(09-10-2024 10:25 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(09-10-2024 10:09 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  The reason why every GOP candidate "buckles" is he or she feels that if he or she doesn't go into enemy territory, he or she would be seen as weak.

Such feelings are misguided. The Dems. never do that. The GOP’s don’t need to do it, either.

There is a time and a place for engaging with adversarial media, but it must be done in a way that everyone sees what’s going on. By participating in debates like this one, Trump partially validates ABC’s pretense of objectivity and non-partisanship. Never a good idea.

Quote:But yes, the legacy media need to lose the left wing bias before any outlet of theirs hosts another debate involving Republican candidates.

the portion in bold italics will never, ever happen.

I don't disagree with anything you just said. But the way I look at it, especially on your first point, it's a case of you're damned if you and you're damned if you don't.

(09-10-2024 10:16 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-10-2024 09:46 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(09-10-2024 09:44 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Kamala Harris just won the presidency tonight.

Winning a debate =/= winning the presidency.

Yeah, this likely changed nothing. We on the right are just disappointed that Kamals didn't implode like we hoped, which would have perhaps ended the race. Like with Biden.

But IMO, she only won with Dems already voting for her. I honestly think this swayed no undecideds either way.

This debate will give the media cover for the next few months.

No need to demand more interviews, she “won the debate.” This will get used for weeks to influence public opinion and that’s why it’s important, not the actual debate topics or soundbites

(09-10-2024 10:21 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(09-10-2024 09:51 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  The Trump slurs and attacks didn't work tonight. And because he has nothing else a very bad night for Trump and the trumpers.

Harris wasn’t exactly spectacular.

She was condescending and dodged any meaty questions.

That might be her victory

She sounded nice though and a certain segment likes that

(09-10-2024 10:29 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-10-2024 10:28 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(09-10-2024 10:21 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-10-2024 10:16 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Instant reaction

Useful idiot

I mean, it’s accurate.

Doesn’t mean it will stick or even be that big of a deal.

Accurate why? Who says its accurate? You?

FFS

It’s accurate that the markets have moved towards her…it’s easy to acknowledge it.

If Trump was getting the bump, then the view would be different

(09-10-2024 10:00 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(09-10-2024 09:59 PM)green Wrote:  

(09-10-2024 09:49 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Kamala Harris earned her stripes tonight. Looked presidential. Trump looked shaken especially during the early part of the debate.

mitt romney ...

CIRCA 2012

Yes — and Romney truly dominated that debate. Tonight, Harris won on points but hardly a knockout.

Yes, Trump did not study her voting record and her overall career. Big mistake.

Calling her a Marxist without explaining it shows your not a polished politician


It was there like picking a ripe plum.

Harris is your run of the mill bureaucrat. Won’t answer any meaty questions and has command of the persuasion speech.

Another point Trump tried to but lacks the overall skill to nail it down was when Harris talked unity.


Unbelievable, almost shell shocking that the party of class warfare, race warfare, gender warfare and any other plausible way to separate folks would claim any type of unity.


Laughable at best.

Could have tossed in words like Racist, misogyny, etc to back up your stance although most Americans see right through her bs.

That was just straight up elder abuse. How could Republicans do this to the poor man?

(09-10-2024 10:26 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  Trump was off tonight, got way too distracted.

Harris was cogent enough to win.

Obviously the moderators went to bat for her numerous times and that helped lock up the debate for her

The bar was set low for her, so obviously she was going to be declared the winner no matter what. The love-fest didn’t press her not one single time in her assertions while they argued with Trump 11 times. If people can’t see the ganging up on Trump then this nation is too stupid and deserves its destruction

Harris excepted no responsibility for Afghanistan which makes her trash regardless of her debate performance

(09-10-2024 10:32 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(09-10-2024 10:26 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  Trump was off tonight, got way too distracted.

Harris was cogent enough to win.

Obviously the moderators went to bat for her numerous times and that helped lock up the debate for her

The bar was set low for her, so obviously she was going to be declared the winner no matter what. The love-fest didn’t press her not one single time in her assertions while they argued with Trump 11 times. If people can’t see the ganging up on Trump then this nation is too stupid and deserves its destruction

Exactly. And it all comes down to how many actual voters are undecided along 4-5 key swing states. The ones voting Trump likely made up their minds months (if not years) ago. The ones who haven’t probably will be persuaded by tonight

(09-10-2024 10:32 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(09-10-2024 10:26 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  Trump was off tonight, got way too distracted.

Harris was cogent enough to win.

Obviously the moderators went to bat for her numerous times and that helped lock up the debate for her

The bar was set low for her, so obviously she was going to be declared the winner no matter what. The love-fest didn’t press her not one single time in her assertions while they argued with Trump 11 times. If people can’t see the ganging up on Trump then this nation is too stupid and deserves its destruction

It was but Trump knew that going in.

