(05-11-2025 01:16 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:08 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 12:42 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 12:24 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 12:16 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  So the response from the Trumpistas on this transaction is 'nothing to see', 'whadabout (something Biden)', and the general 'nothing but TDS' ?

Seriously?

Nothing at all unsavory? Especially with the apparent aim of Trump keeping it after the Presidency?

So why not wait until there is actual conflict of interest/quid pro quo that looks suspicious? I’ll absolutely grant your argument if that eventually happens, but until then…no.

Historical context offers that this happens pretty often with other POTUS’. Clinton got a million from Qatar that went to his foundation. Obama received gifts from Saudi Arabia.

Was there quid pro quo there? I don’t recall that happening with Obama and Clinton. Could be wrong.

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

Yea, that’s why the loaner is going to the government, then over to the Trump Memorial Asss Kicking Golden Palace Library Foundation

Or, for short the TMAKGPLF, a non-profit property of the U.S. Gov’t.

So, rest easy Crazy’s, at no time will your favorite POTUS personally own this magnificent, beautiful plane.

Loons gon loon, I guess.

Because its a deferred gift, then it somehow makes the bribe ok?
If they want to present the plane as a gift to the United States, then so be it. If they are giving it as a loaner until Trump can assume control once out of office, then its a bribe.

You didn’t bother to read your own article again, did you?

It IS being given to the U.S. govt. SOD Hegseth to accept this generous offer.

MOB just happens to be POTUS right now.
Sounds like your real complaint should be with Boeing.

(05-11-2025 01:28 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:16 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:08 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 12:42 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 12:24 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  So why not wait until there is actual conflict of interest/quid pro quo that looks suspicious? I’ll absolutely grant your argument if that eventually happens, but until then…no.

Historical context offers that this happens pretty often with other POTUS’. Clinton got a million from Qatar that went to his foundation. Obama received gifts from Saudi Arabia.

Was there quid pro quo there? I don’t recall that happening with Obama and Clinton. Could be wrong.

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

Yea, that’s why the loaner is going to the government, then over to the Trump Memorial Asss Kicking Golden Palace Library Foundation

Or, for short the TMAKGPLF, a non-profit property of the U.S. Gov’t.

So, rest easy Crazy’s, at no time will your favorite POTUS personally own this magnificent, beautiful plane.

Loons gon loon, I guess.

Because its a deferred gift, then it somehow makes the bribe ok?
If they want to present the plane as a gift to the United States, then so be it. If they are giving it as a loaner until Trump can assume control once out of office, then its a bribe.

You didn’t bother to read your own article again, did you?

It IS being given to the U.S. govt. SOD Hegseth to accept this generous offer.

MOB just happens to be POTUS right now.
Sounds like your real complaint should be with Boeing.

Nope.
The plane transfers ownership the day Trump leaves office.

(05-11-2025 01:25 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:22 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Your TDS is incredible

The crazy thing is I've actually seen people with worse cases of TDS. Hell, one of them was the mother of the woman I was married to.

You’re divorced?
shocking

(05-11-2025 01:43 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:25 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:22 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Your TDS is incredible

The crazy thing is I've actually seen people with worse cases of TDS. Hell, one of them was the mother of the woman I was married to.

You’re divorced?
shocking

Are you married, Mensa?

(05-11-2025 01:30 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:28 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:16 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:08 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 12:42 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

Yea, that’s why the loaner is going to the government, then over to the Trump Memorial Asss Kicking Golden Palace Library Foundation

Or, for short the TMAKGPLF, a non-profit property of the U.S. Gov’t.

So, rest easy Crazy’s, at no time will your favorite POTUS personally own this magnificent, beautiful plane.

Loons gon loon, I guess.

Because its a deferred gift, then it somehow makes the bribe ok?
If they want to present the plane as a gift to the United States, then so be it. If they are giving it as a loaner until Trump can assume control once out of office, then its a bribe.

You didn’t bother to read your own article again, did you?

