(09-11-2024 08:36 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 04:27 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Let’s not act like that debate changed anyone’s mind. If Kamala showing up with a pulse is enough to convince you to vote for “joy” then you were already going to vote for 4 more years of this train wreck anyway.

I agree with this. But let's also not forget that Trump missed a huge opportunity to expose Kamala's ridiculous record, b/c his ego is too damn big to properly prepare for a debate.

He didn't win a single new vote, and may have energized peeps to go out and vote for Kamala who may have otherwise stayed home. Will it matter? Probably not. This may be the most hard wired election in history.

But let's not excuse a crap performance by Trump. It was a missed opportunity to at least give him a chance to improve his standing. That's on him for being an egotistical *******.

Please!

When the moderators were arguing with Trump, that in essence took precious time away from going after her and that’s when Muir said ‘let’s move on”. He did get in numerous zingers against her and his closing statements was very good. If someone is going vote for Kamala because she never answered questions directly while the moderators were fighting Trump then they were never goin to vote for Trump and aren’t independents

(09-11-2024 08:24 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 07:44 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  She isn’t smart.

when was the last time we had a President that was? Like Mexico, we don't send our best.

The smart ones are the ones who fund the campaigns but keep out of the limelight.

(09-11-2024 08:10 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 07:55 AM)gdunn Wrote:  If I may be objective here.. I don't like Harris.. Not one bit.. Not at all.. Not even if she promised me a "handshake" for my vote, I probably wouldn't vote for her.

But last night... Trump did a few things that frustrated me..

1. Any subject he used to circle back to illegal immigration. Make the point and move one.. Maybe circle back once.
2. I think he missed a huge opportunity when Kamala said, I'm not Joe Biden.
3. The entire abortion segment was set up to make Kamala look good and I feel like he did a good job until he went off script on aborting babies after they're born. State your stance, stand firm in it, and don't get pulled in.
4. The entire time he seemed angry. Reminded me of the debate between Trump and Biden in 2020.

Here's the things I saw about Kamala that were positive

1. She did look poised and professional.
2. Most of the time she spoke clearly and concise, don't get it twisted there were times where she went off script and wandered off into no man's land.
3. She didn't talk sternly and seemed to be calm. But some of the responses lacked substance.

Thats a very fair and accurate assessment

Debates are your opportunity to appeal to the broader population...can't come across as angry or too extreme. The broader electorate would rather have a happy idiot than an angry know it all

If that was the case....


Trump would have never been up in the polls to begin with. Why do some of you think you actually know what "people want"?

"The broader electorate" made up their minds before the debate and not changing them. That right there is a damn fact. Very few and in my opinion the least amount in the history of this country still dont know who they are voting for....

you or I don't know the reason they haven't made a choice

So, has Kamala ever spoken to Putin. You had to listen very good to hear that question. And of course, she never answered and they never followed up. Nothing in that debate will make ANYONE feel she will be better on the Economy, Immigration or Taxes. And just released inflation is still high at 2.5% with an adjustment up in a couple of weeks to 2.7% or so. In a normal world this data would not produce a rate cut. At best it should remain at the current level.

(09-11-2024 07:55 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Here's the things I saw about Kamala that were positive

1. She did look poised and professional.

She did not look poised and professional. She kept rolling her eyes, smirked a lot, made stupid faces and shook her head most of the times he spoke. That's childish behavior and also a sign that she's nervous and knows what he's saying is true and what she is spewing is false.

(09-11-2024 07:45 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 04:15 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(09-10-2024 09:24 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-10-2024 09:09 PM)SUisBigEast4ever Wrote:  

(09-10-2024 09:06 PM)TripleA Wrote:  This is my take so far. He needs to stop yelling. She is lying through her teeth about everything, but the mods are helping her out.

Trump is getting his ass kicked. What a dumbazz. He may be blowing the election right here.

And the stupid thing is, it's his demeanor, not his answers. His answers are fine. But he just looks and sounds like an out of control bully, and Lyin' Kamala is keeping her cool.

What the hell are you watching? She's rolling her eyes and shaking her head like a maniac to everything. He's kept his cool way more than her. How is he not keeping his cool? She's the one that isn't.

