(05-14-2024 01:43 PM)green Wrote:  

Quote:Before court resumed for the day, prosecutor Joshua Steinglass told the judge that Donald Trump's former laywer, Michael Cohen, would be the prosecution’s last witness.

THAT'S ALL YOU GOT

not really sure whom else would help them lay out their case.

Did Cohen get immunity? Because if there is a crime, Cohen is the one that committed one. He and Stormy Daniels' attorney for extortion.

(05-14-2024 02:08 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(05-14-2024 01:43 PM)green Wrote:  

Quote:Before court resumed for the day, prosecutor Joshua Steinglass told the judge that Donald Trump's former laywer, Michael Cohen, would be the prosecution’s last witness.

THAT'S ALL YOU GOT

not really sure whom else would help them lay out their case.

Problem is there's nothing that shows where Trump paid hush money directly from Campaign Funds. All you have is Cohen's word, but everyone the prosecution has called has all said they never heard Trump say pay it, it all came from Cohen.

If Trump paid it out of his personal account, there's no crime. If Cohen paid it and he has no proof of who authorized it, you can't blame Trump. Everything else has been fodder. Daniels can't keep her story straight and her testimony had no bearing of the case at all.

Quote:Cohen said he used his home equity line of credit for the funds so it wouldn't be tied to Trump as it was paperless.

HOME ALONE

(05-14-2024 02:09 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Did Cohen get immunity? Because if there is a crime, Cohen is the one that committed one. He and Stormy Daniels' attorney for extortion.

I think Cohen went to jail on this one.

Quote:Cohen was sentenced to three years in prison for financial crimes and lying to congress. During the pandemic lockdowns, he was released from the Otisville Correctional Facility in New York after a year of confinement. He was briefly sent back for allegedly violating the terms of his release by continuing to work on his memoir and moving forward with plans to publish it.

Quote:the guilty plea of MICHAEL COHEN to charges of tax evasion, making false statements to a federally-insured bank, and campaign finance violations. The plea was entered followed the filing of an eight-count criminal information, which alleged that COHEN concealed more than $4 million in personal income from the IRS, made false statements to a federally-insured financial institution in connection with a $500,000 home equity loan, and, in 2016, caused $280,000 in payments to be made to silence two women who otherwise planned to speak publicly about their alleged affairs with a presidential candidate, thereby intending to influence the 2016 presidential election.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/mic...iminal-tax

FLAWED WITNESS

(05-14-2024 02:09 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Did Cohen get immunity? Because if there is a crime, Cohen is the one that committed one. He and Stormy Daniels' attorney for extortion.

Didn’t this skank already get one former slip and fall loiya locked up for a decade or so?

Hitch your saddle to the wrong horse (face) and be careful where it rides you to…

HE’S GOT THA GOODSSS

Too damn funny. Over and over and over and…

Still, you’re talking NY Kangaroo Court.

Guilty verdict would not surprise me at all.

After all they came up with 30plus charges. They just need a few to stick.

Dog and Pony show at best.

(05-14-2024 04:01 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  Still, you’re talking NY Kangaroo Court.

Guilty verdict would not surprise me at all.

After all they came up with 30plus charges. They just need a few to stick.

Dog and Pony show at best.

Judge Dipsh*t does have one flaming legal problem; if Bragg does not show evidence of each required element (and so far he has not) then when the defense asks to dismiss the case prior to going to the jury, the judge must do so. If he doesnt, then that can immediately be appealed prior to sending the case to the jury.

This rarely happens because the DA always will ensure that there is evidence for each required element, and the judge usually wants the jury to decide on the voracity of that evidence unless one or more elements has evidence so nonsensical that they can only come to the conclusion of not guilty. But as of yesterday, there were elements missing evidence altogether.

So, while Bragg may not cover all required elements, he may be banking on Merchan to allow the jury to get the case anyway. But the caveat is that apparently that decision can be immediately appealed.

(05-14-2024 04:01 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  Still, you’re talking NY Kangaroo Court.

Guilty verdict would not surprise me at all.

After all they came up with 30plus charges. They just need a few to stick.

Dog and Pony show at best.

What are the 34 charges? No charges are ever mentioned.

(05-14-2024 04:52 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(05-14-2024 04:01 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  Still, you’re talking NY Kangaroo Court.

Guilty verdict would not surprise me at all.

After all they came up with 30plus charges. They just need a few to stick.

Dog and Pony show at best.

What are the 34 charges? No charges are ever mentioned.

What should be echoed to every corner of this country, is that if a Court can do this to a candidate for President of the United States, what the hell do you think will happen to you and your rights if you are brought before such a kangaroo court? 'Cause, brothers if it can happen to billionaire candidate Donald Trump you don't have a snowball's chance in hell if you are called before one, and that should make all sit up and take notice and it begs a response!

(05-14-2024 04:52 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(05-14-2024 04:01 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  Still, you’re talking NY Kangaroo Court.

Guilty verdict would not surprise me at all.

After all they came up with 30plus charges. They just need a few to stick.

Dog and Pony show at best.

What are the 34 charges? No charges are ever mentioned.

Felonious Mopri is what I heard.

