(09-11-2024 07:24 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 07:14 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 06:07 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 05:52 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 04:34 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  the problem becomes any of the above getting positive coverage...

gotta understand the real battle, first....

I’ll freely admit to being one who doesn’t understand the “real battle”. My guess is that it’s either Democrat cheating or perhaps it’s the assembled powers of Big Media, Big Tech and the Deep State.

But, regardless, there is no chance of defeating either of those evils between now and November 4. We can only hope that Team Trump figures out a way around them.

Donald showed last night that he is not up to that task. That’s not a new revelation, and should not have come as a surprise. That we (I) are disappointed this morning is only because Donald had been so on-point for virtually all of this year. I had foolishly started to convince myself that this was actually a new-and-improved Donald. Last night he reverted to form, and lazily mailed in a substandard performance.

Not fatal. But certainly not helpful.

What needs to happen now is that Team Trump needs to play to its strengths. That is definitively NOT its candidate. It is its surrogates. Donald hopefully will realize that, have the discipline to zip it for the next 7-plus weeks, and let the competent speakers around him take the lead.

That’s my assessment. (But what do I know?)

Nothing.

Who is the next to offer their surrender diatribe.

Trump gallantly survived an ambush.

Maybe the Reeeeeeeeee Trump criticizers should focus their energy on the drunk whore.

Wirh friends like you, who needs enemies

Stil
Dont
Get
It


It Is filth v non filth.

You're correct. It was 3 against 1 and Trump had his moments. That said, you can only hope that the majority of the viewers saw it the same way and NOT come away with the perception that 1) Kamala did good enough and/or 2) Don looked unprepared and unbalanced.

Perception is everything. Hopefully the viewers perceived this debate correctly.

Fortunately, nearly 2/3 of them did -

"In the poll, 63 percent of those who watched the debate — a group that is not representative of the electorate as a whole — said Harris won. Just 37 percent said Donald Trump won the debate."

https://www.politico.com/live-updates/20...n-00178566

Hillary had similar margins.

These polls aren’t very predictive.

(09-11-2024 07:35 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 07:17 AM)green Wrote:  

Quote:Comrade Kamala Harris is going around wanting another Debate because she lost so badly - Just look at the Polls! It’s true with prizefighters, when they lose a fight, they immediately want another. MAGA2024

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump...6835891752

DON'T READ YOUR PRESS CLIPPINGS

She's looking for a knockout blow IMHO. If anyone needs another debate more - it's Trump because he came in unprepared AND he was in a handicap match. It was a tall order for him to get an actual win given what he had to fight against.

If she was smart she take the victory lap and not give any more interviews/debates/press conferences until after the election.

that's because ...
she's way behind ...
and he's still standing ...

SWING & A MISS

If I may be objective here.. I don't like Harris.. Not one bit.. Not at all.. Not even if she promised me a "handshake" for my vote, I probably wouldn't vote for her.

But last night... Trump did a few things that frustrated me..

1. Any subject he used to circle back to illegal immigration. Make the point and move one.. Maybe circle back once.
2. I think he missed a huge opportunity when Kamala said, I'm not Joe Biden.
3. The entire abortion segment was set up to make Kamala look good and I feel like he did a good job until he went off script on aborting babies after they're born. State your stance, stand firm in it, and don't get pulled in.
4. The entire time he seemed angry. Reminded me of the debate between Trump and Biden in 2020.

Here's the things I saw about Kamala that were positive

1. She did look poised and professional.
2. Most of the time she spoke clearly and concise, don't get it twisted there were times where she went off script and wandered off into no man's land.
3. She didn't talk sternly and seemed to be calm. But some of the responses lacked substance.

(09-11-2024 07:24 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 07:14 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 06:07 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 05:52 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 04:34 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  the problem becomes any of the above getting positive coverage...

gotta understand the real battle, first....

I’ll freely admit to being one who doesn’t understand the “real battle”. My guess is that it’s either Democrat cheating or perhaps it’s the assembled powers of Big Media, Big Tech and the Deep State.

But, regardless, there is no chance of defeating either of those evils between now and November 4. We can only hope that Team Trump figures out a way around them.

Donald showed last night that he is not up to that task. That’s not a new revelation, and should not have come as a surprise. That we (I) are disappointed this morning is only because Donald had been so on-point for virtually all of this year. I had foolishly started to convince myself that this was actually a new-and-improved Donald. Last night he reverted to form, and lazily mailed in a substandard performance.

Not fatal. But certainly not helpful.

What needs to happen now is that Team Trump needs to play to its strengths. That is definitively NOT its candidate. It is its surrogates. Donald hopefully will realize that, have the discipline to zip it for the next 7-plus weeks, and let the competent speakers around him take the lead.

