(09-27-2023 11:33 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  So wait are the other G5s just willingly going along with going to 5-7 immediately?

Yeah. Ultimately I think the aac is too. They'll play it up now when they have leverage on the current deal. But at the end of the day g5 is just happy to be at the dance at all. If we see some of the cash, and have a path to the title, that's fine.

And I say that as someone that wanted 10 conference champs + 6 at larges before I thought Kennesaw would move up. That's ideal but realistically g5 has to get along to go along.

(09-27-2023 08:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-27-2023 07:55 PM)clunk Wrote:  

(09-27-2023 07:00 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-27-2023 06:47 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  As I said there is no urgency to decide.

They could wait until mid 2024 to decided autoqualifiers for 2024 according to Bill Hancock. Thus the powers that be could wait all the way up to 2026 for 2026.

The concession I would want wouldn't be a guaranteed autobid but major bowl for each conference champion. Require at least 12 FB members for it (looking at you CUSA). Add the major bowl games as part of the CFP package.

You can't change the rules in the middle of the season. That was one of the dumber things Hancock has said, and he has said many such things. July 2024 is the deadline.

Of course you can change the rules mid season. Happens all the time. Generally frowned upon but as long as you get the votes it can happen.
Remember that there is no contract on Earth that can't be changed if the parties agree.

When did it ever happen in sports except for baseball's strike year?
You won't get 134 schools to agree.

Did you miss 2020? Most of those changes weren't even voted on. Various pro racing series change almost weekly. The WAC-ASUN AQ7 didn't figure out their exact ranking criteria until mid-season.
Again, there is no contract that can't be changed, and a court order can change *anything* at any time.

(09-27-2023 08:48 PM)clunk Wrote:  

(09-27-2023 08:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-27-2023 07:55 PM)clunk Wrote:  

(09-27-2023 07:00 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-27-2023 06:47 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  As I said there is no urgency to decide.

They could wait until mid 2024 to decided autoqualifiers for 2024 according to Bill Hancock. Thus the powers that be could wait all the way up to 2026 for 2026.

The concession I would want wouldn't be a guaranteed autobid but major bowl for each conference champion. Require at least 12 FB members for it (looking at you CUSA). Add the major bowl games as part of the CFP package.

You can't change the rules in the middle of the season. That was one of the dumber things Hancock has said, and he has said many such things. July 2024 is the deadline.

Of course you can change the rules mid season. Happens all the time. Generally frowned upon but as long as you get the votes it can happen.
Remember that there is no contract on Earth that can't be changed if the parties agree.

When did it ever happen in sports except for baseball's strike year?
You won't get 134 schools to agree.

Did you miss 2020? Most of those changes weren't even voted on. Various pro racing series change almost weekly. The WAC-ASUN AQ7 didn't figure out their exact ranking criteria until mid-season.
Again, there is no contract that can't be changed, and a court order can change *anything* at any time.

The change in definition of playoff teams didn't happen in football. And when was the last time we had a pandemic of this nature? It was 1919.

I don't know what happened with the WAC, but then the schedules changed mid-season. We had a pandemic.

And a lawsuit by one of the 134 schools could freeze any change they didn't like.

(09-27-2023 06:47 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  As I said there is no urgency to decide.

They could wait until mid 2024 to decided autoqualifiers for 2024 according to Bill Hancock. Thus the powers that be could wait all the way up to 2026 for 2026.

The concession I would want wouldn't be a guaranteed autobid but major bowl for each conference champion. Require at least 12 FB members for it (looking at you CUSA). Add the major bowl games as part of the CFP package.

Something I always thought about is a B-tier of Bowl games (CFP is the A-tier) played as standalone games after Christmas building up to the CFP quarterfinals (Orange, Cotton, Sugar, and Rose Bowls). 18 teams are selected with all top 25 ranked teams (13 teams) and conference champs (4 champs) that missed the CFP. I think if a G5 conference's champ makes the CFP, their runnerup can take their place for the 18th team, but I'm not too picky on this. If G5 champs are ranked, the CFP committee selects the next best teams (26th, 27th, 28th, etc.) until 18 teams are selected for B-tier.

