(05-28-2025 09:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 09:40 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 09:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 09:18 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  I;ve said it before and I'll say it again. Biological men don't belong in women's sports. Period. End of story. And to go even further, the plumbing you were born with is the plumbing you're supposed to have. That means if you were born with male parts, you're supposed to be male. If you were born with female parts, you're supposed to be female. Because God made you that way. No ifs, ands, or butts.

Any deviation from that is the work of Satan, and those who fall for his lies are ruined. The only way to turn back from that is to accept God and how He made you.

What are babies born with both parts? It's rare, but does happen.

Go with what kind of chromosomes they have. If it's XX, female. XY (or even XXY), male.

It really isn't that hard, folks. Geez.

Right...it's simple.

Yes, Tom. It actually is. Your side makes it exeedingly difficult when it's not.

It's kinda funny. Your side has been lauded by the legacy media as the side that fights for Women's Rights, but when and where it really mattes, you take the side that goes against everything (and I do mean everything) that has been proven to be beneficial to a woman's well-being and society as a whole as well. But hey, go be a post-modern male feminist. You're so good at it.

Just to reiterate my position on this issue, again, I don't think any transgender person should be allowed to participate in competitions that aren't against their "original" sex.

But that's not my decision to make. The local sports organizations can make whatever decision they want on the matter, and most already do. Not my circus. Leave the federal government out of it!

(05-28-2025 09:52 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 09:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 09:40 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 09:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 09:18 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  I;ve said it before and I'll say it again. Biological men don't belong in women's sports. Period. End of story. And to go even further, the plumbing you were born with is the plumbing you're supposed to have. That means if you were born with male parts, you're supposed to be male. If you were born with female parts, you're supposed to be female. Because God made you that way. No ifs, ands, or butts.

Any deviation from that is the work of Satan, and those who fall for his lies are ruined. The only way to turn back from that is to accept God and how He made you.

What are babies born with both parts? It's rare, but does happen.

Go with what kind of chromosomes they have. If it's XX, female. XY (or even XXY), male.

It really isn't that hard, folks. Geez.

Right...it's simple.

Yes, Tom. It actually is. Your side makes it exeedingly difficult when it's not.

It's kinda funny. Your side has been lauded by the legacy media as the side that fights for Women's Rights, but when and where it really mattes, you take the side that goes against everything (and I do mean everything) that has been proven to be beneficial to a woman's well-being and society as a whole as well. But hey, go be a post-modern male feminist. You're so good at it.

Dude, no, it's not simple. Go take a minute and read up on what parents have to go through in this situation. You make it sound like it's flipping a coin.

(05-28-2025 09:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 09:52 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 09:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 09:40 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 09:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  What are babies born with both parts? It's rare, but does happen.

Go with what kind of chromosomes they have. If it's XX, female. XY (or even XXY), male.

It really isn't that hard, folks. Geez.

Right...it's simple.

Yes, Tom. It actually is. Your side makes it exeedingly difficult when it's not.

It's kinda funny. Your side has been lauded by the legacy media as the side that fights for Women's Rights, but when and where it really mattes, you take the side that goes against everything (and I do mean everything) that has been proven to be beneficial to a woman's well-being and society as a whole as well. But hey, go be a post-modern male feminist. You're so good at it.

Dude, no, it's not simple. Go take a minute and read up on what parents have to go through in this situation. You make it sound like it's flipping a coin.

Dude, yes. It is. That. Simple.

But continue to grasp at those straws, man. You'll eventually get a hold of one that won't slip out of your hand as you close it. I believe in you! YOU CAN DO IT!

(05-28-2025 09:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 09:52 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 09:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 09:40 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 09:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  What are babies born with both parts? It's rare, but does happen.

Go with what kind of chromosomes they have. If it's XX, female. XY (or even XXY), male.

It really isn't that hard, folks. Geez.

Right...it's simple.

Yes, Tom. It actually is. Your side makes it exeedingly difficult when it's not.

It's kinda funny. Your side has been lauded by the legacy media as the side that fights for Women's Rights, but when and where it really mattes, you take the side that goes against everything (and I do mean everything) that has been proven to be beneficial to a woman's well-being and society as a whole as well. But hey, go be a post-modern male feminist. You're so good at it.

Dude, no, it's not simple. Go take a minute and read up on what parents have to go through in this situation. You make it sound like it's flipping a coin.

