Freedom for women to make choices about their own bodies, whatever state they reside in.
Freedom to live without the scourge of gun violence.
Pass and sign the bipartisan Border Security bill scuttled by Trump.
Continue to lead the free world in support of Ukraine against Russian aggression until Putin is defeated.

Plenty more as others have noted, these four stand out for me as bringing significant policy differences from the GOP nominee.

(08-13-2024 02:06 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Freedom for women to make choices about their own bodies, whatever state they reside in.
Freedom to live without the scourge of gun violence.
Pass and sign the bipartisan Border Security bill scuttled by Trump.
Continue to lead the free world in support of Ukraine against Russian aggression until Putin is defeated.

Plenty more as others have noted, these four stand out for me as bringing significant policy differences from the GOP nominee.

Kill babies in the womb.
Take away most/all guns.
Sign border bill that does little.
Give more money to corrupt Ukrainian government.

FYP.

(08-13-2024 02:08 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 02:06 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Freedom for women to make choices about their own bodies, whatever state they reside in.
Freedom to live without the scourge of gun violence.
Pass and sign the bipartisan Border Security bill scuttled by Trump.
Continue to lead the free world in support of Ukraine against Russian aggression until Putin is defeated.

Plenty more as others have noted, these four stand out for me as bringing significant policy differences from the GOP nominee.

Kill babies in the womb.
Take away most/all guns.
Sign border bill that does little.
Give more money to corrupt Ukrainian government.

FYP.

This is how threads on this board always get derailed. People prefer to plug in their strawmans and attack those instead of just listening to each other

(08-13-2024 02:11 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 02:08 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 02:06 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Freedom for women to make choices about their own bodies, whatever state they reside in.
Freedom to live without the scourge of gun violence.
Pass and sign the bipartisan Border Security bill scuttled by Trump.
Continue to lead the free world in support of Ukraine against Russian aggression until Putin is defeated.

Plenty more as others have noted, these four stand out for me as bringing significant policy differences from the GOP nominee.

Kill babies in the womb.
Take away most/all guns.
Sign border bill that does little.
Give more money to corrupt Ukrainian government.

FYP.

This is how threads on this board always get derailed. People prefer to plug in their strawmans and attack those instead of just listening to each other

I listen just fine. All I did was make his policies more clear.

(08-13-2024 01:50 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 01:35 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 12:01 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 10:25 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Serious question. Not being bombastic here.

What are the policies you will vote for and why do you believe Harris-Walz will properly address those policies?

I am voting for ...

... continuing the best economic / inflation recovery of any nation in the world
... Supreme Court reform
... Campaign Finance Reform
... Immigration reform (not just the border)
... Continuing the mandatory Defeat of Russia / Victory for Ukraine
... protecting, prioritizing and repairing our climate to the extent that we can, so that many generations of American's can enjoy its natural beauty
... reformation of our healthcare system to lower costs with better and easier accessibility
... Fixing Medicare / Medicaid / Social Security without cutting benefits to those dependent on it
... Preparing this country for the geopolitics and technology of the future
... A robust and mutually beneficial relationship with our allies and the rest of the world, with the US cementing and expanding our current position
... a return to political normalcy where maybe this country can begin healing its divisions
... enshrining abortion rights federally

Not a bad response, but the word "reform" can mean anything. You could flesh those out.

That level of detail is wasted on this board. I have more nuanced opinions, but detail on those opinions, in my experience, opens the door for criticism on those details which distract from the 1000 foot view that was asked for

You voted for that from Pedo Joe.

Prog filth walk up the ramp to slaughter over and over.
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(08-13-2024 02:06 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Freedom for women to make choices about their own bodies, whatever state they reside in.
Freedom to live without the scourge of gun violence.
Pass and sign the bipartisan Border Security bill scuttled by Trump.
Continue to lead the free world in support of Ukraine against Russian aggression until Putin is defeated.

Plenty more as others have noted, these four stand out for me as bringing significant policy differences from the GOP nominee.

