I voted for Trump over Harris. I'm glad he won because the alternative would have been an unmitigated disaster. We're seeing some interesting things develop post election with various factions who previous opposed his reelection now trying to make nice with the incoming president. This brings us to the people Trump will be surrounding himself with when his administration take over the WH. Are the people he's picking willing to stand up to him if he/she thinks Trump's position on an issue is incorrect? The theme we've been hearing from Trump is loyalty. Good from the standpoint that he'll have people who won't try to sabotage his vision and policies. Bad if the people are loyal to a fault - so much so that they become yes men.

This is what I consider precarious. Find the right people who are willing to follow the president's lead AND not be afraid to push back against him if they feel his views on a specific item are wrong, illegal, more harmful than good, etc. I feel RFK Jr and Tulsi are 2 people who will likely be the ideal people for Trump's administration. Now the others are more of the typical Trump loyalists. My concern is they may turn into yes men. That's not what Trump needs.

(11-19-2024 09:31 AM)miko33 Wrote:  I voted for Trump over Harris. I'm glad he won because the alternative would have been an unmitigated disaster. We're seeing some interesting things develop post election with various factions who previous opposed his reelection now trying to make nice with the incoming president. This brings us to the people Trump will be surrounding himself with when his administration take over the WH. Are the people he's picking willing to stand up to him if he/she thinks Trump's position on an issue is incorrect? The theme we've been hearing from Trump is loyalty. Good from the standpoint that he'll have people who won't try to sabotage his vision and policies. Bad if the people are loyal to a fault - so much so that they become yes men.

This is what I consider precarious. Find the right people who are willing to follow the president's lead AND not be afraid to push back against him if they feel his views on a specific item are wrong, illegal, more harmful than good, etc. I feel RFK Jr and Tulsi are 2 people who will likely be the ideal people for Trump's administration. Now the others are more of the typical Trump loyalists. My concern is they may turn into yes men. That's not what Trump needs.

I think he's got a lot of opinionated people.

He needs some like Tulsi and RFK Jr., but most need to have a common vision.

Trump won. Why worry about something like that before he ever takes office?

He has already had 4 years in office. Nothing weird happened.

Some folks just like to worry.

Trump is the guy in charge, right?

I think I've noticed a difference in Trump between what we saw in the first term versus his appointments/nominations this time around. Yes, loyalty is important to him as it should be. This time though, I'm noticing an emphasis on loyalty to the cause so to speak rather than a blind loyalty to Trump himself. Rubio, Gabbard, RFK Jr, Burgum, all ran against Trump at one time. JD Vance was critical of Trump in the past.

I like what Trump has said about RFK in particular when he was speaking about him being great on the health stuff, but keeping him out of the oil discussions. I hope that he has realized he doesn't need blind loyalty and "yes" men, so much as he needs people that will stay in their lane and fight fiercely for their part of the administration's agenda even if their entire political ideology doesn't align fully with Trump.

The president has every right to appoint loyalists and “yes men.” After numerous DC insiders purposely sabotaged his first term, I’m glad he’s doing it.

The president has every right to appoint loyalists and “yes men.” After numerous DC insiders purposely sabotaged his first term, I’m glad he’s doing it.

(11-19-2024 09:32 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 09:31 AM)miko33 Wrote:  I voted for Trump over Harris. I'm glad he won because the alternative would have been an unmitigated disaster. We're seeing some interesting things develop post election with various factions who previous opposed his reelection now trying to make nice with the incoming president. This brings us to the people Trump will be surrounding himself with when his administration take over the WH. Are the people he's picking willing to stand up to him if he/she thinks Trump's position on an issue is incorrect? The theme we've been hearing from Trump is loyalty. Good from the standpoint that he'll have people who won't try to sabotage his vision and policies. Bad if the people are loyal to a fault - so much so that they become yes men.

This is what I consider precarious. Find the right people who are willing to follow the president's lead AND not be afraid to push back against him if they feel his views on a specific item are wrong, illegal, more harmful than good, etc. I feel RFK Jr and Tulsi are 2 people who will likely be the ideal people for Trump's administration. Now the others are more of the typical Trump loyalists. My concern is they may turn into yes men. That's not what Trump needs.

I think he's got a lot of opinionated people.

He needs some like Tulsi and RFK Jr., but most need to have a common vision.

I wouldn't even say that Tulsi and RFK Jr are opposed to Trump's vision - especially since my belief is that Trump is a JFK/RFK democrat in policy and vision. Rubio is probably more of a free thinker too. I have no problem with anyone Trump nominates provided they aren't afraid to speak up if they disagree with Trump. Trump needs to hear contrarian views so that legit discussions take place so that we get the best out of the group.

(11-19-2024 09:36 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Some folks just like to worry.