Right. The same parents that, when their 9 year old, says they want to pretend to be the other gender, the parents say "ok honey" and have their genitals mutilated.

Moron.

(05-28-2025 07:23 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 06:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I guess "the government is too big" is another thing off the table for the cons. Make up your minds.

So you're for men competing in women's sports?

Nope, but I also don't want President Newson or whoever the dems put out there threatening to withhold federal funding from TN if we don't allow transgender males compete in womens sports.

(05-28-2025 10:00 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 09:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 09:52 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 09:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 09:40 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Go with what kind of chromosomes they have. If it's XX, female. XY (or even XXY), male.

It really isn't that hard, folks. Geez.

Right...it's simple.

Yes, Tom. It actually is. Your side makes it exeedingly difficult when it's not.

It's kinda funny. Your side has been lauded by the legacy media as the side that fights for Women's Rights, but when and where it really mattes, you take the side that goes against everything (and I do mean everything) that has been proven to be beneficial to a woman's well-being and society as a whole as well. But hey, go be a post-modern male feminist. You're so good at it.

Dude, no, it's not simple. Go take a minute and read up on what parents have to go through in this situation. You make it sound like it's flipping a coin.

Dude, yes. It is. That. Simple.

But continue to grasp at those straws, man. You'll eventually get a hold of one that won't slip out of your hand as you close it. I believe in you! YOU CAN DO IT!

Once again he flip flops....

We are back on the "if just one life is helped" train


So lets see:

- Covid shot - saving one life is worth it
- Male volleyball player smashes woman's face - it is only one time, what's the big deal
- Now this - If even one person born this way is benefitted it's worth it

(05-28-2025 10:50 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 07:23 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 06:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I guess "the government is too big" is another thing off the table for the cons. Make up your minds.

So you're for men competing in women's sports?

Nope, but I also don't want President Newson or whoever the dems put out there threatening to withhold federal funding from TN if we don't allow transgender males compete in womens sports.

Sometimes a hammer won't do the job, like we used to say when we had trouble installing a part on an airplane, "use a bigger hammer", in this case a sledge hammer.

That's all the Demonics know, sledge hammers over the head for it to sink in.

Tom's ridiculous argument begs one more question...

How many people who were born with this condition are even participating in sports? I am willing to bet the answer is ZERO.

(05-28-2025 10:55 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Tom's ridiculous argument begs one more question...

How many people who were born with this condition are even participating in sports? I am willing to bet the answer is ZERO.

You beat me to it...UGGGHHH!

Here's CA’s Puzzling Response to Trump's Pledge to Cut Title IX Funding

Quote:California Gov. Gavin Newsom was pretty vocal about his belief that it's "fundamentally unfair" for a boy to compete in a girls' sporting event a few months back when he had Charlie Kirk on his podcast, but he's stood silently by while a teenage boy, AB Hernandez, has been making his way to the state track and field championships - in the girls' division. Finally, Newsom has been compelled to speak and act; predictably, those actions and words are puzzling and do not at all address the issue.

Chino Valley Unified School Board President Sonja Shaw and others have loudly protested Hernandez's inclusion in girls' track and field meets and have been met with harassment by his mother and derision from California Democrats.

As a result of Shaw's efforts, President Trump became aware of the terrible situation and sent Newsom a very clear message Tuesday morning, as my colleague Ward Clark reported.

Trump wrote, in part:

This week a transitioned Male athlete, at a major event, won “everything,” and is now qualified to compete in the “State Finals” next weekend. As a Male, he was a less than average competitor. As a Female, this transitioned person is practically unbeatable. THIS IS NOT FAIR, AND TOTALLY DEMEANING TO WOMEN AND GIRLS. Please be hereby advised that large scale Federal Funding will be held back, maybe permanently, if the Executive Order on this subject matter is not adhered to. The Governor, himself, said it is “UNFAIR.” I will speak to him today to find out which way he wants to go??? In the meantime I am ordering local authorities, if necessary, to not allow the transitioned person to compete in the State Finals. This is a totally ridiculous situation!!!

The governing body for high school sports in the state, the California Interscholastic Federation, issued a statement Tuesday saying that after the meet Trump referenced they decided to "pilot an entry process" for the upcoming state championship meet, ostensibly to allow girls who were displaced by AB Hernandez to compete. But the statement is confusing, at best.