Bwahahahahaha

You actually believe that shite

(08-13-2024 02:06 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Freedom for women to make choices about their own bodies, whatever state they reside in.
Freedom to live without the scourge of gun violence.
Pass and sign the bipartisan Border Security bill scuttled by Trump.
Continue to lead the free world in support of Ukraine against Russian aggression until Putin is defeated.

Plenty more as others have noted, these four stand out for me as bringing significant policy differences from the GOP nominee.

#1 is a state issue and not a federal responsibility spelled out by the constitution.
#2 is a constitutionally protected right.
#3 laughable given the border numbers were better under Trump. All Biden had to do was maintain Trumps policies and the numbers would not have exploded.

(08-13-2024 02:08 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 02:06 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Freedom for women to make choices about their own bodies, whatever state they reside in.
Freedom to live without the scourge of gun violence.
Pass and sign the bipartisan Border Security bill scuttled by Trump.
Continue to lead the free world in support of Ukraine against Russian aggression until Putin is defeated.

Plenty more as others have noted, these four stand out for me as bringing significant policy differences from the GOP nominee.

Kill babies in the womb
Take away most/all guns
Sign border bill that does little
Give more money to corrupt Ukrainian government

FYP.

Kill babies in the womb = Force women to give birth, in some states even if raped or their health is endangered
Take away most/all guns = Continue to enjoy frequent mass shootings, unlike any other developed nation, as streets remain awash in weapons of war wholly unnecessary for sport or defensive use
Sign border bill that does little = Massively disrupt American life and economy with mass deportations
Give more money to corrupt Ukrainian government = Bend the knee to Putin's aggression and support the carve-up of Ukraine

FYP.

I'm not a modern liberal as defined by U.S. politics. I'll be up front and say that I don't care for Trump. I think there were a few better alternatives to him. I also think he's too old - not because I think he's compromised like Biden wrt mental health - but based on age alone he's at a point where he can easily start failing mentally. I support having every politician over the age of 70.5 years old permanently banned from running for elected office (of any kind) or holding an elected position.

I am a strong believer in someone who is willing to fight to have a strong manufacturing base, a strong energy sector and a strong agricultural sector that can easily export food to the world in addition to sever our own needs. These 3 parts of the economy are the most critical parts IMHO. I trust Trump over Harris when I weigh these areas of importance. I may not like Trump but I'll vote for the bastard since he supports these 3 areas more so than Harris.

(08-13-2024 02:32 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 02:08 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 02:06 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Freedom for women to make choices about their own bodies, whatever state they reside in.
Freedom to live without the scourge of gun violence.
Pass and sign the bipartisan Border Security bill scuttled by Trump.
Continue to lead the free world in support of Ukraine against Russian aggression until Putin is defeated.

Plenty more as others have noted, these four stand out for me as bringing significant policy differences from the GOP nominee.

Kill babies in the womb
Take away most/all guns
Sign border bill that does little
Give more money to corrupt Ukrainian government

FYP.

Kill babies in the womb = Force women to give birth, in some states even if raped or their health is endangered
Take away most/all guns = Continue to enjoy frequent mass shootings, unlike any other developed nation, as streets remain awash in weapons of war wholly unnecessary for sport or defensive use
Sign border bill that does little = Massively disrupt American life and economy with mass deportations
Give more money to corrupt Ukrainian government = Bend the knee to Putin's aggression and support the carve-up of Ukraine

FYP.

Another genius that doesn't know what a "weapon of war" actually is nor how truly stupid their fear of an AR 15 truly is.

(08-13-2024 02:05 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 01:37 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 01:20 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  If we had Bismarck (or one of the other Universal Healthcare systems) and some form of UBI (I know your negative income tax prebate/prefund thing isn't UBI but it's a similar theory just with means testing) I would want to and support getting rid of a bunch if not maybe all of the current "welfare" programs which most absolutely suck in terms of helping the people they are supposed to help.

You are aware that "means testing" is why 75% of welfare spending goes to administrative overhead, right?