That’s my assessment. (But what do I know?)

Nothing.

Who is the next to offer their surrender diatribe.

Trump gallantly survived an ambush.

Maybe the Reeeeeeeeee Trump criticizers should focus their energy on the drunk whore.

Wirh friends like you, who needs enemies

Stil
Dont
Get
It


It Is filth v non filth.

You're correct. It was 3 against 1 and Trump had his moments. That said, you can only hope that the majority of the viewers saw it the same way and NOT come away with the perception that 1) Kamala did good enough and/or 2) Don looked unprepared and unbalanced.

Perception is everything. Hopefully the viewers perceived this debate correctly.

Fortunately, nearly 2/3 of them did -

"In the poll, 63 percent of those who watched the debate — a group that is not representative of the electorate as a whole — said Harris won. Just 37 percent said Donald Trump won the debate."

https://www.politico.com/live-updates/20...n-00178566

Sure sure. Politico

Drones

Trump on Fox this morning doing work.

Drunk whore waking up on the cool tile of the bathroom floor with copious hair gel.

(09-11-2024 07:55 AM)gdunn Wrote:  If I may be objective here.. I don't like Harris.. Not one bit.. Not at all.. Not even if she promised me a "handshake" for my vote, I probably wouldn't vote for her.

But last night... Trump did a few things that frustrated me..

1. Any subject he used to circle back to illegal immigration. Make the point and move one.. Maybe circle back once.
2. I think he missed a huge opportunity when Kamala said, I'm not Joe Biden.
3. The entire abortion segment was set up to make Kamala look good and I feel like he did a good job until he went off script on aborting babies after their born. State your stance, stand firm in it, and don't get pulled in.
4. The entire time he seemed angry. Reminded me of the debate between Trump and Biden in 2020.

Here's the things I saw about Kamala that were positive

1. She did look poised and professional.
2. Most of the time she spoke clearly and concise, don't get it twisted there were times where she went off script and wandered off into no man's land.
3. She didn't talk sternly and seemed to be calm. But some of the responses lacked substance.

What about the "race" segment???

"President Trump, why are you such a racist for questioning VP Harris' race?"

"VP Harris, you have one minute to tee off on Trump....er, I mean... respond."

(09-11-2024 07:55 AM)gdunn Wrote:  If I may be objective here.. I don't like Harris.. Not one bit.. Not at all.. Not even if she promised me a "handshake" for my vote, I probably wouldn't vote for her.

But last night... Trump did a few things that frustrated me..

1. Any subject he used to circle back to illegal immigration. Make the point and move one.. Maybe circle back once.
2. I think he missed a huge opportunity when Kamala said, I'm not Joe Biden.
3. The entire abortion segment was set up to make Kamala look good and I feel like he did a good job until he went off script on aborting babies after their born. State your stance, stand firm in it, and don't get pulled in.
4. The entire time he seemed angry. Reminded me of the debate between Trump and Biden in 2020.

Here's the things I saw about Kamala that were positive

1. She did look poised and professional.
2. Most of the time she spoke clearly and concise, don't get it twisted there were times where she went off script and wandered off into no man's land.
3. She didn't talk sternly and seemed to be calm. But some of the responses lacked substance.

She seemed nervous about the first 30-40 minutes then settled in.

When the moderators began to fact check Trump she could relax and know there was help.

(09-11-2024 07:55 AM)gdunn Wrote:  If I may be objective here.. I don't like Harris.. Not one bit.. Not at all.. Not even if she promised me a "handshake" for my vote, I probably wouldn't vote for her.

But last night... Trump did a few things that frustrated me..

1. Any subject he used to circle back to illegal immigration. Make the point and move one.. Maybe circle back once.
2. I think he missed a huge opportunity when Kamala said, I'm not Joe Biden.
3. The entire abortion segment was set up to make Kamala look good and I feel like he did a good job until he went off script on aborting babies after their born. State your stance, stand firm in it, and don't get pulled in.
4. The entire time he seemed angry. Reminded me of the debate between Trump and Biden in 2020.

Here's the things I saw about Kamala that were positive

1. She did look poised and professional.
2. Most of the time she spoke clearly and concise, don't get it twisted there were times where she went off script and wandered off into no man's land.
3. She didn't talk sternly and seemed to be calm. But some of the responses lacked substance.

where's the viral moment that will live on forever after ...
it doesn't exist ...
few minds were changed ...
she entered trailing ...
she exited trailing ...
but I do agree ...
he's godawful @ debating ...
missing numerous opportunities to pounce ...

QUIT WHILE YOU'RE AHEAD

(09-11-2024 07:55 AM)gdunn Wrote:  If I may be objective here.. I don't like Harris.. Not one bit.. Not at all.. Not even if she promised me a "handshake" for my vote, I probably wouldn't vote for her.

