(02-28-2025 12:48 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Fox News is showing the meeting between Trump and Zelenskyy, and man, it's getting heated. But after seeing Trump excoriate the Ukranian president, all I've gotta say is this:



Someone else can post the full video, a transcript, or even just a clip. But it's like Zelenskyy was sitting there like a kid being disciplined after getting caught doing something bad and trying to justify his actions. Good.

Wasn't that special! Zelensky didn't know the match was going to be tag team. First time I've ever seen the Pres and the VP work somebody over.

IMO Zelensky should have been questioned about the money laundering of the last regime.

Also liked how Trump face palmed him on playing the leftist media.

But in the words of Braveheart when William Wallace addressed the English General on the Field and the observers remarked, "Well that was less cordial than he expected!"

Two Ruskies went to war and got the EU and US and some of the world to send coin. No doubt the last administration got a massive damn kickback for their support. This time they were shown the door and didn't even get parting gifts.

The press will call it crazy, but it was the first brush with sanity where that whole charade is concerned.

(02-28-2025 07:00 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 06:57 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 06:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 06:50 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Trump to Zelinsky “I want to stay in the middle”.

Great. Now when China sees this they can reliably believe Trump is at least half on their side.

No. He very clearly said in order to negotiate a peace deal. Nothing more or less.

Put on your rose colored glasses. I choose to not give complete and unwavering approval to any man much less any politician.

lol "Rose colored glasses." Son, people in the Ukrainian government (you know, the government Zelenskyy represents) said he screwed up. You're done. Sit down and take the L.

Not saying he didn’t screw up. Just pointing out he was not the only one.

It amazes me that so many here want Zelinsky dead. That is such hatred. And he has not even invaded us. Just took a lot of aid.

This will not end with any deal made now. Putin has learned what he needs to be successful next time. I guarantee that he will take another shot at it. More people will be killed next time and I pray it’s not Americans.

(02-28-2025 07:10 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 07:00 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 06:57 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 06:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 06:50 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Trump to Zelinsky “I want to stay in the middle”.

Great. Now when China sees this they can reliably believe Trump is at least half on their side.

No. He very clearly said in order to negotiate a peace deal. Nothing more or less.

Put on your rose colored glasses. I choose to not give complete and unwavering approval to any man much less any politician.

lol "Rose colored glasses." Son, people in the Ukrainian government (you know, the government Zelenskyy represents) said he screwed up. You're done. Sit down and take the L.

Not saying he didn’t screw up. Just pointing out he was not the only one.

It amazes me that so many here want Zelinsky dead. That is such hatred. And he has not even invaded us. Just took a lot of aid.

This will not end with any deal made now. Putin has learned what he needs to be successful next time. I guarantee that he will take another shot at it. More people will be killed next time and I pray it’s not Americans.

Trust me, we won't even be touched. Let the EU and NATO (other than us) deal with it, and let's worry about our own problems.

(02-28-2025 01:00 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Magnificent Orange Bastard.

Z in his costume. What a clown.

lol---you had to be in heaven today. This was literally your wet dream.

Wasnt able to see the whole thing---but from what I understand Z had a mineral deal that would have at least given the US some skin in the game in Ukriane----and most importantly---I also saw on Twitter that the first part of the oval talk (well before the fireworks) made it clear the REM deal would also mean continued weapons supplies from the US. If thats the case, that was about the best this deal was ever going to be. No idea why Zelensky kept pushing for more security guarantees in public when he was just minutes away from signing a deal that would have given his people the ability to hold their own until the peace deal could be negotiated.

If that is all true---then your celebration may not be over. This was such an incompetent display I will not be shocked if Zelensky doesnt survive the week and is forced to resign by his government.

OK. This is over.

Now I’m patiently waiting for the interview with Putin in the Oval Office with Trump and Vance. Trump says he wants to stay in the middle. Back that up.

Now that will be can’t miss TV.

Of course that ain’t happening is it.

(02-28-2025 07:03 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 06:56 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 06:55 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Seriously this will end up being a defining moment in history. Half or more of our country sides with an invading tyrant because it cost us money. Hopefully in the future it will not be American men slaughtered on a newly defined front. Then the money will seem insignificant.

Damn, don't be a moron. Nobody is siding with Putin. People are simply hoping for a cease fire and a peace deal.

