(08-01-2024 08:52 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:47 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:41 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:36 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Kind of like the Inflation Reduction Act? Kind of like Student Loan Forgiveness?

Not really. Both those things are actual policy things that have happened...or were at least officially attempted.

Are you saying neither created holes in the deficit or pandered to certain groups? There are the same.

No, only the R side panders and blows holes in the deficit. Duh.

Funny how they accuse others of doing exactly what they are.

(08-01-2024 09:41 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:33 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Any way, just like the no tax on tips...and the I'm giving you a tax cut before the 2018 midterms...he's just saying anything he desires to get votes. He has no idea what the actual policy would be or how he'd cover the hole in the deficit these things would cause.

Good Lord, just get over yourself with that bs…you absolutely have no idea what you’re talking about…with regard to any subject actually…so sick of liberal nonsense

The bolded part coming from a guy who supported the current vegetable in chief. Sometimes you just gotta laugh.

(08-01-2024 09:45 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:52 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:47 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:41 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Not really. Both those things are actual policy things that have happened...or were at least officially attempted.

Are you saying neither created holes in the deficit or pandered to certain groups? There are the same.

No, only the R side panders and blows holes in the deficit. Duh.

Funny how they accuse others of doing exactly what they are.

(08-01-2024 09:41 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:33 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Any way, just like the no tax on tips...and the I'm giving you a tax cut before the 2018 midterms...he's just saying anything he desires to get votes. He has no idea what the actual policy would be or how he'd cover the hole in the deficit these things would cause.

Good Lord, just get over yourself with that bs…you absolutely have no idea what you’re talking about…with regard to any subject actually…so sick of liberal nonsense

The bolded part coming from a guy who supported the current vegetable in chief. Sometimes you just gotta laugh.

Another reason, and there are many, that he’s full of $hit and is a tired, tired act.

It's the gross lack of self awareness. To pearl clutch as if we can't afford to cut taxes for young people working in their 20's because of the deficit is hilarious.

(08-01-2024 08:41 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:36 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:33 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Any way, just like the no tax on tips...and the I'm giving you a tax cut before the 2018 midterms...he's just saying anything he desires to get votes. He has no idea what the actual policy would be or how he'd cover the hole in the deficit these things would cause.

Kind of like the Inflation Reduction Act? Kind of like Student Loan Forgiveness?

Not really. Both those things are actual policy things that have happened...or were at least officially attempted.

Are you saying neither created holes in the deficit or pandered to certain groups? There are the same.

No, not at all. Democrats don't usually harp on the deficit like the R's. My only point is that trump is all talk and little action. He claimed some tax cut was coming like two weeks before the election. This tip thing will never get through congress. Also, his Iron Dome is like a 3 trillion boondoggle that's not happening ever either.

(08-01-2024 08:47 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:41 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:36 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:33 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Any way, just like the no tax on tips...and the I'm giving you a tax cut before the 2018 midterms...he's just saying anything he desires to get votes. He has no idea what the actual policy would be or how he'd cover the hole in the deficit these things would cause.

Kind of like the Inflation Reduction Act? Kind of like Student Loan Forgiveness?

Not really. Both those things are actual policy things that have happened...or were at least officially attempted.

Are you saying neither created holes in the deficit or pandered to certain groups? There are the same.

No, only the R side panders and blows holes in the deficit. Duh.

Never made that claim. But you're blind or ignorant if you can't see the pattern of R's only seeming to care about the debt and deficit when a Democrat is in the White House.

The Republicans were never really a party of restraint even when they actually pretended to be...now, they don't even pretend any more.

(08-01-2024 09:13 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:33 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Any way, just like the no tax on tips...and the I'm giving you a tax cut before the 2018 midterms...he's just saying anything he desires to get votes. He has no idea what the actual policy would be or how he'd cover the hole in the deficit these things would cause.

So? That's what politicians do. Biden is out here pushing for Supreme Court Reforms that are completely impossible but he's pushing for them anyway to try to get votes.

Completely aware. But I've seen interviews at trump rallies. His base, isn't. At. All.

(08-01-2024 07:36 AM)VA49er Wrote:  I've never understood why SS income would be taxed.

It isn't unless you have other income in retirement that surpasses the yearly threshold.

(08-01-2024 10:05 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:41 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:36 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:33 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Any way, just like the no tax on tips...and the I'm giving you a tax cut before the 2018 midterms...he's just saying anything he desires to get votes. He has no idea what the actual policy would be or how he'd cover the hole in the deficit these things would cause.

Kind of like the Inflation Reduction Act? Kind of like Student Loan Forgiveness?

Not really. Both those things are actual policy things that have happened...or were at least officially attempted.