The rest of the bowl games (~25 games) could be played between Army-Navy and the Hawaii Bowl on Christmas Eve (with the 1st round of the CFP playing in their 4 weekend slots as standalones). These bowls can be your P4 vs. P4 and G5 vs. G5 bowls ESPN pays for.

Last year, the teams would've been (assuming we had a 12 team CFP in place):
#12 Washington
#13 Florida St.
#14 Oregon St.
#15 Oregon
#17 LSU (#16 Tulane in 12 team CFP)
#18 UCLA
#19 South Carolina
#20 Texas
#21 Notre Dame
#22 Mississippi St.
#23 NC State
#24 UTSA (CUSA champ)
#25 Troy (SBC champ)
Fresno St. (MWC champ)
Toledo (MAC champ)
UCF (AAC runner-up)
2 unranked at-large teams (North Carolina & Ole Miss)

Notes:
- UCF would be ranked similar to UNC, as both were ranked going into their CCGs, and likely still gets in as an at-large if we didn't include the runner-up of the G5 conference represented in the CFP.
- No B1G team in this tier so maybe Purdue takes Ole Miss' spot, but I'm not requiring a P4 team from each conference in this tier, especially if they have a team in the CFP. Purdue also never made a CFP top 25 appearance and probably wouldn't have been selected as an at-large even they didn't have to play in the B1G CCG (4th in divisionless B1G)
- Cincinnati could also get in ahead of Ole Miss, but I think the committee takes Ole Miss over Cincinnati.

For what it's worth, G5 representation should be at 20% most years in the CFP and B-tier bowl games, which is equivalent to their CFP payout I believe. This would probably be their best case scenario.

I can’t believe nobody thought to put in a clause that allows them to throw the whole thing out if something happens like what happened with the PAC-12.

(09-28-2023 04:45 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  I can’t believe nobody thought to put in a clause that allows them to throw the whole thing out if something happens like what happened with the PAC-12.

You gotta remember, these idiots live in a bubble and everyone around them are "yes men". Look how much time (years) and money they are spending on reinventing the wheel. FBS football is the only league that has an screwed up playoff, and we didn't even get that until a few years ago. Before that they just chose two teams to play for the championship, then the BCS, and then the 4 team (invitational).

FCS has had a playoff for decades, but the FBS morons refuse to copy it becuase, well, they are morons.

(09-28-2023 06:56 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 04:45 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  I can’t believe nobody thought to put in a clause that allows them to throw the whole thing out if something happens like what happened with the PAC-12.

You gotta remember, these idiots live in a bubble and everyone around them are "yes men". Look how much time (years) and money they are spending on reinventing the wheel. FBS football is the only league that has an screwed up playoff, and we didn't even get that until a few years ago. Before that they just chose two teams to play for the championship, then the BCS, and then the 4 team (invitational).

FCS has had a playoff for decades, but the FBS morons refuse to copy it becuase, well, they are morons.

Or they noticed that the FCS playoff makes less money than the Sun Bowl.

I don't think it's that culpable that they didn't put in a clause covering the crippling-but-not-dissolution of a power conference. Ten years ago, nobody imagined that what happened to the Big East Football Conference could happen to another P5. That's not happening to a league with USC or Texas or Ohio State or Georgia in it. Ooops.

(09-28-2023 07:48 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 06:56 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 04:45 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  I can’t believe nobody thought to put in a clause that allows them to throw the whole thing out if something happens like what happened with the PAC-12.

You gotta remember, these idiots live in a bubble and everyone around them are "yes men". Look how much time (years) and money they are spending on reinventing the wheel. FBS football is the only league that has an screwed up playoff, and we didn't even get that until a few years ago. Before that they just chose two teams to play for the championship, then the BCS, and then the 4 team (invitational).