The one time he yelled "I'm talking now" he was mocking her because she kept yelling over her opponent "I'm talking now" about 20 times in one night. Watch a real news site and you would've seen that.

Look, I'm a strong Trump supporter. We obviously disagree about how he's doing.

The bar was really low for Kamala, and she is being aided by the mods. She is lying through her teeth, but this is a win for her if she doesn't blow up in the last few minutes.

Remember, most of us voters are baked in. But IMO, anybody watching and undecided isn't being swayed toward Trump. He is still yelling.

And Muir is an embarrassment. And now he is bringing up the "She's not black" comment. Kamala's answer is laughable saying Trump is trying to divide the country by race, when that is exactly what the Dems do.

But her handlers gave her lots of material, and she is remembering and delivering a lot of it. Even though it's mostly exaggerations and lies.

And the mods are crooks. But Trump should have come in with his rally demeanor, not one of an angry old man.

how/why he didn't go after the mods is beyond me ... I'd have one-eyed stabbed all four of their eyesockets out of the gate then looked at kumswallah and in a low tone, stated, "now, biatch ... ya ready for a real debate ... let's disco, honey!"

Well if Megan is saying they were bad, they must have been really bad.
Just stupid to do it on ABC.

The problem is, Trump thought it didn't matter, b/c he expected her to crumble. Now he's saying he won't do another unless it's fair. That would mean Fox, which Kamala will never agree to do,b/c they won't let her get away with what ABC did last night.

(09-11-2024 09:02 AM)SUisBigEast4ever Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 07:55 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Here's the things I saw about Kamala that were positive

1. She did look poised and professional.

She did not look poised and professional. She kept rolling her eyes, smirked a lot, made stupid faces and shook her head most of the times he spoke. That's childish behavior and also a sign that she's nervous and knows what he's saying is true and what she is spewing is false.

Yes, you're right. She also had help from two of the most biased moderators I've ever seen in my entire life throughout the whole thing.

(09-11-2024 08:24 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 07:44 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 07:35 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 07:17 AM)green Wrote:  

Quote:Comrade Kamala Harris is going around wanting another Debate because she lost so badly - Just look at the Polls! It’s true with prizefighters, when they lose a fight, they immediately want another. MAGA2024

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump...6835891752

DON'T READ YOUR PRESS CLIPPINGS

She's looking for a knockout blow IMHO. If anyone needs another debate more - it's Trump because he came in unprepared AND he was in a handicap match. It was a tall order for him to get an actual win given what he had to fight against.

If she was smart she take the victory lap and not give any more interviews/debates/press conferences until after the election.

She isn’t smart.

when was the last time we had a President that was? Like Mexico, we don't send our best.

People that seem to spend their life on a message board, hours and hours, and hours each and every day...

making a judgement on "smart"

I refused to watch that mess last night so I cannot comment directly on it.

That said, it has been entertaining watching the media try to spin everything (on both sides) I expected that.


The one thing that I have see that bothers me (and the main reason I did not want to watch) was notes abut the panel fact checking Trump on the fly and not fact checking Harris. I think I already know the answer, but did she not embellish or lie about anything needed to be called out and only Trump did?

I am more than sure Trump laid out some level of BS throughout, and I assume Harris did too. If those claims are true about one sided fact checking - WTF?

(09-11-2024 07:55 AM)gdunn Wrote:  If I may be objective here.. I don't like Harris.. Not one bit.. Not at all.. Not even if she promised me a "handshake" for my vote, I probably wouldn't vote for her.

But last night... Trump did a few things that frustrated me..

1. Any subject he used to circle back to illegal immigration. Make the point and move one.. Maybe circle back once.
2. I think he missed a huge opportunity when Kamala said, I'm not Joe Biden.
3. The entire abortion segment was set up to make Kamala look good and I feel like he did a good job until he went off script on aborting babies after they're born. State your stance, stand firm in it, and don't get pulled in.
4. The entire time he seemed angry. Reminded me of the debate between Trump and Biden in 2020.

Here's the things I saw about Kamala that were positive

1. She did look poised and professional.
2. Most of the time she spoke clearly and concise, don't get it twisted there were times where she went off script and wandered off into no man's land.
3. She didn't talk sternly and seemed to be calm. But some of the responses lacked substance.

This is the closest critique so far to my impression.