Her voting record would have easily destroyed her

Did Harris win the debate? No. Trump had more instances of winners than she did.

Did Harris get through the debate without crapping her pants? Yes. And for the left, thats a win.

(09-10-2024 10:05 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(09-10-2024 09:58 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Trump missed some opportunities, but he did mention that he fired people who were incompetent at their jobs.

ABC sucks. No more debates moderated by them.

True — not just for ABC but all of MSM — but the problem is that some GOP’s say this every cycle, yet always buckle when the chips are down.

Win or lose in November, every potential candidate for ’28 needs to make it clear from the outset that they will not participate in a forum controlled by pro-Dem media without a reciprocal pro-GOP forum.

I suggest Congress get involved. Make a law stating there has to be at least two debates before the first of October with no audience. And the kicker would be that the candidate would choose the moderator of their choice to ask the questions of the opposing candidate. We would get a real honest to goodness idea of the candidates positions and temperament.

(09-10-2024 10:01 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(09-10-2024 10:00 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Her campaign already calling for another debate.

Hopefully, she'll agree to do one with Fox moderating.

It doesn’t matter who moderates as much as it does Trump getting a message and exposing her voting record. It’s really that simple

He does not have to answer any of their loaded questions but he does have to get out his message and her voting record

Trump is answering questions of the press. What's Harris doing?

I actually liked the way David Muir kept the debate moving along

(09-10-2024 10:19 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-10-2024 10:13 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-10-2024 09:58 PM)SUisBigEast4ever Wrote:  

(09-10-2024 09:57 PM)TripleA Wrote:  MacCallum said the mods tipped the scales. Trump did better on foreign policy and other things near the end.

Hume said the mods let her off the hook on the flip-flopping.

He also said Trump had a bad night. He rose to the bait repeatedly when she baited him. Brought up a lot of the old grievances like beating cheated in the 2020 election which is changing zero minds now.

Hume said due to that, Kamala had a good night, although it remains to be seen if it makes any difference.

Hannity said the biggest loser was ABC. The mods didn't push Kamala on any of her weak points. Lots of lies from her. Hannity is stuttering and unhappy b/c we got no answers on her changing positions or the economy. He said it was frustrating.

Harold Ford said this has to be a disappointment for Trump. He criticized the mods for being unfair, but he thinks Trump didn't prepare correctly. Said Kamala didn't answer many questions, but remained calm. Ford busted Trump for the "concept of a plan" remark.

Watters is waving the victory flag, as much as he can.

Harold Ford is a far leftist.

Brit Hume is a RINO (really a Democrat) and worked for ABC for awhile.

Just reporting what they said.

I listen to Ford a lot on Fox. He is def a big Dem but not far left. That's Kamala. Ford not in that neighborhood.

Yes, I have watched network news since 1952, so I know who everybody is. including Britt Hume. He is fair, and leans right.

You just don't like the answers. I'm on your side, but I'm simply reporting the commentary, not judging it.

Ah the ford crime family. One of those ford idiiots nearly killed me going 100 moh on i 40 to nashville years ago

I think Harold is the only reasonably sane one in the bunch. Glad the guy didn't kill you.

(09-10-2024 10:21 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(09-10-2024 09:51 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  The Trump slurs and attacks didn't work tonight. And because he has nothing else a very bad night for Trump and the trumpers.

Harris wasn’t exactly spectacular.

She was condescending and dodged any meaty questions.

That might be her victory

Yep. Like I said, low bar, so the Dems are celebrating, the Rs are disappointed, and nobody is really moving.

I don't buy that poll switch. It's another short-term sugar high, if true at all.

https://twitter.com/EricLDaugh/status/18...4628046201

GOODNIGHT EVERYBODY

(09-10-2024 10:30 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(09-10-2024 10:16 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-10-2024 09:46 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(09-10-2024 09:44 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Kamala Harris just won the presidency tonight.

Winning a debate =/= winning the presidency.

Yeah, this likely changed nothing. We on the right are just disappointed that Kamals didn't implode like we hoped, which would have perhaps ended the race. Like with Biden.

But IMO, she only won with Dems already voting for her. I honestly think this swayed no undecideds either way.

This debate will give the media cover for the next few months.

No need to demand more interviews, she “won the debate.” This will get used for weeks to influence public opinion and that’s why it’s important, not the actual debate topics or soundbites

Less than 2 months left. Which makes the October debate, if it happens, a little more important.

(09-10-2024 10:42 PM)green Wrote:  

https://twitter.com/EricLDaugh/status/18...4628046201

GOODNIGHT EVERYBODY

While I’d love this to be accurate, it’s a FOXLIVE online poll. Hardly a scientific poll.