FCS has had a playoff for decades, but the FBS morons refuse to copy it becuase, well, they are morons.

Or they noticed that the FCS playoff makes less money than the Sun Bowl.

I don't think it's that culpable that they didn't put in a clause covering the crippling-but-not-dissolution of a power conference. Ten years ago, nobody imagined that what happened to the Big East Football Conference could happen to another P5. That's not happening to a league with USC or Texas or Ohio State or Georgia in it. Ooops.

It makes less money because it's FCS Your casual fan does'nt know where the hell Kennessaw or Tarleton are. Get real here.

(09-28-2023 07:50 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 07:48 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 06:56 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 04:45 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  I can’t believe nobody thought to put in a clause that allows them to throw the whole thing out if something happens like what happened with the PAC-12.

You gotta remember, these idiots live in a bubble and everyone around them are "yes men". Look how much time (years) and money they are spending on reinventing the wheel. FBS football is the only league that has an screwed up playoff, and we didn't even get that until a few years ago. Before that they just chose two teams to play for the championship, then the BCS, and then the 4 team (invitational).

FCS has had a playoff for decades, but the FBS morons refuse to copy it becuase, well, they are morons.

Or they noticed that the FCS playoff makes less money than the Sun Bowl.

I don't think it's that culpable that they didn't put in a clause covering the crippling-but-not-dissolution of a power conference. Ten years ago, nobody imagined that what happened to the Big East Football Conference could happen to another P5. That's not happening to a league with USC or Texas or Ohio State or Georgia in it. Ooops.

It makes less money because it's FCS Your casual fan does'nt know where the hell Kennessaw or Tarleton are. Get real here.

They don't know where most of the Sun Belt is. But Marshall does have a movie!

(09-28-2023 07:48 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 06:56 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 04:45 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  I can’t believe nobody thought to put in a clause that allows them to throw the whole thing out if something happens like what happened with the PAC-12.

You gotta remember, these idiots live in a bubble and everyone around them are "yes men". Look how much time (years) and money they are spending on reinventing the wheel. FBS football is the only league that has an screwed up playoff, and we didn't even get that until a few years ago. Before that they just chose two teams to play for the championship, then the BCS, and then the 4 team (invitational).

FCS has had a playoff for decades, but the FBS morons refuse to copy it becuase, well, they are morons.

Or they noticed that the FCS playoff makes less money than the Sun Bowl.

I don't think it's that culpable that they didn't put in a clause covering the crippling-but-not-dissolution of a power conference. Ten years ago, nobody imagined that what happened to the Big East Football Conference could happen to another P5. That's not happening to a league with USC or Texas or Ohio State or Georgia in it. Ooops.

Heck - even in the case of the old Big East, it never dissolved or got below the FBS minimum member threshold as it morphed into the AAC. The Pac-12 possibly operating as a 2-team league definitely wasn’t anticipated.

(09-28-2023 07:50 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 07:48 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 06:56 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 04:45 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  I can’t believe nobody thought to put in a clause that allows them to throw the whole thing out if something happens like what happened with the PAC-12.

You gotta remember, these idiots live in a bubble and everyone around them are "yes men". Look how much time (years) and money they are spending on reinventing the wheel. FBS football is the only league that has an screwed up playoff, and we didn't even get that until a few years ago. Before that they just chose two teams to play for the championship, then the BCS, and then the 4 team (invitational).

FCS has had a playoff for decades, but the FBS morons refuse to copy it becuase, well, they are morons.

Or they noticed that the FCS playoff makes less money than the Sun Bowl.

I don't think it's that culpable that they didn't put in a clause covering the crippling-but-not-dissolution of a power conference. Ten years ago, nobody imagined that what happened to the Big East Football Conference could happen to another P5. That's not happening to a league with USC or Texas or Ohio State or Georgia in it. Ooops.