Trump just missed a huge opportunity to set her on fire b/c he thought he didn't have to prepare.

His tone was his first mistake, He looked and sounded like a "Get off my lawn" angry old man almost from beginning to end. No reason for that.

(09-11-2024 09:02 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 07:45 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 04:15 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(09-10-2024 09:24 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-10-2024 09:09 PM)SUisBigEast4ever Wrote:  What the hell are you watching? She's rolling her eyes and shaking her head like a maniac to everything. He's kept his cool way more than her. How is he not keeping his cool? She's the one that isn't.

The one time he yelled "I'm talking now" he was mocking her because she kept yelling over her opponent "I'm talking now" about 20 times in one night. Watch a real news site and you would've seen that.

Look, I'm a strong Trump supporter. We obviously disagree about how he's doing.

The bar was really low for Kamala, and she is being aided by the mods. She is lying through her teeth, but this is a win for her if she doesn't blow up in the last few minutes.

Remember, most of us voters are baked in. But IMO, anybody watching and undecided isn't being swayed toward Trump. He is still yelling.

And Muir is an embarrassment. And now he is bringing up the "She's not black" comment. Kamala's answer is laughable saying Trump is trying to divide the country by race, when that is exactly what the Dems do.

But her handlers gave her lots of material, and she is remembering and delivering a lot of it. Even though it's mostly exaggerations and lies.

And the mods are crooks. But Trump should have come in with his rally demeanor, not one of an angry old man.

how/why he didn't go after the mods is beyond me ... I'd have one-eyed stabbed all four of their eyesockets out of the gate then looked at kumswallah and in a low tone, stated, "now, biatch ... ya ready for a real debate ... let's disco, honey!"

Well if Megan is saying they were bad, they must have been really bad.
Just stupid to do it on ABC.

The problem is, Trump thought it didn't matter, b/c he expected her to crumble. Now he's saying he won't do another unless it's fair. That would mean Fox, which Kamala will never agree to do,b/c they won't let her get away with what ABC did last night.

Like I told gdunn last night about Trump's going into the lions' den that is the legacy media, he was damned if he did, in that he would be having to fight off biased moderators like the ones we saw last night, and damned if he didn't, in which he would then be called a coward, which is how the Kamala campaign tried to paint him when she got installed as the Dem nominee and wouldn't even consider renegotiating a debate deal.

I've come around to agreeing with a lot of our side on this board in that nobody's mind was changed last night. And if they were "looking" for something from a particular candidate to have them vote for that particular person, they were already going to vote for them anyway.

(09-11-2024 07:55 AM)gdunn Wrote:  If I may be objective here.. I don't like Harris.. Not one bit.. Not at all.. Not even if she promised me a "handshake" for my vote, I probably wouldn't vote for her.

But last night... Trump did a few things that frustrated me..

1. Any subject he used to circle back to illegal immigration. Make the point and move one.. Maybe circle back once.
2. I think he missed a huge opportunity when Kamala said, I'm not Joe Biden.
3. The entire abortion segment was set up to make Kamala look good and I feel like he did a good job until he went off script on aborting babies after they're born. State your stance, stand firm in it, and don't get pulled in.
4. The entire time he seemed angry. Reminded me of the debate between Trump and Biden in 2020.

Here's the things I saw about Kamala that were positive

1. She did look poised and professional.
2. Most of the time she spoke clearly and concise, don't get it twisted there were times where she went off script and wandered off into no man's land.
3. She didn't talk sternly and seemed to be calm. But some of the responses lacked substance.

I agree with your assessment except for two points. Trump point one: I think it was important that he circle back to illegal immigration over and over. He should have mentioned fentanyl deaths though.


Harris point three: her lack of substance after doing no interviews and press conferences hurt her. She looked poised but did not remotely address her policies or flip flops. That hurt her with independent voters.

https://thenationalpulse.com/analysis-po...latitudes/

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...r-AA1qmVYz


(Reuters) - Kamala Harris was widely seen as dominating Tuesday's presidential debate against Republican former president Donald Trump, but a group of undecided voters remained unconvinced that the Democratic vice president was the better candidate.

This could really hurt Harris if she doesn't accept the challenge. Trump campaign can hammer all day on this if she doesn't do it.