Europe has gotten away from means testing for a lot of programs because they found it was cheaper just to cover everybody than to pay the cost of gatekeepers to enforce means testing. Europe has gone to an "everybody pays and everybody benefits" approach rather than our socialist income and wealth redistribution approach.

Just to be clear, my approach would be Bismarck plus negative income tax or prebate/prefund, and punt all other current welfare programs to the states. They could pick them up or not, as they saw fit, and pay for them with the money they would save because Bismarck makes Medicaid redundant.

I thought I was being clear about this, but yes this is why I support just purely universal everyone gets them programs vs means testing anything. From what I'm reading about negative income tax it sounds like "means testing" in the same way that the covid checks were means tested, in that when you file your taxes if you earned too much you didn't get it, but I'm absolutely not an expert on this so I'd love to have this clarified for me if my understanding is wrong.

I would personally support having more universal welfare programs, most specifically ones that would support and encourage people to have more children. Universal paid family leave, some sort of universal child care for kids younger than kindergarten age. Like I mentioned in another post I'd be very open to some sort of incentives to make it affordable for 1 parent to stay home. Having a child today costs a fortune, especially if you don't have some access to free childcare through family. I think it is good social policy to financially incentivize people to get married and have kids. I am not in the group of people on the "left" who want to glorify single parents or pretend that there's no need to have male figures in a child's life. That's horrible destructive.

I don’t think you are right or left. You seem to be a utopian. That’s fine for thought exercises but it totally disregards the 800 lb gorilla in the room. And that is the true nature of man.

(08-13-2024 12:01 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 10:25 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Serious question. Not being bombastic here.

What are the policies you will vote for and why do you believe Harris-Walz will properly address those policies?

I am voting for ...

... continuing the best economic / inflation recovery of any nation in the world
... Supreme Court reform
... Campaign Finance Reform
... Immigration reform (not just the border)
... Continuing the mandatory Defeat of Russia / Victory for Ukraine
... protecting, prioritizing and repairing our climate to the extent that we can, so that many generations of American's can enjoy its natural beauty
... reformation of our healthcare system to lower costs with better and easier accessibility
... Fixing Medicare / Medicaid / Social Security without cutting benefits to those dependent on it
... Preparing this country for the geopolitics and technology of the future
... A robust and mutually beneficial relationship with our allies and the rest of the world, with the US cementing and expanding our current position
... a return to political normalcy where maybe this country can begin healing its divisions
... enshrining abortion rights federally

What campaign finance reform? The Democrats massively outraise the Republicans. They have most of the billionaires behind them and are getting lots of dark money.

Medicare/Medicaid-the Democrats have totally demagogued this issue. McConnell wanted a bi-partisan reform and Obama flatly told him it was not on his agenda. Democrats have fought every attempt since Reagan to put these programs on a sound footing.

Political normalcy? Biden? Harris? Pelosi? Trump didn't demonize all the supporters of the other side. He didn't threaten to punch or kill Biden/Harris, etc.
Trump is not political normalcy, but if the Democrats wanted political normalcy, Biden/Harris/Walz are the last people they would pick.

(08-13-2024 02:06 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Freedom for women to make choices about their own bodies, whatever state they reside in.

I truly don’t understand why this is the first thing listed and why it is so important to MEN especially. Besides there are a lot of things women are kept by law from doing with their very own body. So that part makes no sense whatsoever.

(08-13-2024 02:05 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 01:45 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 01:40 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 12:01 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 10:25 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Serious question. Not being bombastic here.

What are the policies you will vote for and why do you believe Harris-Walz will properly address those policies?

I am voting for ...