It IS being given to the U.S. govt. SOD Hegseth to accept this generous offer.

MOB just happens to be POTUS right now.
Sounds like your real complaint should be with Boeing.

Nope.
The plane transfers ownership the day Trump leaves office.

It'll be an issue for you with JDV, but not Gavin Newsom or AOC. Right, Mensa?

(05-11-2025 01:28 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:22 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Your TDS is incredible

Nope.
Its simply your worship of Trump is blindingly your objectivity.

Again, if Trump accepts the “gift” on behalf of the American people, then so be it. If he accepts it as a personal gift, then its a bribe and a complete conflict of interest.

If you seriously think I worship Trump you’re stupider than I gave you credit for.

(05-11-2025 12:51 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 12:44 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 12:24 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 12:16 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  So the response from the Trumpistas on this transaction is 'nothing to see', 'whadabout (something Biden)', and the general 'nothing but TDS' ?

Seriously?

Nothing at all unsavory? Especially with the apparent aim of Trump keeping it after the Presidency?

So why not wait until there is actual conflict of interest/quid pro quo that looks suspicious? I’ll absolutely grant your argument if that eventually happens, but until then…no.

I guess you are okay with Hunter/ Joe then.

I'm not.

And not for the absolute appearance of something ******.

Glad you wish to write it off.

Quote:Historical context offers that this happens pretty often with other POTUS’. Clinton got a million from Qatar that went to his foundation. Obama received gifts from Saudi Arabia.

During their Presidency? Nope. Not at all the same.

When Hillary was SoS, and later running -- absolutely disgusting appearance.

Quote:Was there quid pro quo there? I don’t recall that happening with Obama and Clinton. Could be wrong.

I think you are conflating out of office issues with in office issues. And absolutely with in office -- it's crappy. It wholly creates the wrong thing. Additionally with the comments that it would follow Trump and not the office -- even more so.

Can you demonstrate where the quid pro quo lies?

“Bribes” can happen during office, and be delayed in order to not violate the emoluments clause. And I’m not saying that Obama and Clinton did anything wrong, unless there was direct actions that helped the bribing country.

If there is zero harm done from a political standpoint, and the money isn’t hurting taxpayers…why does it matter anyway? [/quote]

Because it sends the message that 'quid pro quo' is the order of the day.

If I send my county commissioner 100k simply because, he should *absolutely* turn it away. And there absolutely *should* be an investigation into the proposed 'gift' (i.e. quid without a pro quo).

Even more so with the Presidency -- especially now that the office of the Presidency now holds an extra special layer of criminal immunity about it.

If the comment is 'there is nothing wrong or bad about it because there isnt any *known* return favor' -- I would say yo uand I live on different planets of what should and should not occur.

Quote:We allow congressional representatives to insider trade and tip the market with impunity and nobody says a word. It’s a joke.

And we shouldnt allow that. And that is the current excuse now?

(05-11-2025 01:28 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:22 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Your TDS is incredible

Nope.
Its simply your worship of Trump is blindingly your objectivity.

Again, if Trump accepts the “gift” on behalf of the American people, then so be it. If he accepts it as a personal gift, then its a bribe and a complete conflict of interest.

Have you ever heard of Hunter Biden? Or Joe Biden? What they did was actually illegal, not just a "bad look."

It's not bribery if the gifting party receives no tangible benefit. Name the benefit.

(05-11-2025 01:43 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:25 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:22 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Your TDS is incredible

The crazy thing is I've actually seen people with worse cases of TDS. Hell, one of them was the mother of the woman I was married to.

You’re divorced?
shocking

Yes, I am. My ex-wife, who was also a Trump supporter, cheated on me. And her mom never liked me anyway. I did everything I could for that woman, and she left me for another guy anyway. If I could do it all over again, I would've stayed a virgin and not gotten with her at all because she turned out to be a soul-sucking harpy. (Those who remember me from the C-USA days, especially the Marshall Swimmer thread, remember my vow of waiting until marriage to lose my virginity. If I had to do it all over again, I would've chosen to die a virgin. That's how betrayed I felt at the time.)