Moron huh? Trump got pissed and Vance also. Personal egos should absolutely not be at play here. This is much bigger than that.

Trump should explain what the deal is with Putin. So far none of us know. Appears that Zelinsky doesn’t know either. Not exactly great to sign a deal that you don’t know the details of. Apparently it is good with Putin. He’s been strangely silent.

You and your boy Z have lost. We are not going to fund this war for the next decade plus like another Vietnam or Iraq, your imaginary fantasy overthrow of Putin never materialized and never will. Just like his imaginary "sickness" and impending death never happened. YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING. Ukraine never had a chance of winning this war and never will. Now its z who is likely to be ousted by his own people instead.

You were wrong, and you lost. TAKE THE L.

Calling us all Putin backers is as empty and hollow as calling us racist. It just an over emotional outcry from a position of weakness and failure that falls flat as pancake.

Europe to Zelenskyy:

(02-28-2025 07:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 12:48 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Fox News is showing the meeting between Trump and Zelenskyy, and man, it's getting heated. But after seeing Trump excoriate the Ukranian president, all I've gotta say is this:



Someone else can post the full video, a transcript, or even just a clip. But it's like Zelenskyy was sitting there like a kid being disciplined after getting caught doing something bad and trying to justify his actions. Good.

Wasn't that special! Zelensky didn't know the match was going to be tag team. First time I've ever seen the Pres and the VP work somebody over.

IMO Zelensky should have been questioned about the money laundering of the last regime.

Also liked how Trump face palmed him on playing the leftist media.

But in the words of Braveheart when William Wallace addressed the English General on the Field and the observers remarked, "Well that was less cordial than he expected!"

Two Ruskies went to war and got the EU and US and some of the world to send coin. No doubt the last administration got a massive damn kickback for their support. This time they were shown the door and didn't even get parting gifts.

The press will call it crazy, but it was the first brush with sanity where that whole charade is concerned.

To your tag team point, Z said to Brett Baier that he didn't understand why Vance was in the negotiations, that Z should have been in with Trump alone, so he was pissed that Vance was even there.

(02-28-2025 06:51 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 06:43 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Britt Hume, Shannon Bream and Harold Ford Jr. are reviewing the Z interview with Baier.

All three said Z is the one who screwed up, not Trump and Vance. They said he came to the meeting totally unprepared, and failed miserably to read the room.

Baier was also critical of Z, agreed with the other 3, and said Z didn't learn a thing from today.

lol Even Brit Hume and Harold Ford, Jr. said Zelenskyy effed up? WOOOOOOW!

Also, I'm currently listening the Michael Berry Show and he said something that caught my attention: We, under Biden, pushed Putin toward China, and Trump's trying to break them up.

So that got me to thinking. Trump can't do that if he openly calls Putin what he's called Zelenskyy in the past. And if he were to tell Zelenskyy that behind closed doors, I'm confident the Ukrainian dingleberry would've spilled the beans because he's been propped up to be this Rambo-like freedom fighter by the American legacy media and the Democrat Party. Today should've been a dose of reality for him, but it wasn't. Hopefully, he wakes up tomorrow, realizes he was wrong, apologizes to Trump in a phone call and later in person, and signs the deal. I doubt he will, but that's what I'm praying for. (Nevermind. I just saw the post you made under this one. lol)

When you lose Lyndsey Graham on Ukraine, its all over but the crying.

(02-28-2025 07:17 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Europe to Zelenskyy:

European Leaders Appear United Behind Ukraine With a Coordinated Message After White House Smackdown

Quote:Within an hour, European leaders began echoing the same exact message in a coordinated response to today’s meltdown from the Ukraine President in the Oval Office. Ursula von der Leyen, President of the EU Commission, Valdis Dombrovskis, EU Commission, Roberta Metsola, President of EU Parliament, Antonio Costa, President of the European Council, and Manfred Weber, President of the European People’s Party all posted to X:

“Your dignity honors the bravery of the Ukranian people.

Be strong, be brave, be fearless. You are never alone, dear President Zelenskyy.

We will continue working with you for a just and lasting peace.”

Zelenskyy’s account on X went on its own “gratitude” campaign, reposting more than two dozen messages to Ukraine with the response, “Thank you for your support.”

