(09-21-2023 01:52 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(09-21-2023 09:53 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Both recent past and future P5 home games

App: UNC, Wake, NCSU, USC, Miami
ODU: VT, Wake, UNC, UVA,
GaSt: Vandy, UNC, GTech, Wake
TxSt: Arizona State, Baylor,
USM: Miss State,
Troy: Miss State, NCSU, BYU
GaSo: Houston
CCU: UVA, BYU, Kansas
stAte: Iowa State, Miami
USA: Ole Miss
Louisiana: Miss State,
Marshall: VT

So like 28 games over a say 10 year period. With 4 OOC games and 14 programs, that's out of like 560 OOC games.

I mean we've played VT at home twice and have 4 more home games coming up. And the list seems to miss some of Marshall's in the past, not sure how far he went back. Honestly, we probably play more OOC home games against P5 than most P5 teams do.

But you claimed the AAC played a lot more. So lets see it. I took a brief look and like I said, they probably schedule on avg a few more than the SB every year but the difference isn't that vast.

(09-21-2023 02:34 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-21-2023 01:52 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(09-21-2023 09:53 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Both recent past and future P5 home games

App: UNC, Wake, NCSU, USC, Miami
ODU: VT, Wake, UNC, UVA,
GaSt: Vandy, UNC, GTech, Wake
TxSt: Arizona State, Baylor,
USM: Miss State,
Troy: Miss State, NCSU, BYU
GaSo: Houston
CCU: UVA, BYU, Kansas
stAte: Iowa State, Miami
USA: Ole Miss
Louisiana: Miss State,
Marshall: VT

So like 28 games over a say 10 year period. With 4 OOC games and 14 programs, that's out of like 560 OOC games.

I mean we've played VT at home twice and have 4 more home games coming up. And the list seems to miss some of Marshall's in the past, not sure how far he went back. Honestly, we probably play more OOC home games against P5 than most P5 teams do.

But you claimed the AAC played a lot more. So lets see it. I took a brief look and like I said, they probably schedule on avg a few more than the SB every year but the difference isn't that vast.

I don't have time to do the research. Just last week USF hosted Alabama and Tulsa hosted Oklahoma off the top of my head.

(09-21-2023 02:52 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(09-21-2023 02:34 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-21-2023 01:52 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(09-21-2023 09:53 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Both recent past and future P5 home games

App: UNC, Wake, NCSU, USC, Miami
ODU: VT, Wake, UNC, UVA,
GaSt: Vandy, UNC, GTech, Wake
TxSt: Arizona State, Baylor,
USM: Miss State,
Troy: Miss State, NCSU, BYU
GaSo: Houston
CCU: UVA, BYU, Kansas
stAte: Iowa State, Miami
USA: Ole Miss
Louisiana: Miss State,
Marshall: VT

So like 28 games over a say 10 year period. With 4 OOC games and 14 programs, that's out of like 560 OOC games.

I mean we've played VT at home twice and have 4 more home games coming up. And the list seems to miss some of Marshall's in the past, not sure how far he went back. Honestly, we probably play more OOC home games against P5 than most P5 teams do.

But you claimed the AAC played a lot more. So lets see it. I took a brief look and like I said, they probably schedule on avg a few more than the SB every year but the difference isn't that vast.

I don't have time to do the research. Just last week USF hosted Alabama and Tulsa hosted Oklahoma off the top of my head.

WOW 2 games. Compelling info.

Here's a count of every AAC home P5 game from 2014 -2022 minus 2020. Apologies for the ugly formatting. The last number is the total number of games for each team. There have been 60 total games.

2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2021 2022 Total
Cin 2 1 1 4
Uconn1 2 1 4
ECU 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 7
Houston 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 7
memphis 1 1 1 1 1 5
SMU 2 1 1 1 1 6
USF 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 9
Temple 2 2 1 1 6
Tulane1 1 2
Tulsa 1 1 2
UCF 1 1 1 1 2 6
Navy 2 2
60

(09-21-2023 04:06 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  Here's a count of every AAC home P5 game from 2014 -2022 minus 2020. Apologies for the ugly formatting. The last number is the total number of games for each team. There have been 60 total games.

