(10-07-2023 10:46 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I'm reminded of a comment from the late 1960s.

"They told me that if I voted for Goldwater we would have war in Vietnam and race riots at home. I didn't believe them. But sure enough, I voted for Goldwater and we have war in Vietnam and race riots at home."

For a smart dude youve been wrong. A lot.

(10-08-2023 08:05 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Ezekiel 37:21-22

21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again."



If you know your Bible you know Israel divided up into 2 separate nations after Solomon died. After the return from exile to Babylon God again said they would fall under a much longer judgment (nearly 2000 years) and be destroy by Rome in the same generation as Jesus.

The OT predicted all this 2500 years ago and got all the details dead on. It said Gentile nations would play a key role in the rebirth of Israel and carry many Jews back to the Holy Land from far away countries (EXACTLY what happened following both World wars). It said when the nation was finally reborn they would be surrounded on all sides by enemies screaming for their total annihilation (Islam). It said they would still be rejecting Jesus and still not be right with God, and that He would bring them back to the land FIRST, and then afterwards bring them under the New Covenant through great tribulation while back in the land.

ALL of this has played out just as written 2500 years ago in the Old Testament. The only part left is the final tribulation of the God-Magog war which leads to them finally accepting Jesus as their Messiah.


And people have to gall to say this is just a man made book.

The proof and evidence is right before your eyes.

I agree w/ all of what you've posted in these 2 posts. One thing that has always confused me is how we know the Jews in Israel are really descended from the same Jews that were driven out. There's been a lot of intermixing w/ a lot of different groups of people.

(10-09-2023 11:15 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 08:05 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Ezekiel 37:21-22

21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again."



If you know your Bible you know Israel divided up into 2 separate nations after Solomon died. After the return from exile to Babylon God again said they would fall under a much longer judgment (nearly 2000 years) and be destroy by Rome in the same generation as Jesus.

The OT predicted all this 2500 years ago and got all the details dead on. It said Gentile nations would play a key role in the rebirth of Israel and carry many Jews back to the Holy Land from far away countries (EXACTLY what happened following both World wars). It said when the nation was finally reborn they would be surrounded on all sides by enemies screaming for their total annihilation (Islam). It said they would still be rejecting Jesus and still not be right with God, and that He would bring them back to the land FIRST, and then afterwards bring them under the New Covenant through great tribulation while back in the land.

ALL of this has played out just as written 2500 years ago in the Old Testament. The only part left is the final tribulation of the God-Magog war which leads to them finally accepting Jesus as their Messiah.


And people have to gall to say this is just a man made book.

The proof and evidence is right before your eyes.

I agree w/ all of what you've posted in these 2 posts. One thing that has always confused me is how we know the Jews in Israel are really descended from the same Jews that were driven out. There's been a lot of intermixing w/ a lot of different groups of people.

You never heard of 23andme? Which someone just hacked for all the European Jewish lines.

(10-09-2023 11:19 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-09-2023 11:15 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 08:05 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Ezekiel 37:21-22

21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again."



If you know your Bible you know Israel divided up into 2 separate nations after Solomon died. After the return from exile to Babylon God again said they would fall under a much longer judgment (nearly 2000 years) and be destroy by Rome in the same generation as Jesus.

The OT predicted all this 2500 years ago and got all the details dead on. It said Gentile nations would play a key role in the rebirth of Israel and carry many Jews back to the Holy Land from far away countries (EXACTLY what happened following both World wars). It said when the nation was finally reborn they would be surrounded on all sides by enemies screaming for their total annihilation (Islam). It said they would still be rejecting Jesus and still not be right with God, and that He would bring them back to the land FIRST, and then afterwards bring them under the New Covenant through great tribulation while back in the land.

ALL of this has played out just as written 2500 years ago in the Old Testament. The only part left is the final tribulation of the God-Magog war which leads to them finally accepting Jesus as their Messiah.


And people have to gall to say this is just a man made book.

The proof and evidence is right before your eyes.