Among those thanked were Andrej Plenkovic, the Prime Minister of Croatia, Finland Prime Minister Petteri Orpo, Estonian Prime Minister Kristen Michal, Deputy Prime Minister of Ireland Simon Harris, Latvian President Edgars Rinkevics, President Luc Frieden of the Netherlands, French President Emmanuel Macron, Portugese Prime Minister Luis Montenegro, the Swedish Prime Minister’s account, German Chancellor-elect Friedrich Merz and Chancellor Olaf Scholz, Norwegian Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Store, Czech President Petr Pavel, and Lithuanian President Gitanas Nauseda, among other NATO leaders.

Notably absent was Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban and Slovakian President Robert Fico.

(02-28-2025 07:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 01:00 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Magnificent Orange Bastard.

Z in his costume. What a clown.

lol---you had to be in heaven today. This was literally your wet dream.

Wasnt able to see the whole thing---but from what I understand Z had a mineral deal that would have at least given the US some skin in the game in Ukriane----and most importantly---I also saw on Twitter that the first part of the oval talk made it clear the REM deal would also mean continued weapons supplies from the US. If thats the case, that was about the best this deal was ever going to be. No idea why Zelensky kept pushing for more security guarantees in public when he was just minutes away from signing a deal that would have given his people the ability to hold their own until the peace deal could be negotiated.

If that is all true---then your celebration may not be over. This was such an incompetent display I will not be shocked if Zelensky doesnt survive the week and is forced to resign by his government.

Because he's a snot-knows spoiled brat who was asking for yet another handout (in terms of money) and we finally cut him off. Besides, Biden pushed Putin (and Russia, since he's in charge of it) into China's arms. Trump's trying to play the long game and split the two of those up. He can't show his hand yet. That's what certain people don't understand. I think you do, but sometimes, what you say on here when it comes to this overall topic makes me wonder. (No offense, of course. lol) Like I said to SoMs Eagle, we have our own problems we need to be dealing with. There was no need for us to get involved in this.

That said, I'll say this once again. Both Putin and Zelenskyy are jerkoffs for different but legitimately equally damning reasons. We know about Putin. Now it's Zelenskyy's turn to be shown in the poor light he deserves.

(02-28-2025 07:17 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 07:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 12:48 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Fox News is showing the meeting between Trump and Zelenskyy, and man, it's getting heated. But after seeing Trump excoriate the Ukranian president, all I've gotta say is this:



Someone else can post the full video, a transcript, or even just a clip. But it's like Zelenskyy was sitting there like a kid being disciplined after getting caught doing something bad and trying to justify his actions. Good.

Wasn't that special! Zelensky didn't know the match was going to be tag team. First time I've ever seen the Pres and the VP work somebody over.

IMO Zelensky should have been questioned about the money laundering of the last regime.

Also liked how Trump face palmed him on playing the leftist media.

But in the words of Braveheart when William Wallace addressed the English General on the Field and the observers remarked, "Well that was less cordial than he expected!"

Two Ruskies went to war and got the EU and US and some of the world to send coin. No doubt the last administration got a massive damn kickback for their support. This time they were shown the door and didn't even get parting gifts.

The press will call it crazy, but it was the first brush with sanity where that whole charade is concerned.

To your tag team point, Z said to Brett Baier that he didn't understand why Vance was in the negotiations, that Z should have been in with Trump alone, so he was pissed that Vance was even there.

In the old days he would have been shuttled off to a mid-level diplomat who would have simply told him, "Look, make peace or suffer the consequences. The president is busy. Good luck to you." The president would have risked his grandstanding play to the media. Real diplomacy never happens in front of a camera. They stay remote and aloof until things are worked out or simply fail.

(02-28-2025 07:16 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 07:03 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 06:56 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 06:55 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Seriously this will end up being a defining moment in history. Half or more of our country sides with an invading tyrant because it cost us money. Hopefully in the future it will not be American men slaughtered on a newly defined front. Then the money will seem insignificant.

Damn, don't be a moron. Nobody is siding with Putin. People are simply hoping for a cease fire and a peace deal.

Moron huh? Trump got pissed and Vance also. Personal egos should absolutely not be at play here. This is much bigger than that.

Trump should explain what the deal is with Putin. So far none of us know. Appears that Zelinsky doesn’t know either. Not exactly great to sign a deal that you don’t know the details of. Apparently it is good with Putin. He’s been strangely silent.