Yeah, I don't get it. It's like it's a programming feature.

(11-19-2024 09:44 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 09:32 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 09:31 AM)miko33 Wrote:  I voted for Trump over Harris. I'm glad he won because the alternative would have been an unmitigated disaster. We're seeing some interesting things develop post election with various factions who previous opposed his reelection now trying to make nice with the incoming president. This brings us to the people Trump will be surrounding himself with when his administration take over the WH. Are the people he's picking willing to stand up to him if he/she thinks Trump's position on an issue is incorrect? The theme we've been hearing from Trump is loyalty. Good from the standpoint that he'll have people who won't try to sabotage his vision and policies. Bad if the people are loyal to a fault - so much so that they become yes men.

This is what I consider precarious. Find the right people who are willing to follow the president's lead AND not be afraid to push back against him if they feel his views on a specific item are wrong, illegal, more harmful than good, etc. I feel RFK Jr and Tulsi are 2 people who will likely be the ideal people for Trump's administration. Now the others are more of the typical Trump loyalists. My concern is they may turn into yes men. That's not what Trump needs.

I think he's got a lot of opinionated people.

He needs some like Tulsi and RFK Jr., but most need to have a common vision.

I wouldn't even say that Tulsi and RFK Jr are opposed to Trump's vision - especially since my belief is that Trump is a JFK/RFK democrat in policy and vision. Rubio is probably more of a free thinker too. I have no problem with anyone Trump nominates provided they aren't afraid to speak up if they disagree with Trump. Trump needs to hear contrarian views so that legit discussions take place so that we get the best out of the group.

I mean…he’s surrounding himself with people who have vastly different views than him. RFK-Musk are certainly on the left. Gabbard is for universal healthcare and is pro choice.

Musk has proven that he is principled and will leave a party if he believes it’s the right thing to do. And he has a massive social media presence. The loyalists have more power than they think, and Trump knows that.

You’re don’t have the success Trump has had without being willing to listen to his key people. I don’t know for sure but Vance, Vivek, Elon, Bobby, Kash and Tulsi don’t appear to be the kind of people who would have a problem telling DJT what he needs to hear and not what he wants to hear.

We all have to be careful not to listen to the legacy media’s narrative that Trump is some kind of ogre and will rule with an iron fist. Trump’s management style is to have people in place he trusts who will do their jobs.

Like most good managers DJT likely sees himself as a tool to remove obstacles from the path of his team

(11-19-2024 09:53 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  You’re don’t have the success Trump has had without being willing to listen to his key people. I don’t know for sure but Vance, Vivek, Elon, Bobby, Kash and Tulsi don’t appear to be the kind of people who would have a problem telling DJT what he needs to hear and not what he wants to hear.

We all have to be careful not to listen to the legacy media’s narrative that Trump is some kind of ogre and will rule with an iron fist. Trump’s management style is to have people in place he trusts who will do their jobs.

Like most good managers DJT likely sees himself as a tool to remove obstacles from the path of his team

The reason Trump won is because he is listening to people more. As evidenced by going on podcasts, being much more disciplined on social media, etc.

His X interview months ago with Musk, they spoke about climate change and alternative energy with disagreements, but it was super cordial. There’s no reason you can’t take a science based approach to that issue but be realistic about implementing it (and not throwing millions into poverty to force down green energy).

Trump has already said he isn’t signing a federal
Abortion ban.

The biggest reason why Trump has support of former democrats, is because he is willing to root out corruption in DC. Even leftists want that done.

(11-19-2024 09:53 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  You’re don’t have the success Trump has had without being willing to listen to his key people. I don’t know for sure but Vance, Vivek, Elon, Bobby, Kash and Tulsi don’t appear to be the kind of people who would have a problem telling DJT what he needs to hear and not what he wants to hear.

We all have to be careful not to listen to the legacy media’s narrative that Trump is some kind of ogre and will rule with an iron fist. Trump’s management style is to have people in place he trusts who will do their jobs.

Like most good managers DJT likely sees himself as a tool to remove obstacles from the path of his team

The reason Trump won is because he is listening to people more. As evidenced by going on podcasts, being much more disciplined on social media, etc.

His X interview months ago with Musk, they spoke about climate change and alternative energy with disagreements, but it was super cordial. There’s no reason you can’t take a science based approach to that issue but be realistic about implementing it (and not throwing millions into poverty to force down green energy).

Trump has already said he isn’t signing a federal
Abortion ban.

The biggest reason why Trump has support of former democrats, is because he is willing to root out corruption in DC. Even leftists want that done.

Billionaire, President, hot wife, lots of kids


Precarious

(11-19-2024 09:35 AM)TripleA Wrote:  He has already had 4 years in office. Nothing weird happened.

Depends on your perspective.