It makes less money because it's FCS Your casual fan does'nt know where the hell Kennessaw or Tarleton are. Get real here.

The point is, just having a rational playoff system isn't necessarily a ticket to prosperity. Sports fandom in general, and especially college sports fandom, doesn't necessarily make rational sense. Refer back to the old Jerry Seinfeld routine about rooting for laundry, to the John Mulaney bit about alumni giving money being like being in love with a stripper you haven;t seen in years -- you have the degree, the transaction is done, your business is completed, she's not going to do anything else for you.

So The Powers That Be in college football, who make a hekuva lotta money off of Roll Tide and O-H-I-O and calling the hogs and Good Old Fashioned Hate, maybe are understandably reluctatnt to make the system to clean and orderly and reasonable.

Because in reasonably organized sports, even the world's biggest Kansas City Chiefs fan isn't buying Patrick Mahomes' mother a house. Without the weird emotional traditions and quirks and nonsense, all you have is football, played by sub-NFL talent. Look over at the XFL, USFL to see how that goes.

(09-28-2023 01:02 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 07:50 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 07:48 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 06:56 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 04:45 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  I can’t believe nobody thought to put in a clause that allows them to throw the whole thing out if something happens like what happened with the PAC-12.

You gotta remember, these idiots live in a bubble and everyone around them are "yes men". Look how much time (years) and money they are spending on reinventing the wheel. FBS football is the only league that has an screwed up playoff, and we didn't even get that until a few years ago. Before that they just chose two teams to play for the championship, then the BCS, and then the 4 team (invitational).

FCS has had a playoff for decades, but the FBS morons refuse to copy it becuase, well, they are morons.

Or they noticed that the FCS playoff makes less money than the Sun Bowl.

I don't think it's that culpable that they didn't put in a clause covering the crippling-but-not-dissolution of a power conference. Ten years ago, nobody imagined that what happened to the Big East Football Conference could happen to another P5. That's not happening to a league with USC or Texas or Ohio State or Georgia in it. Ooops.

It makes less money because it's FCS Your casual fan does'nt know where the hell Kennessaw or Tarleton are. Get real here.

The point is, just having a rational playoff system isn't necessarily a ticket to prosperity. Sports fandom in general, and especially college sports fandom, doesn't necessarily make rational sense. Refer back to the old Jerry Seinfeld routine about rooting for laundry, to the John Mulaney bit about alumni giving money being like being in love with a stripper you haven;t seen in years -- you have the degree, the transaction is done, your business is completed, she's not going to do anything else for you.

So The Powers That Be in college football, who make a hekuva lotta money off of Roll Tide and O-H-I-O and calling the hogs and Good Old Fashioned Hate, maybe are understandably reluctatnt to make the system to clean and orderly and reasonable.

Because in reasonably organized sports, even the world's biggest Kansas City Chiefs fan isn't buying Patrick Mahomes' mother a house. Without the weird emotional traditions and quirks and nonsense, all you have is football, played by sub-NFL talent. Look over at the XFL, USFL to see how that goes.

I guess that explains why March Madness makes money with all of those no name schools in it. Go figure.

(09-28-2023 12:51 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 07:48 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 06:56 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 04:45 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  I can’t believe nobody thought to put in a clause that allows them to throw the whole thing out if something happens like what happened with the PAC-12.

You gotta remember, these idiots live in a bubble and everyone around them are "yes men". Look how much time (years) and money they are spending on reinventing the wheel. FBS football is the only league that has an screwed up playoff, and we didn't even get that until a few years ago. Before that they just chose two teams to play for the championship, then the BCS, and then the 4 team (invitational).

FCS has had a playoff for decades, but the FBS morons refuse to copy it becuase, well, they are morons.

Or they noticed that the FCS playoff makes less money than the Sun Bowl.