The CIF values all of our student-athletes and we will continue to uphold our mission of providing students with the opportunity to belong, connect, and compete while complying with California law and Education Code. With this in mind, the CIF will be implementing a pilot entry process for the 2025 CIF State Track and Field Championships.

Under this pilot entry process, any biological female student-athlete who would have earned the next qualifying mark for one of their Section's automatic qualifying entries in the CIF State meet, and did not achieve the CIF State at-large mark in the finals at their Section meet, was extended an opportunity to participate in the 2025 CIF State Track and Field Championships. The CIF believes this pilot entry process achieves the participation opportunities we seek to afford our student-athletes.

In the first sentence of the second paragraph, there seems to be something missing. As it is written, it implies that any biological female student-athlete who didn't earn an automatic qualifying entry or at-large mark was invited to participate in the state championship. I assume that they meant any biological female who would have qualified but for the participation of a biological male in their meets was (or would be) invited.

This pilot problem also doesn't solve the problem. If the boys who took the female athletes' place at the championship meet are still allowed to compete in the meet, what chance do the female athletes have to win? So CIF is allowing them to come compete against boys AGAIN? Big whoop.

According to reporting from KCRA's Ashley Zavala, the girls won't be scored against the boys:

Gov. Gavin Newsom's office clarified that the CIF's pilot policy also means events at the Track and Field Championships on May 30-31 in Clovis will score separately for transgender students. So there could now be three first place winners in the Long Jump competition, for example: One biological boy, one trans athlete, and one girl.

"CIF's proposed pilot is a reasonable, respectful way to navigate a complex issue without compromising competitive fairness," said Izzy Gardon, a spokesperson for Gov. Gavin Newsom. "The Governor is encouraged by this thoughtful approach."

But that's not stated anywhere in CIF's statement, and it's not outlined anywhere on their website as of press time.

Unnamed sources also told Zavala that CIF "had informed the governor of the change weeks ago, before the president's social media post." If that's true, why wasn't it announced earlier? And since CIF's policies are based on California law and the California Education Code, has something changed there allowing them to do this pilot policy? Was there a board vote allowing it? Or is this back-door politics? Knowing Newsom, everyone he spoke to probably had to sign an NDA.

Shaw, who is running for California Superintendent of Public Instruction, had a lot to say about this development.

We asked President Trump to intervene and he HEARD us. The hammer is coming down.

Newsom sued our district just for involving parents. California is allowing males to dominate girls sports. One just swept a girls event and is headed to the State Finals. His mother sent cease and desist letters to Jessica Tapia and me, then confronted me at the track. She even demanded CPS be called on me for protecting our daughters.

This is not inclusion. It is invasion. It is discrimination. It is a violation of Title IX and a direct attack on every female athlete who trains with integrity and competes for her future.

I have received death threats. One activist even offered money for someone to smash my head with a hammer. But we are not backing down.

Multiple school boards passed the resolution I authored to protect girls sports. Let’s flip those seats. We filed civil rights complaints. We sent letters directly to President Trump.

Now he is calling it what it is. Illegal. Unfair. Ridiculous. He is threatening to pull federal funding, and I say pull it now. California has made it clear they will not comply.

If you're under any impression that AB Hernandez's mom is simply looking out for her child, have a gander at this gaslighting, abusive, and threatening video she posted before a regional meet a few weeks ago.

Let's hope President Trump sees that video, too.

(05-28-2025 12:20 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Let's hope President Trump sees that video, too.

I will freely admit that if one of my daughters was having to compete against the male-in-drag, only to then be mocked by this selfishly insensitive clip from the smarmy mom of the imposter, I would be enraged.

Having said that, I am not the parent of any of the victimized girls. And neither is Donald Trump. He may think that he has unlimited bandwidth, and that it is his place to be champion addressing every wrong in this country. But I don't agree. With what limited time and focus that he has, I would prefer that President Trump restrict it to where he can make a difference. This is not the place for him to weigh in.

What I would instead prefer is for him to spend every ounce of energy he has in pushing the DOGE cuts. That will make a difference. Let the parents of these girls - - assisted by better qualified spokespeople such as Matt Walsh and J.K. Rowling - - take on the unfairness of mentally ill men invading girls' sports.

(05-28-2025 12:40 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  What I would instead prefer is for him to spend every ounce of energy he has in pushing the DOGE cuts. That will make a difference. Let the parents of these girls - - assisted by better qualified spokespeople such as Matt Walsh and J.K. Rowling - - take on the unfairness of mentally ill men invading girls' sports.