On the main topic though, of course Trump is in a precarious situation. Because Trump is Trump, he always will be as he won't allow things to be any other way. I do think that is part of his appeal to many people, as the ultimate disruptor. He has shown great skill and luck in the past at navigating these precarious situations to his benefit, we shall see if his skills are still up to the task and his luck holds.

(11-19-2024 09:44 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 09:32 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 09:31 AM)miko33 Wrote:  I voted for Trump over Harris. I'm glad he won because the alternative would have been an unmitigated disaster. We're seeing some interesting things develop post election with various factions who previous opposed his reelection now trying to make nice with the incoming president. This brings us to the people Trump will be surrounding himself with when his administration take over the WH. Are the people he's picking willing to stand up to him if he/she thinks Trump's position on an issue is incorrect? The theme we've been hearing from Trump is loyalty. Good from the standpoint that he'll have people who won't try to sabotage his vision and policies. Bad if the people are loyal to a fault - so much so that they become yes men.

This is what I consider precarious. Find the right people who are willing to follow the president's lead AND not be afraid to push back against him if they feel his views on a specific item are wrong, illegal, more harmful than good, etc. I feel RFK Jr and Tulsi are 2 people who will likely be the ideal people for Trump's administration. Now the others are more of the typical Trump loyalists. My concern is they may turn into yes men. That's not what Trump needs.

I think he's got a lot of opinionated people.

He needs some like Tulsi and RFK Jr., but most need to have a common vision.

I wouldn't even say that Tulsi and RFK Jr are opposed to Trump's vision - especially since my belief is that Trump is a JFK/RFK democrat in policy and vision. Rubio is probably more of a free thinker too. I have no problem with anyone Trump nominates provided they aren't afraid to speak up if they disagree with Trump. Trump needs to hear contrarian views so that legit discussions take place so that we get the best out of the group.

EVERYONE in Trump’s first cabinet said he always asked for views that didn’t necessarily align with his. The problem with the first cabinet is there were those who felt like their views were right and Trump had no right to go against them. They were offended when their advice was not followed. Then came the lies and smears from those PsOS. I believe there will be more respect for the presidents decisions in this administration.

(11-19-2024 10:42 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 09:35 AM)TripleA Wrote:  He has already had 4 years in office. Nothing weird happened.

Depends on your perspective.

On the main topic though, of course Trump is in a precarious situation. Because Trump is Trump, he always will be as he won't allow things to be any other way. I do think that is part of his appeal to many people, as the ultimate disruptor. He has shown great skill and luck in the past at navigating these precarious situations to his benefit, we shall see if his skills are still up to the task and his luck holds.

Shocker you feel this way. How's Kamala doing?

My favorite story about a Trump asking for input...Bongino spoke about this last month.

The pentagon was giving Trump info on how to handle Afghanistan early in his term.

Trump had chiefs of staff bring in actual combat vets to tell him how it was going, what they needed and what was being done wrong. They gave him their honest evaluations and he went with a lot of what the soldiers advised...and it worked.

The Pentagon goons were ass chapped that enlisted and junior officers were actually given air time.

(11-19-2024 09:31 AM)miko33 Wrote:  I voted for Trump over Harris. I'm glad he won because the alternative would have been an unmitigated disaster. We're seeing some interesting things develop post election with various factions who previous opposed his reelection now trying to make nice with the incoming president. This brings us to the people Trump will be surrounding himself with when his administration take over the WH. Are the people he's picking willing to stand up to him if he/she thinks Trump's position on an issue is incorrect? The theme we've been hearing from Trump is loyalty. Good from the standpoint that he'll have people who won't try to sabotage his vision and policies. Bad if the people are loyal to a fault - so much so that they become yes men.

This is what I consider precarious. Find the right people who are willing to follow the president's lead AND not be afraid to push back against him if they feel his views on a specific item are wrong, illegal, more harmful than good, etc. I feel RFK Jr and Tulsi are 2 people who will likely be the ideal people for Trump's administration. Now the others are more of the typical Trump loyalists. My concern is they may turn into yes men. That's not what Trump needs.

Who are the Trump loyalist in the Biden Administration? Any Administration fills its ranks with like minded people for a reason. You can’t get anything done if everyone in leadership is pulling in different directions—-with one internal group trying to accomplish a goal while the other internal cabal seeks to undermine the big boss.

Providing opposition to the Trump Administration is the Democrats job. Is there any real concern the Democrats will suddenly become meek and quiet—-offering no resistance to any Trump efforts to secure the border, deport criminal illegal aliens, cut spending, increase oil/gas production, and extend his tax cuts? There will be plenty of resistance from outside—-Trump needs as little internal problems within his Administration as possible if he is to accomplish the kind of change he has promised to the millions who voted for change.