... continuing the best economic / inflation recovery of any nation in the world
... Supreme Court reform
... Campaign Finance Reform
... Immigration reform (not just the border)
... Continuing the mandatory Defeat of Russia / Victory for Ukraine
... protecting, prioritizing and repairing our climate to the extent that we can, so that many generations of American's can enjoy its natural beauty
... reformation of our healthcare system to lower costs with better and easier accessibility
... Fixing Medicare / Medicaid / Social Security without cutting benefits to those dependent on it
... Preparing this country for the geopolitics and technology of the future
... A robust and mutually beneficial relationship with our allies and the rest of the world, with the US cementing and expanding our current position
... a return to political normalcy where maybe this country can begin healing its divisions
... enshrining abortion rights federally

Is this where one asks about the plan to implement the platitudes?

Or perhaps a constitutional amendment since that is what would be required for the last item on his list.

Many of my points would require a constitutional amendment. Immigration reform is not going to happen on the scale it needs to without one. Campaign finance reform isn't going to happen in a two party system, when those very same parties benefit from the status quo.

I'm not saying the democrats will be able to accomplish this, they've had ample opportunities in the past to make attempts, but i'd rather be moving in a direction that might make it possible in the future.

My #1 wishlist is that the two party system is disrupted, and replaced with a 5 or more party system with a moderated, predictable, transparent campaign finance process. A system where everyone in America can feel their ideas are represented, bipartisanship is encouraged, and the impact of extremism from either side is diminished.

With 5 or more parties, the extremists get way too much power. See Israel.

Anything beyond 3 or 4 and you have a mess. And sometimes you get situations like France where it is simply personalities

(08-13-2024 02:32 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Take away most/all guns = Continue to enjoy frequent mass shootings, unlike any other developed nation, as streets remain awash in weapons of war wholly unnecessary for sport or defensive use

Hey numbnuts. Very very few "shootings" are committed by legal gun owners. Criminals who don't obey gun laws in the first place are who you're thinking about. And most citizens already can't buy a "weapon of war". An AR-15 is NOT a weapon of war and you'll never see a soldier carrying one in combat. Go try to buy an M-16 or similar you child. My gosh you people are ignorant.

(08-13-2024 02:32 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 02:08 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 02:06 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Freedom for women to make choices about their own bodies, whatever state they reside in.
Freedom to live without the scourge of gun violence.
Pass and sign the bipartisan Border Security bill scuttled by Trump.
Continue to lead the free world in support of Ukraine against Russian aggression until Putin is defeated.

Plenty more as others have noted, these four stand out for me as bringing significant policy differences from the GOP nominee.

Kill babies in the womb
Take away most/all guns
Sign border bill that does little
Give more money to corrupt Ukrainian government

FYP.

Kill babies in the womb = Force women to give birth, in some states even if raped or their health is endangered
Take away most/all guns = Continue to enjoy frequent mass shootings, unlike any other developed nation, as streets remain awash in weapons of war wholly unnecessary for sport or defensive use
Sign border bill that does little = Massively disrupt American life and economy with mass deportations
Give more money to corrupt Ukrainian government = Bend the knee to Putin's aggression and support the carve-up of Ukraine

FYP.

Of course, nobody does #1. That's just MSM lies.

You can't uncork the bottle. We can't stop illegal drugs. You think you can stop illegal guns? Only criminals and smart people who hide their weapons will have guns. Murders are almost all committed by bad people. They will still have guns.
Importing 10 million illegals has massively disrupted American life and the economy.

Trump actually gave Ukrainians weapons to defend themselves. Obama/Biden gave them socks. Putin would have rolled in to Kiev in 3 weeks if not for Trump. Biden keeps putting handcuffs on the Ukrainian use of weapons, allowing the incursion near Kharkiv. Its a Vietnam type policy except Ukraine doesn't have unlimited manpower and massive air superiority like the US did.

(08-13-2024 02:48 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 02:06 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Freedom for women to make choices about their own bodies, whatever state they reside in.

I truly don’t understand why this is the first thing listed and why it is so important to MEN especially. Besides there are a lot of things women are kept by law from doing with their very own body. So that part makes no sense whatsoever.

Honestly didn't intend the 4 issues I listed to be a ranking, the first two are just points I've heard VP Harris make in her stump speeches that I like. And as you noted, it is of less personal importance to men and I'd certainly rank its importance to me below quelling gun violence and defeating Russian imperialism.

