(04-05-2025 07:16 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(04-04-2025 05:09 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(04-04-2025 05:07 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(04-04-2025 04:33 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Tape is probably still the cheapest immutable backup medium for regulatory environments. Backup to a deduped disk backup array, then run tapes off from it for long term storage. Cheaper than pushing it to Glacier.

Bwhahahaha

If you're stuck in the 90s

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LTO-9 is $0.0047 per gig to purchase. That is 5 months of cost for glacier deep archive for a backup that can now be stored indefinitely.

For large environments with regulatory requirements to keep backups for very long term like banks and some .gov tape is still cheaper. Write tape to an online deduplicated backup appliance for near term operational recovery then run an LTO backup from that for long term archive.

Been picking cherries lately? You list the absolute bare bones price when you know the price range is up to .02 per gig. Plus, you need more human labor when dealing with tape storage unless you build a big ass robotic juke box. The cost savings come in by reducing the number of unionized cant touch me overpaid over-benefited fed do nothing employees. Hard disks are then cheaper as they can remain online without humans having to interact with them as often.

No argument they ever offer is the whole story. Cherry picking is all they have.

(04-05-2025 08:13 AM)Trojanbybirth Wrote:  

(04-05-2025 07:16 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(04-04-2025 05:09 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(04-04-2025 05:07 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(04-04-2025 04:33 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Tape is probably still the cheapest immutable backup medium for regulatory environments. Backup to a deduped disk backup array, then run tapes off from it for long term storage. Cheaper than pushing it to Glacier.

Bwhahahaha

If you're stuck in the 90s

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LTO-9 is $0.0047 per gig to purchase. That is 5 months of cost for glacier deep archive for a backup that can now be stored indefinitely.

For large environments with regulatory requirements to keep backups for very long term like banks and some .gov tape is still cheaper. Write tape to an online deduplicated backup appliance for near term operational recovery then run an LTO backup from that for long term archive.

Been picking cherries lately? You list the absolute bare bones price when you know the price range is up to .02 per gig. Plus, you need more human labor when dealing with tape storage unless you build a big ass robotic juke box. The cost savings come in by reducing the number of unionized cant touch me overpaid over-benefited fed do nothing employees. Hard disks are then cheaper as they can remain online without humans having to interact with them as often.

Which is why all the banks have big ass IBM TS robots.

Tape is still a $5.5B a year market for a reason. If you have regulatory requirements to keep immutable backup data extremely long time periods it is the cheapest option.

I just heard an interesting stat from a financial analyst.

Fed gov employment has QUADRUPLED since 2005.

(04-05-2025 09:12 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I just heard an interesting stat from a financial analyst.

Fed gov employment has QUADRUPLED since 2005.

Nope.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CES9091000001

According to response (as edited by me) by AI Grok to the question "what are industry standards for long term data storage?":

Overview
Industry standards for long-term data storage focus on ensuring data integrity, accessibility, durability, and security over extended periods—often decades or more. These standards vary depending on the industry (e.g., healthcare, finance, government, media), regulatory requirements, and the type of data being stored. Below is an overview of key principles and widely accepted standards:

Media Types
Magnetic Tape: Still a gold standard for long-term archival (e.g., LTO-9 tapes with ~18 TB capacity). Lifespan can exceed 30 years if stored properly (cool, dry, stable conditions).

Optical Discs: Formats like M-DISC claim 1,000-year lifespans, though they’re less common due to lower capacity (~100 GB).

Hard Drives (HDDs/SSDs): Used for shorter-term archiving (5-10 years) due to mechanical wear or flash memory degradation.

Cloud Storage: Increasingly popular for long-term storage with providers offering "cold storage" tiers (e.g., AWS Glacier, Azure Archive) designed for infrequent access and high durability.

Preservation Practices
Migration: Regularly transferring data to new media or formats to avoid obsolescence (e.g., moving from floppy disks to cloud).

Emulation: Maintaining access to old software/hardware environments to read legacy data.

Refresh Cycles: Checking and rewriting data every 5-10 years to prevent bit rot (data degradation over time).

Conclusion
The "best" approach depends on cost, access frequency, and legal requirements. For instance, tape is cheap and durable but slow to retrieve, while cloud offers flexibility but recurring costs

It appears Magnetic Tape is an acceptable option, but it depends on purpose and preservation practice.

(04-05-2025 07:16 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(04-04-2025 05:09 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(04-04-2025 05:07 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(04-04-2025 04:33 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Tape is probably still the cheapest immutable backup medium for regulatory environments. Backup to a deduped disk backup array, then run tapes off from it for long term storage. Cheaper than pushing it to Glacier.