Are you saying neither created holes in the deficit or pandered to certain groups? There are the same.

No, not at all. Democrats don't usually harp on the deficit like the R's. My only point is that trump is all talk and little action. He claimed some tax cut was coming like two weeks before the election. This tip thing will never get through congress. Also, his Iron Dome is like a 3 trillion boondoggle that's not happening ever either.

Every elected President has over promised and under delivered. They have all done this in the modern era. You’re solely focused on Trump as if he’s some exception to the rule.

Your beef should be with Congress, which always thwarts agenda items regardless of party.


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(08-01-2024 09:46 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  It's the gross lack of self awareness. To pearl clutch as if we can't afford to cut taxes for young people working in their 20's because of the deficit is hilarious.

1. We can afford it, but I would increase taxes on the richer folks to pay for it.
2. I'm all for tax cuts for young taxpayers.
3. It's just my opinion that it will never make it through Congress. I could be wrong.

(08-01-2024 10:12 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 10:05 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:41 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:36 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Kind of like the Inflation Reduction Act? Kind of like Student Loan Forgiveness?

Not really. Both those things are actual policy things that have happened...or were at least officially attempted.

Are you saying neither created holes in the deficit or pandered to certain groups? There are the same.

No, not at all. Democrats don't usually harp on the deficit like the R's. My only point is that trump is all talk and little action. He claimed some tax cut was coming like two weeks before the election. This tip thing will never get through congress. Also, his Iron Dome is like a 3 trillion boondoggle that's not happening ever either.

Every elected President has over promised and under delivered. They have all done this in the modern era. You’re solely focused on Trump as if he’s some exception to the rule.

Your beef should be with Congress, which always thwarts agenda items regardless of party.


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No, not solely, this was a thread on trump. I full well realize all politicians do this. I just see lots of talk from his base. They are in a cult, they believe everything.
Yes, Congress is the problem. Always has been. Never said otherwise.

(08-01-2024 10:05 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:41 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:36 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:33 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Any way, just like the no tax on tips...and the I'm giving you a tax cut before the 2018 midterms...he's just saying anything he desires to get votes. He has no idea what the actual policy would be or how he'd cover the hole in the deficit these things would cause.

Kind of like the Inflation Reduction Act? Kind of like Student Loan Forgiveness?

Not really. Both those things are actual policy things that have happened...or were at least officially attempted.

Are you saying neither created holes in the deficit or pandered to certain groups? There are the same.

No, not at all. Democrats don't usually harp on the deficit like the R's. My only point is that trump is all talk and little action. He claimed some tax cut was coming like two weeks before the election. This tip thing will never get through congress. Also, his Iron Dome is like a 3 trillion boondoggle that's not happening ever either.

What happens anytime someone suggests cuts in spending? Democrats cry that the poor, elderly and children will be hurt. Happens every time. Even when all that is suggested is reductions to increases in spending. All they can talk about is more taxes and more spending even as they manipulate the system to favor certain entities. I agree republicans and Trump have not done as much as they should to address the deficit but I also understand the push back every time a cut is proposed.

(08-01-2024 10:07 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:47 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:41 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:36 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Kind of like the Inflation Reduction Act? Kind of like Student Loan Forgiveness?

Not really. Both those things are actual policy things that have happened...or were at least officially attempted.

Are you saying neither created holes in the deficit or pandered to certain groups? There are the same.

No, only the R side panders and blows holes in the deficit. Duh.

Never made that claim. But you're blind or ignorant if you can't see the pattern of R's only seeming to care about the debt and deficit when a Democrat is in the White House.

The Republicans were never really a party of restraint even when they actually pretended to be...now, they don't even pretend any more.

This is incoherent. Tell the full story in good faith.

1. The mandatory spending was increased massively during the Obama administration. It’s true that Trump didn’t repeal any of the spending, but he tried to. The establishment wing of the GOP sunk the skinny repeal of the ACA, so that’s on McCain and the other RINOs.

2. Trump proposed nearly $1T in spending cuts in his 2017 budget, but of course it wasn’t gonna pass Congress, because all of them want pork barrel spending so they can go back to their districts and protect their seats.

3. The way our system operates with CRs and Omnibus deals, the spending will never be cut regardless of who’s in charge. That transcends political orthodoxy.


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(08-01-2024 10:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 10:12 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 10:05 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:41 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Not really. Both those things are actual policy things that have happened...or were at least officially attempted.

Are you saying neither created holes in the deficit or pandered to certain groups? There are the same.

No, not at all. Democrats don't usually harp on the deficit like the R's. My only point is that trump is all talk and little action. He claimed some tax cut was coming like two weeks before the election. This tip thing will never get through congress. Also, his Iron Dome is like a 3 trillion boondoggle that's not happening ever either.