Really, the charge is being Donald J Trump. They will find him thus guilty and this ‘judge’ will order him immediately to jail to serve out 835,005 years or until death.

(05-14-2024 02:35 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Problem is there's nothing that shows where Trump paid hush money directly from Campaign Funds. All you have is Cohen's word, but everyone the prosecution has called has all said they never heard Trump say pay it, it all came from Cohen.

If Trump paid it out of his personal account, there's no crime. If Cohen paid it and he has no proof of who authorized it, you can't blame Trump. Everything else has been fodder. Daniels can't keep her story straight and her testimony had no bearing of the case at all.

Daniel's testimony by itself should be enough to warrant an appeal if found guilty. I know it's probably already been said (not going through 15 pages), but there's no way the sordid details of any affair that might have happened should have been allowed in court. This trial has absolutely nothing to do with that and only served to prejudice the jury. Who's prosecuting, Johnny Cochran? The judge doesn't need an objection to disallow that type of behavior. Been busy and haven't heard Cohen's testimony, and I'm not sure how the NDA was presented to Trump, but if Cohen billed them as legal expenses then I'd expect most people would take their lawyer's word on it. 130K is chump change to Trump. Like Vivek said, this is the bastardization of the American system.

(05-14-2024 10:47 PM)HCJag Wrote:  

(05-14-2024 02:35 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Problem is there's nothing that shows where Trump paid hush money directly from Campaign Funds. All you have is Cohen's word, but everyone the prosecution has called has all said they never heard Trump say pay it, it all came from Cohen.

If Trump paid it out of his personal account, there's no crime. If Cohen paid it and he has no proof of who authorized it, you can't blame Trump. Everything else has been fodder. Daniels can't keep her story straight and her testimony had no bearing of the case at all.

Daniel's testimony by itself should be enough to warrant an appeal if found guilty. I know it's probably already been said (not going through 15 pages), but there's no way the sordid details of any affair that might have happened should have been allowed in court. This trial has absolutely nothing to do with that and only served to prejudice the jury. Who's prosecuting, Johnny Cochran? The judge doesn't need an objection to disallow that type of behavior. Been busy and haven't heard Cohen's testimony, and I'm not sure how the NDA was presented to Trump, but if Cohen billed them as legal expenses then I'd expect most people would take their lawyer's word on it. 130K is chump change to Trump. Like Vivek said, this is the bastardization of the American system.

Exactly. She didn't know if she was being paid from this account or that account.

All that testimony was supposed to be was a soundbyte and it didn't work.

Is it today? Is TODAY the day?

Editorial by a NYC Dem who has served on 3 trials:

Says prosecution didn't prove a crime. Verdict should be either an acquittal or at least a hung jury...

...thinks even a NYC jury can hate Trump but still be fair.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/ny-trump...uld-happen

(05-15-2024 09:03 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Editorial by a NYC Dem who has served on 3 trials:

Says prosecution didn't prove a crime. Verdict should be either an acquittal or at least a hung jury...

...thinks even a NYC jury can hate Trump but still be fair.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/ny-trump...uld-happen

Hitting a registration block, so can't read.

Curious though, was this guy in the courtroom for the whole trial? Hard to know what will happen from just reading the transcription only.

(05-15-2024 09:03 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Editorial by a NYC Dem who has served on 3 trials:

Says prosecution didn't prove a crime. Verdict should be either an acquittal or at least a hung jury...

...thinks even a NYC jury can hate Trump but still be fair.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/ny-trump...uld-happen

The two attorneys on the jury (which should never happen) should go back to their 1st year law school instruction and realize what is happening in this courtroom should NEVER happen in a US courtroom EVER. The jury doesn't even know what crime they are supposed to be deciding, yet.

I don't understand how NY can file federal charges but if this is the case the law will require a Overt Act with in the the statute of limitations and my understanding (could be wrong) that the payment we are talking about was not indicted till 4 MONTHS after the the statute of limitations.

So now the government MUST show a crime (Overt Act) that took place to farther the payment to the porn star that the government said was illegal. So everything we heard or reported on up to this point means nothing unless the government shows.....

a Overt Act with in the the statute of limitations that helped to farther along this payment.

Other words even if the payment was a crime (I dont think they even proved that point) what crime did Trump commit after that payment that extended the the statute of limitations?

(05-15-2024 09:40 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  I don't understand how NY can file federal charges but if this is the case the law will require a Overt Act with in the the statute of limitations and my understanding (could be wrong) that the payment we are talking about was not indicted till 4 MONTHS after the the statute of limitations.

So now the government MUST show a crime (Overt Act) that took place to farther the payment to the porn star that the government said was illegal. So everything we heard or reported on up to this point means nothing unless the government shows.....

a Overt Act with in the the statute of limitations that helped to farther along this payment.

Other words even if the payment was a crime (I dont think they even proved that point) what crime did Trump commit after that payment that extended the the statute of limitations?

The FEC and DOJ both investigated and said the payment was made correctly. Doesn't matter, they would have indicted him if he would have labeled it as a "Campaign Expense" and paid it with other people's money. Oh, and the payment was made while Trump was POTUS. Kinda difficult to "Affect and Election" after you have already won. Two Words: Bimbo Eruptions