I agree w/ all of what you've posted in these 2 posts. One thing that has always confused me is how we know the Jews in Israel are really descended from the same Jews that were driven out. There's been a lot of intermixing w/ a lot of different groups of people.

You never heard of 23andme? Which someone just hacked for all the European Jewish lines.

So everyone is registered there? I'm not. Only an idiot would submit their DNA and name into that.

(10-09-2023 11:23 AM)b2b Wrote:  So everyone is registered there? I'm not. Only an idiot would submit their DNA and name into that.

I agree with you, but it won't matter. My sister, one of my two brothers and a number of my cousins have already outed my line.

When they decide that the Armenians are next, it won't take too much triangulation to track me down.

(10-09-2023 11:23 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(10-09-2023 11:19 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-09-2023 11:15 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 08:05 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Ezekiel 37:21-22

21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again."



If you know your Bible you know Israel divided up into 2 separate nations after Solomon died. After the return from exile to Babylon God again said they would fall under a much longer judgment (nearly 2000 years) and be destroy by Rome in the same generation as Jesus.

The OT predicted all this 2500 years ago and got all the details dead on. It said Gentile nations would play a key role in the rebirth of Israel and carry many Jews back to the Holy Land from far away countries (EXACTLY what happened following both World wars). It said when the nation was finally reborn they would be surrounded on all sides by enemies screaming for their total annihilation (Islam). It said they would still be rejecting Jesus and still not be right with God, and that He would bring them back to the land FIRST, and then afterwards bring them under the New Covenant through great tribulation while back in the land.

ALL of this has played out just as written 2500 years ago in the Old Testament. The only part left is the final tribulation of the God-Magog war which leads to them finally accepting Jesus as their Messiah.


And people have to gall to say this is just a man made book.

The proof and evidence is right before your eyes.

I agree w/ all of what you've posted in these 2 posts. One thing that has always confused me is how we know the Jews in Israel are really descended from the same Jews that were driven out. There's been a lot of intermixing w/ a lot of different groups of people.

You never heard of 23andme? Which someone just hacked for all the European Jewish lines.

So everyone is registered there? I'm not. Only an idiot would submit their DNA and name into that.

What does "everyone" have to do with it? There is DNA. There are genealogies.

(10-09-2023 11:15 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 08:05 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Ezekiel 37:21-22

21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again."



If you know your Bible you know Israel divided up into 2 separate nations after Solomon died. After the return from exile to Babylon God again said they would fall under a much longer judgment (nearly 2000 years) and be destroy by Rome in the same generation as Jesus.

The OT predicted all this 2500 years ago and got all the details dead on. It said Gentile nations would play a key role in the rebirth of Israel and carry many Jews back to the Holy Land from far away countries (EXACTLY what happened following both World wars). It said when the nation was finally reborn they would be surrounded on all sides by enemies screaming for their total annihilation (Islam). It said they would still be rejecting Jesus and still not be right with God, and that He would bring them back to the land FIRST, and then afterwards bring them under the New Covenant through great tribulation while back in the land.

ALL of this has played out just as written 2500 years ago in the Old Testament. The only part left is the final tribulation of the God-Magog war which leads to them finally accepting Jesus as their Messiah.


And people have to gall to say this is just a man made book.

The proof and evidence is right before your eyes.

I agree w/ all of what you've posted in these 2 posts. One thing that has always confused me is how we know the Jews in Israel are really descended from the same Jews that were driven out. There's been a lot of intermixing w/ a lot of different groups of people.

I understand your point I but its common misunderstanding that people have (myself included before I really studied this out in the Bible), mostly based on a false assumption. The purity of their blood has no bearing on anything in the last days according to the Bible. In fact that is the EXACT context Ezekiel and the other prophets put this in. It calls them a people "scattered", a people who have been mixed in with the nations for generations suddenly coming out and returning to the Holy Land.

If they had returned as pure blood Jews or still in their tribes and not mixed with many nations THAT would have been a major contradiction of the Bible on this.