But men can still be strongly in favor of the Equal Protection of the laws, as I am. I'm with the late RBG on Roe vs. Wade, it was a weak decision that should have been grounded in gender equality under the Equal Protection clause. Can you name another law that forbids one gender from doing something with their own body that the other gender is permitted to do?

(08-13-2024 02:52 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 02:32 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Take away most/all guns = Continue to enjoy frequent mass shootings, unlike any other developed nation, as streets remain awash in weapons of war wholly unnecessary for sport or defensive use

Hey numbnuts. Very very few "shootings" are committed by legal gun owners. Criminals who don't obey gun laws in the first place are who you're thinking about. And most citizens already can't buy a "weapon of war". An AR-15 is NOT a weapon of war and you'll never see a soldier carrying one in combat. Go try to buy an M-16 or similar you child. My gosh you people are ignorant.

It's always fun to draw out the gun fetishists with phrases like "weapons of war" and "assault weapons". Whatever you want to call them, average citizens have no need for AR-15s or similar weapons. And we in the majority who favor common sense gun laws could care less about your hair-splitting definitions.

(08-13-2024 02:59 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  It's always fun to draw out the gun fetishists with phrases like "weapons of war" and "assault weapons". Whatever you want to call them, average citizens have no need for AR-15s or similar weapons. And we in the majority who favor common sense gun laws could care less about your hair-splitting definitions.

I have every need for an AR-15 and not only that I have every right to one.

Come try to take them from me.

(08-13-2024 02:48 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 02:06 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Freedom for women to make choices about their own bodies, whatever state they reside in.

I truly don’t understand why this is the first thing listed and why it is so important to MEN especially. Besides there are a lot of things women are kept by law from doing with their very own body. So that part makes no sense whatsoever.

Harris campaign talking point, lying and saying Trump will sign a national bill banning abortion despite Trump saying exactly the opposite. If you base your vote on Harris campaign ads, you are an idiot. The lies they tell about the other side are off the chart. They assume their voters are really, really stupid. There are reasons for voting for the Democrats as a couple on here have articulated, but that is not what Harris campaign ads say.

(08-13-2024 02:59 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 02:48 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 02:06 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Freedom for women to make choices about their own bodies, whatever state they reside in.

I truly don’t understand why this is the first thing listed and why it is so important to MEN especially. Besides there are a lot of things women are kept by law from doing with their very own body. So that part makes no sense whatsoever.

Honestly didn't intend the 4 issues I listed to be a ranking, the first two are just points I've heard VP Harris make in her stump speeches that I like. And as you noted, it is of less personal importance to men and I'd certainly rank its importance to me below quelling gun violence and defeating Russian imperialism.

But men can still be strongly in favor of the Equal Protection of the laws, as I am. I'm with the late RBG on Roe vs. Wade, it was a weak decision that should have been grounded in gender equality under the Equal Protection clause. Can you name another law that forbids one gender from doing something with their own body that the other gender is permitted to do?

(08-13-2024 02:52 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 02:32 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Take away most/all guns = Continue to enjoy frequent mass shootings, unlike any other developed nation, as streets remain awash in weapons of war wholly unnecessary for sport or defensive use

Hey numbnuts. Very very few "shootings" are committed by legal gun owners. Criminals who don't obey gun laws in the first place are who you're thinking about. And most citizens already can't buy a "weapon of war". An AR-15 is NOT a weapon of war and you'll never see a soldier carrying one in combat. Go try to buy an M-16 or similar you child. My gosh you people are ignorant.

It's always fun to draw out the gun fetishists with phrases like "weapons of war" and "assault weapons". Whatever you want to call them, average citizens have no need for AR-15s or similar weapons. And we in the majority who favor common sense gun laws could care less about your hair-splitting definitions.

What you in the majority feel the rest of us need with regard to guns is irrelevant. It's a constitutionally protected right. If you look at how many people are actually killed by AR15's each year you would see how see how ignorant your argument is.