I don't think it's that culpable that they didn't put in a clause covering the crippling-but-not-dissolution of a power conference. Ten years ago, nobody imagined that what happened to the Big East Football Conference could happen to another P5. That's not happening to a league with USC or Texas or Ohio State or Georgia in it. Ooops.

Heck - even in the case of the old Big East, it never dissolved or got below the FBS minimum member threshold as it morphed into the AAC. The Pac-12 possibly operating as a 2-team league definitely wasn’t anticipated.

They got raided down to 6 when VT and Miami left and added UConn to get to 7. The next year when BC left, they kicked out Temple and added UL, UC and USF to get to 8. When they lost WVU, they added Temple back. When SU and Pitt left the next year, they were down to 6 and added 4 schools to the renamed AAC (3 of whom have left), UH, SMU, UCF and Memphis. The next year UL and Rutgers left and they were replaced.

(09-28-2023 06:56 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 04:45 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  I can’t believe nobody thought to put in a clause that allows them to throw the whole thing out if something happens like what happened with the PAC-12.

You gotta remember, these idiots live in a bubble and everyone around them are "yes men". Look how much time (years) and money they are spending on reinventing the wheel. FBS football is the only league that has an screwed up playoff, and we didn't even get that until a few years ago. Before that they just chose two teams to play for the championship, then the BCS, and then the 4 team (invitational).

FCS has had a playoff for decades, but the FBS morons refuse to copy it becuase, well, they are morons.

FCS playoff brings in barely enough money to cover the costs. FBS playoff is going to be a 10 figure payout every single year. I think I'll go with whatever FBS is doing.

(09-28-2023 07:48 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 06:56 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 04:45 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  I can’t believe nobody thought to put in a clause that allows them to throw the whole thing out if something happens like what happened with the PAC-12.

You gotta remember, these idiots live in a bubble and everyone around them are "yes men". Look how much time (years) and money they are spending on reinventing the wheel. FBS football is the only league that has an screwed up playoff, and we didn't even get that until a few years ago. Before that they just chose two teams to play for the championship, then the BCS, and then the 4 team (invitational).

FCS has had a playoff for decades, but the FBS morons refuse to copy it becuase, well, they are morons.

Or they noticed that the FCS playoff makes less money than the Sun Bowl.

I don't think it's that culpable that they didn't put in a clause covering the crippling-but-not-dissolution of a power conference. Ten years ago, nobody imagined that what happened to the Big East Football Conference could happen to another P5. That's not happening to a league with USC or Texas or Ohio State or Georgia in it. Ooops.

Well, technically it did not happen to a league with any of those schools in it. It sort of almost happened to a league that lost one, then it actually did happen to the league that lost USC. I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict that there will be a threshold beyond which your league loses CFP "power" and eventually even "voting" status. Something like:

If your Conference loses 50% of membership during the CFP contract time frame, then you're no longer considered a "power" conference, relegating the leftovers to the much lower g5 payout scale. Lose 67% of membership and you no longer have a vote on CFP related matters at all.

That would quite tidily deal with another Pac-like situation in, say, the 2030s.

(09-28-2023 03:46 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 01:02 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 07:50 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 07:48 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 06:56 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  You gotta remember, these idiots live in a bubble and everyone around them are "yes men". Look how much time (years) and money they are spending on reinventing the wheel. FBS football is the only league that has an screwed up playoff, and we didn't even get that until a few years ago. Before that they just chose two teams to play for the championship, then the BCS, and then the 4 team (invitational).

FCS has had a playoff for decades, but the FBS morons refuse to copy it becuase, well, they are morons.

Or they noticed that the FCS playoff makes less money than the Sun Bowl.

I don't think it's that culpable that they didn't put in a clause covering the crippling-but-not-dissolution of a power conference. Ten years ago, nobody imagined that what happened to the Big East Football Conference could happen to another P5. That's not happening to a league with USC or Texas or Ohio State or Georgia in it. Ooops.