You and your boy Z have lost. We are not going to fund this war for the next decade plus like another Vietnam or Iraq, your imaginary fantasy overthrow of Putin never materialized and never will. Just like his imaginary "sickness" and impending death never happened. YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING. Ukraine never had a chance of winning this war and never will. Now its z who is likely to be ousted by his own people instead.

You were wrong, and you lost. TAKE THE L.

Calling us all Putin puppets is as empty and hollow as calling us racist. It just an over emotional outcry from a position of weakness and failure that falls flat as pancake.

Im not calling you a Putin puppet. But I did call you a Trump bot. Proud I can have no cultish fixation with a politician. Even though I agree with most everything else Trump has done. And I would proudly vote for him again. But I am not going to support everything he comes up with.

No L yet. But it is late in the 4th quarter.

(02-28-2025 07:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 07:17 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 07:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 12:48 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Fox News is showing the meeting between Trump and Zelenskyy, and man, it's getting heated. But after seeing Trump excoriate the Ukranian president, all I've gotta say is this:



Someone else can post the full video, a transcript, or even just a clip. But it's like Zelenskyy was sitting there like a kid being disciplined after getting caught doing something bad and trying to justify his actions. Good.

Wasn't that special! Zelensky didn't know the match was going to be tag team. First time I've ever seen the Pres and the VP work somebody over.

IMO Zelensky should have been questioned about the money laundering of the last regime.

Also liked how Trump face palmed him on playing the leftist media.

But in the words of Braveheart when William Wallace addressed the English General on the Field and the observers remarked, "Well that was less cordial than he expected!"

Two Ruskies went to war and got the EU and US and some of the world to send coin. No doubt the last administration got a massive damn kickback for their support. This time they were shown the door and didn't even get parting gifts.

The press will call it crazy, but it was the first brush with sanity where that whole charade is concerned.

To your tag team point, Z said to Brett Baier that he didn't understand why Vance was in the negotiations, that Z should have been in with Trump alone, so he was pissed that Vance was even there.

In the old days he would have been shuttled off to a mid-level diplomat who would have simply told him, "Look, make peace or suffer the consequences. The president is busy. Good luck to you." The president would have risked his grandstanding play to the media. Real diplomacy never happens in front of a camera. They stay remote and aloof until things are worked out or simply fail.

This. Mistakes were made today. To bad not everyone understands that.

(02-28-2025 07:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 12:48 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Fox News is showing the meeting between Trump and Zelenskyy, and man, it's getting heated. But after seeing Trump excoriate the Ukranian president, all I've gotta say is this:



Someone else can post the full video, a transcript, or even just a clip. But it's like Zelenskyy was sitting there like a kid being disciplined after getting caught doing something bad and trying to justify his actions. Good.

Wasn't that special! Zelensky didn't know the match was going to be tag team. First time I've ever seen the Pres and the VP work somebody over.

IMO Zelensky should have been questioned about the money laundering of the last regime.

Also liked how Trump face palmed him on playing the leftist media.

But in the words of Braveheart when William Wallace addressed the English General on the Field and the observers remarked, "Well that was less cordial than he expected!"

Two Ruskies went to war and got the EU and US and some of the world to send coin. No doubt the last administration got a massive damn kickback for their support. This time they were shown the door and didn't even get parting gifts.

The press will call it crazy, but it was the first brush with sanity where that whole charade is concerned.

Two Ruskies went to war and got the EU and US and some of the world to send coin. No doubt the last administration got a massive damn kickback for their support. This time they were shown the door and didn't even get parting gifts.

I bet ive said this a hundred times. The EU wants Ukraine's resources.

They have been doing this for thousands of years and will continue. Ironically the last peace was under the CCCP.

(02-28-2025 07:24 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 07:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 07:17 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 07:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 12:48 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Fox News is showing the meeting between Trump and Zelenskyy, and man, it's getting heated. But after seeing Trump excoriate the Ukranian president, all I've gotta say is this:



Someone else can post the full video, a transcript, or even just a clip. But it's like Zelenskyy was sitting there like a kid being disciplined after getting caught doing something bad and trying to justify his actions. Good.

Wasn't that special! Zelensky didn't know the match was going to be tag team. First time I've ever seen the Pres and the VP work somebody over.

IMO Zelensky should have been questioned about the money laundering of the last regime.