Bwhahahaha

If you're stuck in the 90s

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LTO-9 is $0.0047 per gig to purchase. That is 5 months of cost for glacier deep archive for a backup that can now be stored indefinitely.

For large environments with regulatory requirements to keep backups for very long term like banks and some .gov tape is still cheaper. Write tape to an online deduplicated backup appliance for near term operational recovery then run an LTO backup from that for long term archive.

Having card catalogs in libraries would be cheaper, too

The overarching argument here is really about how effin backward, nonintegrated, and outdated government systems and technology are

There are federal systems that absolutely should not be using tape storage in the government, the large majority shouldn't.

There are reasons they do though, hmmmm wonder why



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(04-05-2025 09:21 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(04-05-2025 09:12 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I just heard an interesting stat from a financial analyst.

Fed gov employment has QUADRUPLED since 2005.

Nope.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CES9091000001

Well, that is sure as hell what he said. Maybe he meant since 1940. Feel better?

(04-05-2025 11:04 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-05-2025 09:21 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(04-05-2025 09:12 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I just heard an interesting stat from a financial analyst.

Fed gov employment has QUADRUPLED since 2005.

Nope.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CES9091000001

Well, that is sure as hell what he said. Maybe he meant since 1940. Feel better?

The patented Trump defense against lying - “People are saying”.

(04-05-2025 12:42 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(04-05-2025 11:04 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-05-2025 09:21 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(04-05-2025 09:12 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I just heard an interesting stat from a financial analyst.

Fed gov employment has QUADRUPLED since 2005.

Nope.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CES9091000001

Well, that is sure as hell what he said. Maybe he meant since 1940. Feel better?

The patented Trump defense against lying - “People are saying”.

What's often missed or maybe purposely overlooked is the fact the federal government has more contractor employees than actual employees. It's their way of "hiding" the actual costs of employees.

Ive seen this in state government. There are more contract employees than actual state govt employees. You can work in an office beside someone doing the exact same job as you and one is a state govt employee and the other is a contract employee. The legislators, the media, and the public often don't have a clue how many are employees because of this way of "hiding" employment costs.

(04-05-2025 02:42 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-05-2025 12:05 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  How much is Musk going to make off the contracts he gets after the DOGE cuts, especially since 40% of the contracts he has cut will save no money?

Well, so far he’s made something like 7 mill I think I read.

Meanwhile losing 200+ BILLION from the psychotic CRAZIES ruining the very product they begged for. For many decades.
Psychosis may be bad.

Being flat out fvcking CRAZY may actually be worse.

Sad

Have any charges been filed against the “psychotic CRAZIES”?


And at how many government agencies are they now talking about using Starlink for? FAA, NASA and NOAA just to name a few. While you all are simpin’ for don’t tax the rich the largest wealth transfer in history will take place. Not to mention the amount of data we will putting into the hands on one company/man.

Quote:Dem Rep Steny Hoyer is asked if Democrat rhetoric is inciting Tesla attacks — frames his entire answer around January 6:

"I would urge everybody no matter how strongly we feel to reject violence as an alternative. That’s not what we ought to be in America any more than January 6th which was an insurrection violent attempt to overthrow the decision-making processes of the Congress of the United States. We ought not to resort to that."

"I would urge everybody they can demonstrate they can have signs they can urge they can write letters to the editor they can write to their members of Congress call them show up at town meetings but let’s not resort to violence our society is violent enough as it is."

“And the president of the United States uh in effect told the American people on January 6th and told those people when he said go down to Washington and fight like hell to resort to violence we ought not to do that so I would urge all whatever people think not to resort to violence against Tesla uh Musk or anybody else."

After all of that, he never got around to addressing Democrats’ incendiary rhetoric...

(04-05-2025 01:36 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(04-05-2025 02:42 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-05-2025 12:05 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  How much is Musk going to make off the contracts he gets after the DOGE cuts, especially since 40% of the contracts he has cut will save no money?

Well, so far he’s made something like 7 mill I think I read.

Meanwhile losing 200+ BILLION from the psychotic CRAZIES ruining the very product they begged for. For many decades.
Psychosis may be bad.

Being flat out fvcking CRAZY may actually be worse.

Sad

Have any charges been filed against the “psychotic CRAZIES”?


And at how many government agencies are they now talking about using Starlink for? FAA, NASA and NOAA just to name a few. While you all are simpin’ for don’t tax the rich the largest wealth transfer in history will take place. Not to mention the amount of data we will putting into the hands on one company/man.