It makes less money because it's FCS Your casual fan does'nt know where the hell Kennessaw or Tarleton are. Get real here.

The point is, just having a rational playoff system isn't necessarily a ticket to prosperity. Sports fandom in general, and especially college sports fandom, doesn't necessarily make rational sense. Refer back to the old Jerry Seinfeld routine about rooting for laundry, to the John Mulaney bit about alumni giving money being like being in love with a stripper you haven;t seen in years -- you have the degree, the transaction is done, your business is completed, she's not going to do anything else for you.

So The Powers That Be in college football, who make a hekuva lotta money off of Roll Tide and O-H-I-O and calling the hogs and Good Old Fashioned Hate, maybe are understandably reluctatnt to make the system to clean and orderly and reasonable.

Because in reasonably organized sports, even the world's biggest Kansas City Chiefs fan isn't buying Patrick Mahomes' mother a house. Without the weird emotional traditions and quirks and nonsense, all you have is football, played by sub-NFL talent. Look over at the XFL, USFL to see how that goes.

I guess that explains why March Madness makes money with all of those no name schools in it. Go figure.

We get it, you want to completely change the way we do things in the FBS, even though your school has never qualified for a major bowl, much less the playoff. Stuff like this is why the g5 schools get limited voting rights. I feel like I'm as big of a fan as you'll find in P2 circles for making our FBS tent as large as possible, but the whole reason we have autonomy structure and a separate FBS division is so that smaller schools aren't telling ND and Georgia how to decide a National Champion. Fortunately, the g5 schools generally recognize this and opt to play nicely (and strive for promotion) rather than constantly throwing wrenches into the works and eventually getting themselves kicked off the island.

(09-28-2023 03:46 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  I guess that explains why March Madness makes money with all of those no name schools in it. Go figure.

Office pools, bro. People will watch snails race if they have money on the line.

(09-28-2023 04:51 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 06:56 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 04:45 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  I can’t believe nobody thought to put in a clause that allows them to throw the whole thing out if something happens like what happened with the PAC-12.

You gotta remember, these idiots live in a bubble and everyone around them are "yes men". Look how much time (years) and money they are spending on reinventing the wheel. FBS football is the only league that has an screwed up playoff, and we didn't even get that until a few years ago. Before that they just chose two teams to play for the championship, then the BCS, and then the 4 team (invitational).

FCS has had a playoff for decades, but the FBS morons refuse to copy it becuase, well, they are morons.

FCS playoff brings in barely enough money to cover the costs. FBS playoff is going to be a 10 figure payout every single year. I think I'll go with whatever FBS is doing.

You do realize there would be totally different teams playing in the playoff right?

(09-28-2023 05:00 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 03:46 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 01:02 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 07:50 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 07:48 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  Or they noticed that the FCS playoff makes less money than the Sun Bowl.

I don't think it's that culpable that they didn't put in a clause covering the crippling-but-not-dissolution of a power conference. Ten years ago, nobody imagined that what happened to the Big East Football Conference could happen to another P5. That's not happening to a league with USC or Texas or Ohio State or Georgia in it. Ooops.

It makes less money because it's FCS Your casual fan does'nt know where the hell Kennessaw or Tarleton are. Get real here.

The point is, just having a rational playoff system isn't necessarily a ticket to prosperity. Sports fandom in general, and especially college sports fandom, doesn't necessarily make rational sense. Refer back to the old Jerry Seinfeld routine about rooting for laundry, to the John Mulaney bit about alumni giving money being like being in love with a stripper you haven;t seen in years -- you have the degree, the transaction is done, your business is completed, she's not going to do anything else for you.

So The Powers That Be in college football, who make a hekuva lotta money off of Roll Tide and O-H-I-O and calling the hogs and Good Old Fashioned Hate, maybe are understandably reluctatnt to make the system to clean and orderly and reasonable.

