Can anyone name a metric that is worse now than when Putin first became president? Life span? Income? Health care? Any examples of how he has made things worse during his terms?

You can name all the SMO related things you want btw, but I know, you know, and everybody else knows that’s a cop out because you likely can’t name anything else

I dunno.. I live in America not Russia.

Todor, why your obsession with Russia, Russia, Russia?

(02-28-2024 03:11 PM)gdunn Wrote:  I dunno.. I live in America not Russia.

That’s one “I have no idea.”

Russias GDP has risen from around 209 billion to around 2 trillion.

That’s up by a factor of 10.

You asked that same question in a thread yesterday. I doubt you'll find many who know enough about Putin and Russia to have an opinion either way.

The Russia obsession continues. I even made you a nice thread for these nonsense posts. Why won't you use it?

None of us have a clue what has changed in day-to-day life in another country under different leaders. Why would we? Why would you?

(02-28-2024 04:41 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  You asked that same question in a thread yesterday. I doubt you'll find many who know enough about Putin and Russia to have an opinion either way.

That is a huge understatement. They’ll still have opinions, but they will just be based on what the news feeds them, so they agree to borrow more money to waste.

With that said, life expectancy has risen faster than a majority of other countries since Vladimir Putin was first elected. It’s hasn’t dropped. It’s rising.

(02-28-2024 04:43 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  The Russia obsession continues. I even made you a nice thread for these nonsense posts. Why won't you use it?

None of us have a clue what has changed in day-to-day life in another country under different leaders. Why would we? Why would you?

Agree. Maybe we can put all the Russia Russia Russia spamming into one big "To Russia With Love" thread so all the guys playing with their Putin action figures wont clutter the board with this kind of irrelevant tripe.

Still waiting…

not sure one can trust the metrics coming out of Russia, but you go girl.

(02-28-2024 05:01 PM)fsquid Wrote:  not sure one can trust the metrics coming out of Russia, but you go girl.

Feel free to use western sources. By all means.

So do you believe Russias economy is smaller than 1999, not roughly 10 times larger

I’m just looking for all the things that are getting worse statistically. I mean, isn’t he running the place in the ground? Of all the people on here who hate Putin, I would expect a flood of ways he has made life materially worse since his election.

I’ll take “Things that only Todor cares about for $400”.

(02-28-2024 04:56 PM)Todor Wrote:  Still waiting…

He’s done wonders for the depopulation crowd.

(02-28-2024 04:45 PM)Todor Wrote:  With that said, life expectancy has risen faster than a majority of other countries since Vladimir Putin was first elected. It’s hasn’t dropped. It’s rising.

It was previously so low that it really can't go anywhere but up.

Well, unless you disagree with Putin. Then your life expectancy isn't increasing.

(02-28-2024 04:45 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 04:41 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  You asked that same question in a thread yesterday. I doubt you'll find many who know enough about Putin and Russia to have an opinion either way.

That is a huge understatement. They’ll still have opinions, but they will just be based on what the news feeds them, so they agree to borrow more money to waste.

With that said, life expectancy has risen faster than a majority of other countries since Vladimir Putin was first elected. It’s hasn’t dropped. It’s rising.

And you offer no links.

It was so low, it wouldn't take much.

That's like saying income has risen faster in Bangladesh than most countries.

(02-28-2024 06:06 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 04:45 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 04:41 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  You asked that same question in a thread yesterday. I doubt you'll find many who know enough about Putin and Russia to have an opinion either way.

That is a huge understatement. They’ll still have opinions, but they will just be based on what the news feeds them, so they agree to borrow more money to waste.

With that said, life expectancy has risen faster than a majority of other countries since Vladimir Putin was first elected. It’s hasn’t dropped. It’s rising.

And you offer no links.

It was so low, it wouldn't take much.

That's like saying income has risen faster in Bangladesh than most countries.

Ah, so you go back to before Putin was president to try to show that what he’s done WHILE president isn’t actually good. Um, ok.

So Russias GDP isn’t up 10 times under his watch?