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The director of ABC is one of Kamala’s best friends. It’s obvious she gave out the questions and allowed the moderators to protect her. Trump and any sensible person knew this was going to be 3 on 1, so it wasn’t surprising but no one knew it would be so over-the-top. I was frustrated more with the moderators than Trump or Kamala answers or non-answers

(09-11-2024 08:53 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 08:36 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 04:27 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Let’s not act like that debate changed anyone’s mind. If Kamala showing up with a pulse is enough to convince you to vote for “joy” then you were already going to vote for 4 more years of this train wreck anyway.

I agree with this. But let's also not forget that Trump missed a huge opportunity to expose Kamala's ridiculous record, b/c his ego is too damn big to properly prepare for a debate.

He didn't win a single new vote, and may have energized peeps to go out and vote for Kamala who may have otherwise stayed home. Will it matter? Probably not. This may be the most hard wired election in history.

But let's not excuse a crap performance by Trump. It was a missed opportunity to at least give him a chance to improve his standing. That's on him for being an egotistical *******.

Please!

When the moderators were arguing with Trump, that in essence took precious time away from going after her and that’s when Muir said ‘let’s move on”. He did get in numerous zingers against her and his closing statements was very good. If someone is going vote for Kamala because she never answered questions directly while the moderators were fighting Trump then they were never goin to vote for Trump and aren’t independents

I've said about half a dozen times already that this debate likely didn't move the needle.

My point is Trump missed an opportunity that was sitting there like a big watermelon on a batting tee, b/c he didn't take any batting practice, and was kicking up dust around the plate when his time to step up came.

Trump didn’t look focused or strategic in his responses. I get that he was outmanned due to the biased moderators, but he still let Harris dictate the debate and responses. Didn’t stay on message and twist the knife on her failures

(09-11-2024 09:12 AM)hburg Wrote:  This could really hurt Harris if she doesn't accept the challenge. Trump campaign can hammer all day on this if she doesn't do it.

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This is peak Trump. He scored points here.

No real polling numbers from the debate yet?

(09-11-2024 05:52 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 04:34 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(09-10-2024 09:49 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Adequate closing by Trump. But this evening’s debate overall went very badly.

There are 55 days to repair the damage. That will need to be a collective undertaking by those (not Donald Trump) who are capable of articulating how important it is to vote red this November. That means Byron Donalds, Ron DeSantis, Tom Cotton, John Kennedy and countless others who, unlike Donald Trump, can speak in terms that go beyond shere’s silly mantra of filth v. non-filth.

the problem becomes any of the above getting positive coverage...

gotta understand the real battle, first....

I’ll freely admit to being one who doesn’t understand the “real battle”. My guess is that it’s either Democrat cheating or perhaps it’s the assembled powers of Big Media, Big Tech and the Deep State.

But, regardless, there is no chance of defeating either of those evils between now and November 4. We can only hope that Team Trump figures out a way around them.

Donald showed last night that he is not up to that task. That’s not a new revelation, and should not have come as a surprise. That we (I) are disappointed this morning is only because Donald had been so on-point for virtually all of this year. I had foolishly started to convince myself that this was actually a new-and-improved Donald. Last night he reverted to form, and lazily mailed in a substandard performance.

Not fatal. But certainly not helpful.

What needs to happen now is that Team Trump needs to play to its strengths. That is definitively NOT its candidate. It is its surrogates. Donald hopefully will realize that, have the discipline to zip it for the next 7-plus weeks, and let the competent speakers around him take the lead.

That’s my assessment. (But what do I know?)

Good assessment. I remember back in my college Polysci debate days having a mod bleeding heart liberal professor taking it to me so instead of answering his next question I simply stated I didn’t know I was debating the Mod and my opponents simultaneously.

He completely shut down his bs as other department heads were watching. Trump didn’t have that luxury but the it would have scored points with Americans.

Bottom line Trump got rattled because he looked like me in my first debate.

Trump has NOT STUDIED HIS OPPONENT. You win debates when you know what they are going to answer before the question is even asked.

Best advice an upper classman ever gave me.

Had he made the debate a commentary of her voting record he would have effectively shut down the Mods. He never had to answer them but he chose to over and over. And, once you get into defense mode it’s hard to score points.

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