Also liked how Trump face palmed him on playing the leftist media.

But in the words of Braveheart when William Wallace addressed the English General on the Field and the observers remarked, "Well that was less cordial than he expected!"

Two Ruskies went to war and got the EU and US and some of the world to send coin. No doubt the last administration got a massive damn kickback for their support. This time they were shown the door and didn't even get parting gifts.

The press will call it crazy, but it was the first brush with sanity where that whole charade is concerned.

To your tag team point, Z said to Brett Baier that he didn't understand why Vance was in the negotiations, that Z should have been in with Trump alone, so he was pissed that Vance was even there.

In the old days he would have been shuttled off to a mid-level diplomat who would have simply told him, "Look, make peace or suffer the consequences. The president is busy. Good luck to you." The president would have risked his grandstanding play to the media. Real diplomacy never happens in front of a camera. They stay remote and aloof until things are worked out or simply fail.

This. Mistakes were made today. To bad not everyone understands that.

I understand it perfectly clear. Zelenskyy tried to assert dominance and Trump put him in his place. Plain and simple. It's too bad not everybody understands that.

Secretary Bessett just gave a breakdown of the process -

He went to Ukraine to finalize this deal. When it was done Zelensky said he was t going to sign it. Bessett pointed out that not signing would give Russia the view that there was light between the US and Ukraine. Zelensky agreed that he would sign the deal in Munich when he met with Vance and Rubio.

Zelensky met with Vance and Rubio and agin refused to sign the deal, but told them he would sign it in Washington with Trump. You saw how that ended.

He has consistently lied to US leadership. This is what Trump was talking about when he was glad everyone got to see how it went down today. They are tired of dealing with this child playing President.

(02-28-2025 07:22 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Im not calling you a Putin puppet. But I did call you a Trump bot. Proud I can have no cultish fixation with a politician. Even though I agree with most everything else Trump has done. And I would proudly vote for him again. But I am not going to support everything he comes up with.

No L yet. But it is late in the 4th quarter.

You guys have been here calling anyone who disagreed with you "Putin puppets" for over 3 years now. So don't say now you haven't said those things, we all know better.

YOU are the one who wants to back YET ANOTHER FOREVER WAR, you are the one who has had your lips firmly attached to Zelenskyys ass for this entire war.

No one here ever needed Trump to take a position on this at all for us to know we are NOT on board with yet another FOREVER WAR. We've seen this game over and over and over again and all the war propagandists are wrong EVERY SINGE TIME. All we do is get drained of blood and treasure and none of the things they promise ever come to fruition, Its always just a pile of rubble and death in the end and then they move on to the next war that we just HAVE to back or its 1938 all over again.

ENOUGH!

We've seen enough of this chit and we are not playing along anymore.

(02-28-2025 07:25 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 07:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 12:48 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Fox News is showing the meeting between Trump and Zelenskyy, and man, it's getting heated. But after seeing Trump excoriate the Ukranian president, all I've gotta say is this:



Someone else can post the full video, a transcript, or even just a clip. But it's like Zelenskyy was sitting there like a kid being disciplined after getting caught doing something bad and trying to justify his actions. Good.

Wasn't that special! Zelensky didn't know the match was going to be tag team. First time I've ever seen the Pres and the VP work somebody over.

IMO Zelensky should have been questioned about the money laundering of the last regime.

Also liked how Trump face palmed him on playing the leftist media.

But in the words of Braveheart when William Wallace addressed the English General on the Field and the observers remarked, "Well that was less cordial than he expected!"

Two Ruskies went to war and got the EU and US and some of the world to send coin. No doubt the last administration got a massive damn kickback for their support. This time they were shown the door and didn't even get parting gifts.

The press will call it crazy, but it was the first brush with sanity where that whole charade is concerned.

Two Ruskies went to war and got the EU and US and some of the world to send coin. No doubt the last administration got a massive damn kickback for their support. This time they were shown the door and didn't even get parting gifts.

I bet ive said this a hundred times. The EU wants Ukraine's resources.

They have been doing this for thousands of years and will continue. Ironically the last peace was under the CCCP.

Whiskey and Tango took care of today ... now it's FAFO's (Musk and Patel) turn to remedy and expose the fraud ... then enter Bondi for the coup d' grace...

yeah, this shite's gonna get some kind o' fonzies ...