While people on here constantly criticize the standard of living under Putin, I’ve never seen ONE reference what he inherited to start with. It’s always compared to the very top countries in the world. Including one that has borrowed $35 trillion to fund a standard of living they can’t afford.

But when I point out their GDP is up by a factor of 10, THEN you go back to before he was in power to make an excuse for why 10 times more money doesn’t really count in your view.

Gotcha. You really proved me wrong

Nice try. And next contestant….

(02-28-2024 05:51 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 04:45 PM)Todor Wrote:  With that said, life expectancy has risen faster than a majority of other countries since Vladimir Putin was first elected. It’s hasn’t dropped. It’s rising.

It was previously so low that it really can't go anywhere but up.

Well, unless you disagree with Putin. Then your life expectancy isn't increasing.

So, you think there is more political violence in Russia today, than when Putin took over? Hundreds and hundreds of politicans were killed during the 90’s. There were elections where no one from any party was running because the last 3 people to hold the office had either been executed in the street or thekr car blew up.

Are you saying that more deaths than that are occurring now? Because if that’s what you are trying to get at, you’re completely wrong.

Sorry, next contestant….

You don’t even get the Lee Press On Nails for that attempt btw.

(02-28-2024 07:55 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 05:51 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  It was previously so low that it really can't go anywhere but up.

Well, unless you disagree with Putin. Then your life expectancy isn't increasing.

So, you think there is more political violence in Russia today, than when Putin took over? Hundreds and hundreds of politicans were killed during the 90’s. There were elections where no one from any party was running because the last 3 people to hold the office had either been executed in the street or thekr car blew up.

Are you saying that more deaths than that are occurring now? Because if that’s what you are trying to get at, you’re completely wrong.

Sorry, next contestant….

You don’t even get the Lee Press On Nails for that attempt btw.

Do they not teach reading comprehension at Moscow U? You didn't reply to what I wrote. You built a strawman and then argued with it.

Life expectancy in Russia is six years less than in the USA. The Russian life expectancy could hardly go anywhere but up because it was so dismal.

Are you suggesting that Putin doesn't assassinate his foes, even those that live outside Russia? That's inarguable.

(02-28-2024 10:35 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 07:55 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 05:51 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  It was previously so low that it really can't go anywhere but up.

Well, unless you disagree with Putin. Then your life expectancy isn't increasing.

So, you think there is more political violence in Russia today, than when Putin took over? Hundreds and hundreds of politicans were killed during the 90’s. There were elections where no one from any party was running because the last 3 people to hold the office had either been executed in the street or thekr car blew up.

Are you saying that more deaths than that are occurring now? Because if that’s what you are trying to get at, you’re completely wrong.

Sorry, next contestant….

You don’t even get the Lee Press On Nails for that attempt btw.

Do they not teach reading comprehension at Moscow U? You didn't reply to what I wrote. You built a strawman and then argued with it.

Life expectancy in Russia is six years less than in the USA. The Russian life expectancy could hardly go anywhere but up because it was so dismal.

Are you suggesting that Putin doesn't assassinate his foes, even those that live outside Russia? That's inarguable.

Life expectancy in Russia was a whole lower than -6 compared to the U.S. when Putin took over. Since then, it’s up, up, up.

It’s not going down if that is what you are trying to argue. Sorry.

All kinds of violence are down under Putin. Domestic violence, political violence, random street crimes, etc. Most all of it is down because Putin helped restablish order in the country.

The metrics say violence is down. The metrics say life expectancy is up dramatically.

What else do you have questions about?

But for now, no Lee Press On Nails for you either.

Train service has vastly improved since Vladimir Putin was first elected. So many lines have been upgraded to higher speed. The new line between St Petersburg and Moscow has cut travel time from around 10-12 hours to under 4. Speeds reach over 225 mph. New lines from Moscow to Kazan are in progress, as well as other lines connecting major cities.

The cost was little more than a few short segments of US “high speed” that connects to nothing and has no real plans to ever actually function. #USRailFail

Mega infrastructure projects in Russia are almost too numerous to mention

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/09/us/ca...itics.html

https://thirdeyetraveller.com/moscow-st-...san-train/