Its an assumption WE make that they are supposed to be a pure blood people 2000+ years later, its not something the Bible says. The text repeatedly says that they will be a people who have been mixed in with many nations for a millennia plus. That is part of the miracle here that they still retain a strong Jewish identity even after 2000 years of mixing with the nations.

It literally HAD to happen this way otherwise the Bible got it all wrong.

So when people start saying Modern Israel are this kind of Jew or that blood of Jew or "not the right Jews" that is just a bunch of silly nonsense because they have not really studied the Bible on this topic. It has nothing to do with that. It had to be mixed up Jews from many nations to fulfill the prophets.

Hope that helps.

The exiled Jews from the OT were in captivity first to the Assyrians [720s BC] and then the Babylonians [580s BC]. They returned to resettle and reclaim their lands as authorized through the Persian Kings Cyrus and Darius from 530s-450s BC. This can be corroborated through various historical accounts including the Book of Ezra and Book of Nehemiah. There hasn't been any mass exodus and destruction of Jerusalem and surrounding lands on that scale since. There are definitely Jews that have descended from that time that reside there.

The greater point is no matter where the Jews are in the world there is a remnant that will proclaim Jesus as the Messiah as part of the Tribulation period. To this point in history, the Jews rejected the law of Moses, the Promised Land, and all the prophets including Jesus's ministry.

(10-09-2023 01:06 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  The exiled Jews from the OT were in captivity first to the Assyrians [720s BC] and then the Babylonians [580s BC]. They returned to resettle and reclaim their lands as authorized through the Persian Kings Cyrus and Darius from 530s-450s BC. This can be corroborated through various historical accounts including the Book of Ezra and Book of Nehemiah. There hasn't been any mass exodus and destruction of Jerusalem and surrounding lands on that scale since. There are definitely Jews that have descended from that time that reside there.

The greater point is no matter where the Jews are in the world there is a remnant that will proclaim Jesus as the Messiah as part of the Tribulation period. To this point in history, the Jews rejected the law of Moses, the Promised Land, and all the prophets including Jesus's ministry.

Nailed it.

There was always a very small number of Jews in the land even during the 1800 year diaspora following 70 AD. Where the confusion comes in is some think God would only fulfill the rebirth of the nation through a group of "pureblood" Jews, but the Bible says the exact opposite of that. It says specifically the latter day rebirth would be by mix Jews coming from nations all across the earth still separated from God and still rejecting Jesus.

Just as a few of several examples:

Ezekiel 38:8
After many days you (GOG-MAGOG) will be visited. In the latter years you will come into the land of those brought back from the sword and gathered from many people on the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate; they were brought out of the nations, and now all of them dwell safely.


Ezekiel 36
17 “Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own ways and deeds; to Me their way was like the uncleanness of a woman in her customary impurity. 18 Therefore I poured out My fury on them for the blood they had shed on the land, and for their idols with which they had defiled it. 19 So I scattered them among the nations, and they were dispersed throughout the countries; I judged them according to their ways and their deeds.

24 For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. 25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols.

Isaiah 11:11-12

It shall come to pass in that day
That the Lord shall set His hand again the second time
To recover the remnant of His people who are left,
From Assyria and Egypt,
From Pathros and Cush,
From Elam and Shinar,
From Hamath and the islands of the sea.

He will set up a banner for the nations,
And will assemble the outcasts of Israel,
And gather together the dispersed of Judah
From the four corners of the earth.


Jeremiah 30:2-3

“Thus speaks the Lord God of Israel, saying: ‘Write in a book for yourself all the words that I have spoken to you. 3 For behold, the days are coming,’ says the Lord, ‘that I will bring back from captivity My people Israel and Judah,’ says the Lord. ‘And I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.’ ”


"They shall possess it" - that did not happen after the Babylonian exile until 1948. They were a conquered nation serving under foreign rulers from Babylon to Rome until the destruction of the temple and the diaspora in 70 AD.