But last night... Trump did a few things that frustrated me..

1. Any subject he used to circle back to illegal immigration. Make the point and move one.. Maybe circle back once.
2. I think he missed a huge opportunity when Kamala said, I'm not Joe Biden.
3. The entire abortion segment was set up to make Kamala look good and I feel like he did a good job until he went off script on aborting babies after they're born. State your stance, stand firm in it, and don't get pulled in.
4. The entire time he seemed angry. Reminded me of the debate between Trump and Biden in 2020.

Here's the things I saw about Kamala that were positive

1. She did look poised and professional.
2. Most of the time she spoke clearly and concise, don't get it twisted there were times where she went off script and wandered off into no man's land.
3. She didn't talk sternly and seemed to be calm. But some of the responses lacked substance.

Thats a very fair and accurate assessment

Debates are your opportunity to appeal to the broader population...can't come across as angry or too extreme. The broader electorate would rather have a happy idiot than an angry know it all

Trump argued substance. Kumswallow argued Trump’s a bad guy. Was this a debate or a beetch slap contest. Once again Trump won biggly on the issues.

(09-11-2024 07:44 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 07:35 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 07:17 AM)green Wrote:  

Quote:Comrade Kamala Harris is going around wanting another Debate because she lost so badly - Just look at the Polls! It’s true with prizefighters, when they lose a fight, they immediately want another. MAGA2024

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump...6835891752

DON'T READ YOUR PRESS CLIPPINGS

She's looking for a knockout blow IMHO. If anyone needs another debate more - it's Trump because he came in unprepared AND he was in a handicap match. It was a tall order for him to get an actual win given what he had to fight against.

If she was smart she take the victory lap and not give any more interviews/debates/press conferences until after the election.

She isn’t smart.

when was the last time we had a President that was? Like Mexico, we don't send our best.

https://unherd.com/newsroom/why-did-dona...is-debate/
"....Moderators David Muir and Linsey Davis of ABC News made the controversial decision to perform fact checks of the candidates in real time. Not once did they check a claim from Harris. All four of the moderators’ live corrections were made against Trump, some of which were highly subjective.

Of course, that’s why many moderators — including Jake Tapper and Dana Bash in June — choose to trust that voters can check facts on their own. Campaigns are built on exaggerations. Nobody is happy about it, but it’s true of both Republicans and Democrats. While Trump is uniquely freewheeling, to say the very least, Harris provided plenty of openings for the moderators to offer just one easy correction.

She repeated a claim about the racist Charlottesville rally that even Snopes debunked. What about her implication that Trump’s “bloodbath” comment was related to something other than the auto industry? Her claims on late-term abortion? (Davis hit Trump with a somewhat dubious fact check on that one.).

During Tuesday’s debate, conservatives immediately invoked the notorious decision by Candy Crowley in 2012 to incorrectly fact-check Mitt Romney during a debate with Barack Obama. “Tonight’s moderators made Candy Crowley look fair,” Sean Spicer, Trump’s former press secretary, posted on X. Ann Coulter wrote: “Trump is having to fight all three other people on stage. I’ve never seen such an unfair debate. This is worse than Candy Crowley ‘correcting’ Romney — and then admitting she was wrong … hours after the debate.”

Why did Republicans agree to it in the first place? Trump-era conservatives have been calling on the RNC to starve legacy networks of their lucrative access to debates. The momentum became so strong that former Republican National Committee chairwoman Ronna McDaniel led the party’s decision to withdraw from the storied Commission on Presidential Debates. Back in November, Vivek Ramaswamy used part of his time in a primary debate to critique the format. “This should be Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan and Elon Musk,” he said on NBC. “We’d have 10 times the viewership asking questions that GOP primary voters actually care about, bringing more people into our party.”

More than a decade after the Crowley dust-up, Republicans clearly have permission from their voters to ditch the legacy media. Independents? Their trust in the press is close to a record low. ..."

(09-11-2024 08:24 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 07:44 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 07:35 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 07:17 AM)green Wrote:  

Quote:Comrade Kamala Harris is going around wanting another Debate because she lost so badly - Just look at the Polls! It’s true with prizefighters, when they lose a fight, they immediately want another. MAGA2024

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump...6835891752

DON'T READ YOUR PRESS CLIPPINGS

She's looking for a knockout blow IMHO. If anyone needs another debate more - it's Trump because he came in unprepared AND he was in a handicap match. It was a tall order for him to get an actual win given what he had to fight against.

If she was smart she take the victory lap and not give any more interviews/debates/press conferences until after the election.