Hard to disagree, but Matt Walsh nor JK Rowling have the hammer in their pocket that Trump has. And that is Federal Funding.

Very few things in this world hit harder, faster and deeper than taking money funding away.

In case you haven't noticed, nobody seems to care any more about negative words being tossed at them, or protests, or even public opinion against them.

Money talks and that is about it. See Harvard.... they are still fighting the good fight (they think they are anyways) but they cannot outlast 12-16 Billion dollars drying up over the next 3+ years. The longer they stop their feet and hold their breath, the deeper the damage that will be done and they don't see it.

That lady is mentally ill. Period.

BREAKING: DOJ Launches Title IX Investigation Against California's High School Sports Governing Body

Quote:A day after President Trump warned California officials that the state's practice of allowing boys who identify as female to compete in girls' sports could jeopardize "large scale" federal funding to the state, the U.S. Department of Justice announced an investigation against the California Interscholastic Federation (CIF) and Jurupa Valley Unified School District to determine if that practice violates Title IX, the federal law prohibiting discrimination on the basis of sex in education.

The Department of Education launched a Title IX investigation against CIF back in February; on Wednesday Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights Harmeet Dhillon informed CIF that in light of the news that "California's top-ranked girls' triple jumper, and second-ranked girls' long jumper, is a boy," her office is joining the US ED's investigation.

In a notification letter to CIF, Dhillon said that her office is already investigating the California Department of Education to determine whether it "denied female students equal athletic benefits and opportunities to compete in athletics by requiring them to compete against male students who claim to be girls."

California law permits males to participate in female sports in public schools and allows them to use female spaces such as locker rooms, and CIF has codified that in their bylaws as well. Dhillon writes:

"My office has found reasonable cause to believe that CIF, too, is engaging in a pattern or practice of discrimination against female athletes. CIF maintains a policy, CIF Bylaw 300.0, that permits, directs, instructs, or requires California high schools to allow males to participate in girls' interscholastic athletics, thereby depriving girls and young women of equal athletic opportunities.

"As a result of CIF's policy, California's top-ranked girls' triple jumper, and second-ranked girls' long jumper, is a boy. As recently as May 17, this male athlete was allowed to take winning titles that rightfully belong to female athletes in both events. The male athlete will now be allowed to compete against those female athletes again for a state title in long, triple, and high jump. Other high school female athletes have alleged that they were likewise robbed of podium positions and spots on their teams after they were forced to compete against males. Even California Governor Gavin Newsom has acknowledged that this practice is "deeply unfair" to girls and young women."

Dhillon has directed US Attorney for the Central District of California Bill Essayli to also investigate "whether the actions of CIF, CA ED, the Jurupa Unified School District, and any applicable state laws, violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution."

Essayli had some pointed words for California's elected officials on the matter:

"The law is clear: Discrimination on the basis of sex is illegal and immoral. My office and the rest of the Department of Justice will work tirelessly to protect girls’ sports and stop anyone - public officials included- from violating women’s civil rights.”

Sonja Shaw, President of neighboring Chino Valley Unified School District Board, lodged formal complaints with the US ED and US DOJ against CIF and JVUSD in February after learning that AB Hernandez, a male student-athlete, was competing as a female at CIF-sponsored track meets.

You can read Dhillon's full letter to CIF below.

I am opposed to any party using the blunt instrument of withholding federal money for relatively minor issues. However, I also do not believe in unilateral disarmament and the Dem’s routinely threaten to cut off federal money. The Dem’s have no one to blame but themselves unless they repudiate their past behavior and pledge fidelity to neutrality henceforth.

this is NOT a "relatively minor issue". This affects the very core of our society.

(05-28-2025 02:25 PM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  this is NOT a "relatively minor issue". This affects the very core of our society.

100% correct. For those of us who have a daughter, this should make your blood boil.

If my daughter were out there and a boy showed up to compete, I'd be spending the night in jail or worse. I can't believe more dads aren't going absolutely ape$hit at these sporting events when a boy steps out on the field.

Agree. Two daughters. Two granddaughters. Not a minor issue.

(05-28-2025 01:53 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  ...the Dem’s routinely threaten to cut off federal money.

They do? Do you have some examples? I thought Dems existed only to spend federal money.