Every elected President has over promised and under delivered. They have all done this in the modern era. You’re solely focused on Trump as if he’s some exception to the rule.

Your beef should be with Congress, which always thwarts agenda items regardless of party.


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No, not solely, this was a thread on trump. I full well realize all politicians do this. I just see lots of talk from his base. They are in a cult, they believe everything.
Yes, Congress is the problem. Always has been. Never said otherwise.

But Congress is THE problem. You're trying to pin this on one person when the actual debate and consent of the spending comes from McConnell/Ryan/Schumer/Pelosi etc. They enabled the budget to grow to the size that it is now, which is why candidates don't even run as fiscal hawks anymore because it's a waste of time.

(08-01-2024 10:23 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 10:05 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:41 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:36 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Kind of like the Inflation Reduction Act? Kind of like Student Loan Forgiveness?

Not really. Both those things are actual policy things that have happened...or were at least officially attempted.

Are you saying neither created holes in the deficit or pandered to certain groups? There are the same.

No, not at all. Democrats don't usually harp on the deficit like the R's. My only point is that trump is all talk and little action. He claimed some tax cut was coming like two weeks before the election. This tip thing will never get through congress. Also, his Iron Dome is like a 3 trillion boondoggle that's not happening ever either.

What happens anytime someone suggests cuts in spending? Democrats cry that the poor, elderly and children will be hurt. Happens every time. Even when all that is suggested is reductions to increases in spending. All they can talk about is more taxes and more spending even as they manipulate the system to favor certain entities. I agree republicans and Trump have not done as much as they should to address the deficit but I also understand the push back every time a cut is proposed.

Well, yeah, when you want to make cuts to the things they typically cut, that's who gets the shaft.

Said all along, I'm all in favor of cutting out waste in social programs, but it will take a lot of money to revamp things and find it.

(08-01-2024 10:11 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 07:36 AM)VA49er Wrote:  I've never understood why SS income would be taxed.

It isn't unless you have other income in retirement that surpasses the yearly threshold.

That threshold hasn't been adjusted in decades. It's like 35K or something.

(07-31-2024 03:54 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Ok I'm going to sound like a rube...social security is taxable income? Who thought that was a good idea ever?

Our dear leaders, our overseers. The Elite, the Ruling Class. Everyone but SS receipients.

(08-01-2024 07:36 AM)VA49er Wrote:  I've never understood why SS income would be taxed.

Isn't SS already taxed when you get your paycheck? Isn't that a double tax?

(08-01-2024 11:32 AM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 07:36 AM)VA49er Wrote:  I've never understood why SS income would be taxed.

Isn't SS already taxed when you get your paycheck? Isn't that a double tax?

No, when you work, they withhold SS and remit it to the government. It's not "taxed."

When you file for SS, you then receive money.

You can still earn income and have income other than SS when you retire.

If you do and it exceeds the threshold, some of your SS is then taxable.

(08-01-2024 08:36 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:33 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Any way, just like the no tax on tips...and the I'm giving you a tax cut before the 2018 midterms...he's just saying anything he desires to get votes. He has no idea what the actual policy would be or how he'd cover the hole in the deficit these things would cause.

Kind of like the Inflation Reduction Act? Kind of like Student Loan Forgiveness?

I threw that question to my SIL and told her it was QueMala who proposed it as a trick question and she didn't bite. LOL

She wouldn't say yes or no. I think she knew it wasn't QueMala who proposed it as they don't want to decrease taxes they want more like the Giant and the goose who laid golden eggs, "more, more!"

My wife jumped at me and told me, "didn't you say you weren't gonna talk politics?" Ha, ha.

That will make a lot of blue hairs take notice. They'll be pulling their hair out wanting to get the benefit but knowing that they would have to vote for Trump to get it. Bwahahahaha.

Ol' Trump is a sly old dog, he knows that there are also millennials who work at coffee shops and other service industries and will be tempted to vote for him because of no taxes on tips but will have to hold their nose and vote for him. I love it!

(08-01-2024 09:46 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  It's the gross lack of self awareness. To pearl clutch as if we can't afford to cut taxes for young people working in their 20's because of the deficit is hilarious.

I agree completely on this. I think these are 2 objectively good things to run on. I don't and have never understood the clowns who will do insane back bends and contortions to disagree with Trump on a policy that I have little doubt if proposed by literally anyone else you'd agree with it. If Trump came out for some version of Universal Healthcare these same clowns would argue how terrible a policy that is.

If the party further from my ideology starts proposing things I think are objectively great and things I'd support anyone proposing that's awesome! To me that signals a positive shifting of the Overton window of what's possible. Please Trump, keep proposing policies that are good!