking that garbage. None at all. Please continue.

You keep bringing up the 14th when dealing with illegals. That was not the purpose of the 14th Amendment and the courts have been pissing on it since what 1880's.

Im not the one spinning up the 14th here, champ. Thats on you. I dont have a clue why you are myna birding in this part of the thread on the 14th.

When one looks at it -- you are the dude that decided 14th was germane yesterday afternoon, for god knows what reason. You do you.

Ove denoted 'due process' in the last very large number of days. But yesterday *you* decided to yammer specifically on the structure and purpose about the 14th. Why? Beats the fk out of me. Now you are complaining that that is the subject. I guess you should ask you and you alone why that is.

Oh, I see why you might be a little lost on why I brought up the 14th. It was post #85 when you said something about his due process. I figured you might have picked up on that, I guess not.
Have a nice Sunday evening.

Im not lost at all on the relevant items. My saying something about Abrego's due process doesnt implicate the 14th in the slightest. Not sure why I would have 'picked up' on something that doesnt exist.

Evasive, I didn't see that coming from you.

(06-08-2025 11:02 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(06-08-2025 06:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-08-2025 06:22 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(06-08-2025 05:53 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-08-2025 05:39 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  You keep bringing up the 14th when dealing with illegals. That was not the purpose of the 14th Amendment and the courts have been pissing on it since what 1880's.

Im not the one spinning up the 14th here, champ. Thats on you. I dont have a clue why you are myna birding in this part of the thread on the 14th.

When one looks at it -- you are the dude that decided 14th was germane yesterday afternoon, for god knows what reason. You do you.

Ove denoted 'due process' in the last very large number of days. But yesterday *you* decided to yammer specifically on the structure and purpose about the 14th. Why? Beats the fk out of me. Now you are complaining that that is the subject. I guess you should ask you and you alone why that is.

Oh, I see why you might be a little lost on why I brought up the 14th. It was post #85 when you said something about his due process. I figured you might have picked up on that, I guess not.
Have a nice Sunday evening.

Im not lost at all on the relevant items. My saying something about Abrego's due process doesnt implicate the 14th in the slightest. Not sure why I would have 'picked up' on something that doesnt exist.

Evasive, I didn't see that coming from you.

Im sorry that you dont understand that your application of the 14th to Abrego is simply empty. Or why I would 'pick up' on your empty excursion. Kind of clear there. Im sorry that you didnt know that it didnt apply. I guess I should be sorry about long ass winded comments about the first 8 words of it to Abrego.

Not much evasiveness in the above, champ. Cant wait for your next rando application of something to something else.

lol! He HAS to get the last word. How many threads has he finished off I wonder?

Wait for it.

DUE PROCESS!

There may not be an individual who had as much due process as Garcia. He had a final order of removal that the previous administration ignored. The only place he couldn't be deported to - by an old court order - was El Salvador. He had due process. All of it.

Also to imply that the "Maryland dad" wasn't an effort to paint him as a mild mannered father who was kidnapped from his family in the middle of the night by ruthless and rogue agents of the Trump administration is not only a hill to die on it demonstrates loyalty to an ideology that criminalizes the law follower and victimizes the criminal. So whether he is or isn't a dad is a moot point. It's the narrative that was being created.