And don't try to defend her. She's not going to see this. Besides, the guy she left me for was a Saudi guy with money. (Who then hit it and quit it and she tried to come crawling back to me. That's when I told her no.)

(05-11-2025 01:28 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:16 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:08 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 12:42 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 12:24 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  So why not wait until there is actual conflict of interest/quid pro quo that looks suspicious? I’ll absolutely grant your argument if that eventually happens, but until then…no.

Historical context offers that this happens pretty often with other POTUS’. Clinton got a million from Qatar that went to his foundation. Obama received gifts from Saudi Arabia.

Was there quid pro quo there? I don’t recall that happening with Obama and Clinton. Could be wrong.

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

Yea, that’s why the loaner is going to the government, then over to the Trump Memorial Asss Kicking Golden Palace Library Foundation

Or, for short the TMAKGPLF, a non-profit property of the U.S. Gov’t.

So, rest easy Crazy’s, at no time will your favorite POTUS personally own this magnificent, beautiful plane.

Loons gon loon, I guess.

Because its a deferred gift, then it somehow makes the bribe ok?
If they want to present the plane as a gift to the United States, then so be it. If they are giving it as a loaner until Trump can assume control once out of office, then its a bribe.

You didn’t bother to read your own article again, did you?

It IS being given to the U.S. govt. SOD Hegseth to accept this generous offer.

MOB just happens to be POTUS right now.
Sounds like your real complaint should be with Boeing.

The real complaint is that the plane transfers ownership to Trump right after the Presidential term.

If Qatar wants to give the US govt a plane without strings attached -- by all means no problems with it. If it is giving the plane to Trump sub rosa -- there is a serious problem with that.

(05-11-2025 01:47 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:30 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:28 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:16 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:08 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Yea, that’s why the loaner is going to the government, then over to the Trump Memorial Asss Kicking Golden Palace Library Foundation

Or, for short the TMAKGPLF, a non-profit property of the U.S. Gov’t.

So, rest easy Crazy’s, at no time will your favorite POTUS personally own this magnificent, beautiful plane.

Loons gon loon, I guess.

Because its a deferred gift, then it somehow makes the bribe ok?
If they want to present the plane as a gift to the United States, then so be it. If they are giving it as a loaner until Trump can assume control once out of office, then its a bribe.

You didn’t bother to read your own article again, did you?

It IS being given to the U.S. govt. SOD Hegseth to accept this generous offer.

MOB just happens to be POTUS right now.
Sounds like your real complaint should be with Boeing.

Nope.
The plane transfers ownership the day Trump leaves office.

It'll be an issue for you with JDV, but not Gavin Newsom or AOC. Right, Mensa?

If the plane remains the property of the US taxpayer and is kept in service for the next President, regardless of party, then so be it.

If, if, if...nobody has done a damn thing wrong yet, and may never.

Like I said, a bad look, but not illegal.

(05-11-2025 01:52 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:28 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:22 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Your TDS is incredible

Nope.
Its simply your worship of Trump is blindingly your objectivity.

Again, if Trump accepts the “gift” on behalf of the American people, then so be it. If he accepts it as a personal gift, then its a bribe and a complete conflict of interest.

Have you ever heard of Hunter Biden? Or Joe Biden? What they did was actually illegal, not just a "bad look."

It's not bribery if the gifting party receives no tangible benefit. Name the benefit.

are you serious? Do you honestly think they’re giving a billion dollar gift to Donald Trump and expect nothing in return?

(05-11-2025 01:30 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:28 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:16 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:08 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 12:42 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

Yea, that’s why the loaner is going to the government, then over to the Trump Memorial Asss Kicking Golden Palace Library Foundation

Or, for short the TMAKGPLF, a non-profit property of the U.S. Gov’t.

So, rest easy Crazy’s, at no time will your favorite POTUS personally own this magnificent, beautiful plane.

Loons gon loon, I guess.