She isn’t smart.

when was the last time we had a President that was? Like Mexico, we don't send our best.

The concept of the "philosopher king" from Plato's Republic will never happen IRL. I've never seen a politician who truly wants to serve. All of them want something else be it power, money, fame or a combination of all 3.

(09-11-2024 04:27 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Let’s not act like that debate changed anyone’s mind. If Kamala showing up with a pulse is enough to convince you to vote for “joy” then you were already going to vote for 4 more years of this train wreck anyway.

I agree with this. But let's also not forget that Trump missed a huge opportunity to expose Kamala's ridiculous record, b/c his ego is too damn big to properly prepare for a debate.

He didn't win a single new vote, and may have energized peeps to go out and vote for Kamala who may have otherwise stayed home. Will it matter? Probably not. This may be the most hard wired election in history.

But let's not excuse a crap performance by Trump. It was a missed opportunity to at least give him a chance to improve his standing. That's on him for being an egotistical jackazz.

(09-10-2024 11:11 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-10-2024 11:05 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Echo?

Sent from my Pixel 6 using Tapatalk

Im still pissed about your stone hinge crack. You phillistine. You go to far



Did you hear. An ant bit my scrotum. Not happy.

Just be thankful it wasn’t a Yellowjacket or a hornet.

(09-11-2024 08:36 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 04:27 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Let’s not act like that debate changed anyone’s mind. If Kamala showing up with a pulse is enough to convince you to vote for “joy” then you were already going to vote for 4 more years of this train wreck anyway.

I agree with this. But let's also not forget that Trump missed a huge opportunity to expose Kamala's ridiculous record, b/c his ego is too damn big to properly prepare for a debate.

He didn't win a single new vote, and may have energized peeps to go out and vote for Kamala who may have otherwise stayed home. Will it matter? Probably not. This may be the most hard wired election in history.

But let's not excuse a crap performance by Trump. It was a missed opportunity to at least give him a chance to improve his standing. That's on him for being an egotistical *******.

Agree.

enough w/ the handwringing about biased moderators ...
it was incumbent on him to push back ...
and put them in their place ...

STFU

(09-11-2024 04:32 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(09-10-2024 09:46 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-10-2024 09:41 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(09-10-2024 09:39 PM)PirateJP Wrote:  A blackrock commercial during a presidential debate. They’re not even trying to hide it anymore.

I'm watching Fox News. Besides, I have DirecTV and they don't have the Disney-owned channels on right now so it's probably a good thing I'm not watching that feed.

Okay. Closing statements.

They own 15% of Fox.

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which has been noticeable over the past few years ... the radiocasts have become fagoTTTry at its finest ... the Guy Benson thingy is beyond unlistenable ... Killmeade is the equivalent of any kneepadded cucksucker, and Failla is a joke in itself...

Agree on the first two. They're useless. But I like Failla, at least the Saturday night TV version (I don't listen to radio). He makes me laugh. You have to do that sometimes to keep from crying at what we're becoming. Just can't laugh your way through it constantly. Too important.

2016 Trump would’ve pushed back on the mods saying it’s all rigged. Sadly I don’t see that much from him anymore & that’s what I used to really like about him. How much do you hear ‘drain the swamp’. That's why he won Midwest in 2016

(09-11-2024 07:25 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 07:14 AM)miko33 Wrote:  Perception is everything. Hopefully the viewers perceived this debate correctly.

And in that regard, post-debate analysis is very important.

So ask yourself: what is a better framing of last night's proceedings?: (i) pointing out the glaring discrepancies in the positions offered up last night by Kamala Kameleon or (ii) raging about how unfair it all was.

Both are legitimate points. But the former approach keeps the focus where it belongs - - on how awful a Harris-Walz administration would be for our country. The latter approach may help shere to get past his incessant crying, but it leaves the focus on how poorly Donald performed last night.

Do you really think voters that's "not engaged", even if they were watching, views a debate through that lens? Just a guess but I would think 99% of people that is not leaning one way or the other....

their point of view was not on post-debate analysis.

You could be correct that's what they going to base their vote on but the likely outcome, even if they watched the debate...

they wasn't sitting around listening to talking heads after the debate. If that was what they wanted, they would have already made up their minds.

As for the other 99% that have made up their minds. There's nothing a talking head is going to say to change it.

As I said last night if someone hasn't made up their mind and the goal was give me something. The VP won their vote. If a voter was leaning towards the VP they probably still are.

But all of us guessing what is important to a "not engaged" voter is just that. A guess. As I said before the debate this isn't about Trump losing votes and I don't believe he did. This debate was about the VP holding on to her votes and even if no one changed....

she's still losing because there was nothing she said last night about policy that stood out....

other than a few free money give away