Because in reasonably organized sports, even the world's biggest Kansas City Chiefs fan isn't buying Patrick Mahomes' mother a house. Without the weird emotional traditions and quirks and nonsense, all you have is football, played by sub-NFL talent. Look over at the XFL, USFL to see how that goes.

I guess that explains why March Madness makes money with all of those no name schools in it. Go figure.

We get it, you want to completely change the way we do things in the FBS, even though your school has never qualified for a major bowl, much less the playoff. Stuff like this is why the g5 schools get limited voting rights. I feel like I'm as big of a fan as you'll find in P2 circles for making our FBS tent as large as possible, but the whole reason we have autonomy structure and a separate FBS division is so that smaller schools aren't telling ND and Georgia how to decide a National Champion. Fortunately, the g5 schools generally recognize this and opt to play nicely (and strive for promotion) rather than constantly throwing wrenches into the works and eventually getting themselves kicked off the island.

FBS can't even figure it out. Why do you think we've gone from BCS to 4 team invitational to 12 team? Why do you think they keep changing it? They aren't changing it again for a 3rd time in 20 years just for the hell of it. Do you see the progression of adding more teams? Why do you think that's happening? SMDH

And in regards to your smart ass remark about G5... quit hoarding all the money. What do you think can happen if a G5 were able to double their finances, might be a little threatening to a middling P5? You all can't have that now can you? A&M and ND have seen what a G5 can do.

(09-29-2023 08:01 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 05:00 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 03:46 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 01:02 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 07:50 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  It makes less money because it's FCS Your casual fan does'nt know where the hell Kennessaw or Tarleton are. Get real here.

The point is, just having a rational playoff system isn't necessarily a ticket to prosperity. Sports fandom in general, and especially college sports fandom, doesn't necessarily make rational sense. Refer back to the old Jerry Seinfeld routine about rooting for laundry, to the John Mulaney bit about alumni giving money being like being in love with a stripper you haven;t seen in years -- you have the degree, the transaction is done, your business is completed, she's not going to do anything else for you.

So The Powers That Be in college football, who make a hekuva lotta money off of Roll Tide and O-H-I-O and calling the hogs and Good Old Fashioned Hate, maybe are understandably reluctatnt to make the system to clean and orderly and reasonable.

Because in reasonably organized sports, even the world's biggest Kansas City Chiefs fan isn't buying Patrick Mahomes' mother a house. Without the weird emotional traditions and quirks and nonsense, all you have is football, played by sub-NFL talent. Look over at the XFL, USFL to see how that goes.

I guess that explains why March Madness makes money with all of those no name schools in it. Go figure.

We get it, you want to completely change the way we do things in the FBS, even though your school has never qualified for a major bowl, much less the playoff. Stuff like this is why the g5 schools get limited voting rights. I feel like I'm as big of a fan as you'll find in P2 circles for making our FBS tent as large as possible, but the whole reason we have autonomy structure and a separate FBS division is so that smaller schools aren't telling ND and Georgia how to decide a National Champion. Fortunately, the g5 schools generally recognize this and opt to play nicely (and strive for promotion) rather than constantly throwing wrenches into the works and eventually getting themselves kicked off the island.

FBS can't even figure it out. Why do you think we've gone from BCS to 4 team invitational to 12 team? Why do you think they keep changing it? They aren't changing it again for a 3rd time in 20 years just for the hell of it. Do you see the progression of adding more teams? Why do you think that's happening? SMDH

And in regards to your smart ass remark about G5... quit hoarding all the money. What do you think can happen if a G5 were able to double their finances, might be a little threatening to a middling P5? You all can't have that now can you? A&M and ND have seen what a G5 can do.

The purpose of the FCS playoffs is to find who's the best team. It's pretty good at that.
The purpose of FBS post season is to make as much money as possible, while pretending it's about finding the best team. That's harder to balance, which is why they keep adjusting it.