Lots dumb ass, and it will continue

Its amazing how retarded people have become and have lost their minds.

This is how your idiotic posts sound

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(04-05-2025 12:42 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(04-05-2025 11:04 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-05-2025 09:21 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(04-05-2025 09:12 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I just heard an interesting stat from a financial analyst.

Fed gov employment has QUADRUPLED since 2005.

Nope.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CES9091000001

Well, that is sure as hell what he said. Maybe he meant since 1940. Feel better?

The patented Trump defense against lying - “People are saying”.

You think I made that up, dickhead?

(04-05-2025 02:38 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-05-2025 12:42 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(04-05-2025 11:04 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-05-2025 09:21 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(04-05-2025 09:12 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I just heard an interesting stat from a financial analyst.

Fed gov employment has QUADRUPLED since 2005.

Nope.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CES9091000001

Well, that is sure as hell what he said. Maybe he meant since 1940. Feel better?

The patented Trump defense against lying - “People are saying”.

You think I made that up, dickhead?

I just heard something interesting at the gym. They told me you sleep with goats.

(04-05-2025 03:03 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(04-05-2025 02:38 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-05-2025 12:42 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(04-05-2025 11:04 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-05-2025 09:21 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Nope.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CES9091000001

Well, that is sure as hell what he said. Maybe he meant since 1940. Feel better?

The patented Trump defense against lying - “People are saying”.

You think I made that up, dickhead?

I just heard something interesting at the gym. They told me you sleep with goats.

And your momma told me she dropped you on your head when you were a baby.

Btw, the financial analyst was on Fox TV, not in a gym. Nice try.

(04-05-2025 08:55 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(04-05-2025 08:13 AM)Trojanbybirth Wrote:  

(04-05-2025 07:16 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(04-04-2025 05:09 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(04-04-2025 05:07 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Tape is probably still the cheapest immutable backup medium for regulatory environments. Backup to a deduped disk backup array, then run tapes off from it for long term storage. Cheaper than pushing it to Glacier.

Bwhahahaha

If you're stuck in the 90s

Sent from my SM-S928U using Tapatalk

LTO-9 is $0.0047 per gig to purchase. That is 5 months of cost for glacier deep archive for a backup that can now be stored indefinitely.

For large environments with regulatory requirements to keep backups for very long term like banks and some .gov tape is still cheaper. Write tape to an online deduplicated backup appliance for near term operational recovery then run an LTO backup from that for long term archive.

Been picking cherries lately? You list the absolute bare bones price when you know the price range is up to .02 per gig. Plus, you need more human labor when dealing with tape storage unless you build a big ass robotic juke box. The cost savings come in by reducing the number of unionized cant touch me overpaid over-benefited fed do nothing employees. Hard disks are then cheaper as they can remain online without humans having to interact with them as often.

Which is why all the banks have big ass IBM TS robots.

Tape is still a $5.5B a year market for a reason. If you have regulatory requirements to keep immutable backup data extremely long time periods it is the cheapest option.

oh FFS...

The "tape" backups you did your research on (that costs 2 cents per gig for storage) isnt the same type of tape DOGE just replaced. Because the type of tape storage at 2 cents per gig isnt 70 year old technology. VTL's only came about in the late 90's. (I purchased one of the earliest from IBM. ) LTO's didnt come about until after VTL's. So the technology you are talking about is only 25 years old.

These were probably old open face reels that they were spending an arm and leg on for storage.

(04-05-2025 02:35 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(04-05-2025 01:36 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(04-05-2025 02:42 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-05-2025 12:05 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  How much is Musk going to make off the contracts he gets after the DOGE cuts, especially since 40% of the contracts he has cut will save no money?

Well, so far he’s made something like 7 mill I think I read.

Meanwhile losing 200+ BILLION from the psychotic CRAZIES ruining the very product they begged for. For many decades.
Psychosis may be bad.

Being flat out fvcking CRAZY may actually be worse.

Sad

Have any charges been filed against the “psychotic CRAZIES”?


And at how many government agencies are they now talking about using Starlink for? FAA, NASA and NOAA just to name a few. While you all are simpin’ for don’t tax the rich the largest wealth transfer in history will take place. Not to mention the amount of data we will putting into the hands on one company/man.

Lots dumb ass, and it will continue

Its amazing how retarded people have become and have lost their minds.

This is how your idiotic posts sound

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But okay cool let’s just let it happen because he is cleaning out the swamp!!!

(04-09-2025 01:05 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

...and in tomorrow's episode...

Why all the suspense, just blurt it out. This is like watching a soap opera.