Because its a deferred gift, then it somehow makes the bribe ok?
If they want to present the plane as a gift to the United States, then so be it. If they are giving it as a loaner until Trump can assume control once out of office, then its a bribe.

You didn’t bother to read your own article again, did you?

It IS being given to the U.S. govt. SOD Hegseth to accept this generous offer.

MOB just happens to be POTUS right now.
Sounds like your real complaint should be with Boeing.

Nope.
The plane transfers ownership the day Trump leaves office.

To the presidential library. Another Federal property.

Tell you what.

Actually go READ your own article (or whatever has been posted above) then come moan and whine if needed. Everything you’ve said “If” this, “if” that is exactly what they say is gonna happen.

Seems you dun been duped again, same as whoever/whatever you’re listening to.

So sad.

(05-11-2025 01:45 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:43 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:25 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:22 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Your TDS is incredible

The crazy thing is I've actually seen people with worse cases of TDS. Hell, one of them was the mother of the woman I was married to.

You’re divorced?
shocking

Are you married, Mensa?

yep… been so for 30 years

(05-11-2025 01:55 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:47 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:30 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:28 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:16 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Because its a deferred gift, then it somehow makes the bribe ok?
If they want to present the plane as a gift to the United States, then so be it. If they are giving it as a loaner until Trump can assume control once out of office, then its a bribe.

You didn’t bother to read your own article again, did you?

It IS being given to the U.S. govt. SOD Hegseth to accept this generous offer.

MOB just happens to be POTUS right now.
Sounds like your real complaint should be with Boeing.

Nope.
The plane transfers ownership the day Trump leaves office.

It'll be an issue for you with JDV, but not Gavin Newsom or AOC. Right, Mensa?

If the plane remains the property of the US taxpayer and is kept in service for the next President, regardless of party, then so be it.

But that doesnt seem to be the plan. The government is *already* looking to re-deed the plane when Trump leaves office to Trump's use.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...ngNewsSerp

I find it astonishing that so much foundation has been laid for the re-deed. This really smacks of bad stuff.

And as you said Marc -- If the plane remains the property of the US taxpayer and is kept in service for the next President, regardless of party, then that's fine.

But that doesnt seem to be the overall plan.

(05-11-2025 02:00 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:45 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:43 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:25 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:22 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Your TDS is incredible

The crazy thing is I've actually seen people with worse cases of TDS. Hell, one of them was the mother of the woman I was married to.

You’re divorced?
shocking

Are you married, Mensa?

yep… been so for 30 years

Congratulations.

I mean that. That's awesome, man. Congratulations. You married the right woman for you. I thought I had married the right woman for me, but it turns out that I didn't.

(05-11-2025 02:00 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:45 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:43 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:25 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:22 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Your TDS is incredible

The crazy thing is I've actually seen people with worse cases of TDS. Hell, one of them was the mother of the woman I was married to.

You’re divorced?
shocking

Are you married, Mensa?

yep… been so for 30 years

Hmmm. Interesting.

(05-11-2025 01:59 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:52 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:28 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-11-2025 01:22 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Your TDS is incredible

Nope.
Its simply your worship of Trump is blindingly your objectivity.

Again, if Trump accepts the “gift” on behalf of the American people, then so be it. If he accepts it as a personal gift, then its a bribe and a complete conflict of interest.

Have you ever heard of Hunter Biden? Or Joe Biden? What they did was actually illegal, not just a "bad look."

It's not bribery if the gifting party receives no tangible benefit. Name the benefit.

are you serious? Do you honestly think they’re giving a billion dollar gift to Donald Trump and expect nothing in return?

Assumptions don't equal crimes. Come back and complain when something actually happens. Seriously, lol.

And again, I don't recall you getting all stirred up when Hunter took bribes and committed actual crimes for likely hundreds of millions.

(05-11-2025 01:59 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  To the presidential library. Another Federal property.

Why dont you go read up on the personal use by ex-Presidents of items in the respective libraries.