2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2021 2022 Total
Cin 2 1 1 4
Uconn1 2 1 4
ECU 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 7
Houston 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 7
memphis 1 1 1 1 1 5
SMU 2 1 1 1 1 6
USF 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 9
Temple 2 2 1 1 6
Tulane1 1 2
Tulsa 1 1 2
UCF 1 1 1 1 2 6
Navy 2 2
60

That’s a solid looking conference and I hate to be critical cause I know you put some work into this but……..that’s not the American conference anymore.

(09-21-2023 04:06 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  Here's a count of every AAC home P5 game from 2014 -2022 minus 2020. Apologies for the ugly formatting. The last number is the total number of games for each team. There have been 60 total games.

2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2021 2022 Total
Cin 2 1 1 4
Uconn1 2 1 4
ECU 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 7
Houston 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 7
memphis 1 1 1 1 1 5
SMU 2 1 1 1 1 6
USF 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 9
Temple 2 2 1 1 6
Tulane1 1 2
Tulsa 1 1 2
UCF 1 1 1 1 2 6
Navy 2 2
60

Excellent work.

(09-21-2023 04:26 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-21-2023 04:06 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  Here's a count of every AAC home P5 game from 2014 -2022 minus 2020. Apologies for the ugly formatting. The last number is the total number of games for each team. There have been 60 total games.

2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2021 2022 Total
Cin 2 1 1 4
Uconn1 2 1 4
ECU 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 7
Houston 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 7
memphis 1 1 1 1 1 5
SMU 2 1 1 1 1 6
USF 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 9
Temple 2 2 1 1 6
Tulane1 1 2
Tulsa 1 1 2
UCF 1 1 1 1 2 6
Navy 2 2
60

That’s a solid looking conference and I hate to be critical cause I know you put some work into this but……..that’s not the American conference anymore.

Subtracting the numbers from those programs now gone from the AAC (and SMU) yields 32. I don't know what the number is for the six newbies (and from that time span) but I suppose is could be 10. So that's 42. Not sure how impressive (or not so) such a number would be.

(09-17-2023 10:20 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-17-2023 09:21 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  According to conference ranking (Massey Composite), the Sun Belt went from 10th (last) to 6th in the last 9 years. That's incredibly difficult.

MWC does have two very strong teams that beat P5 schools. I don't know but Fresno State and Air Force are in front of the SBC in the others receiving votes. Fresno State could be the one that enters the top 25 this week.
JMU is still not be able to go to a bowl this year unless there is not enough teams.
Georgia State is the weakling of the bunch that will suffer their first loss.
Marshall may have the chance to go to a NY 6 bowl, but it would be hard to get past Memphis, Fresno State or Air Force. Fresno State and Air Force don't face each other, but they both could go to the playoffs unbeaten, and one of them could sneak a Playoff spot.

El OH El

This aged well.

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Here is a chart of future home P4 OOC games for both conferences, reflecting every game FBSchedules.com had listed.

Charlotte 3 App State 2
ECU 4 CCU 1
FAU 1 Ga Southern 1
Memphis 1 Ga State 3
Navy 1 JMU 0
North Texas 4 Marshall 1
Rice 2 ODU 6
Temple 4 Ark State 0
Tulane 4 Louisiana 0
Tulsa 5 South Alabama 0
UAB 0 Southern Miss 2
USF 5 Texas State 1
UTSA 0 Troy 2
ULM 0
34 19

(09-21-2023 11:38 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  Here is a chart of future home P4 OOC games for both conferences, reflecting every game FBSchedules.com had listed.

Charlotte 3 App State 2
ECU 4 CCU 1
FAU 1 Ga Southern 1
Memphis 1 Ga State 3
Navy 1 JMU 0
North Texas 4 Marshall 1
Rice 2 ODU 6
Temple 4 Ark State 0
Tulane 4 Louisiana 0
Tulsa 5 South Alabama 0
UAB 0 Southern Miss 2
USF 5 Texas State 1
UTSA 0 Troy 2
34 ULM 0
17

34-19*

(09-22-2023 03:27 AM)AvgSportsFan Wrote:  

(09-21-2023 11:38 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  Here is a chart of future home P4 OOC games for both conferences, reflecting every game FBSchedules.com had listed.

Charlotte 3 App State 2
ECU 4 CCU 1
FAU 1 Ga Southern 1
Memphis 1 Ga State 3
Navy 1 JMU 0
North Texas 4 Marshall 1
Rice 2 ODU 6
Temple 4 Ark State 0
Tulane 4 Louisiana 0
Tulsa 5 South Alabama 0
UAB 0 Southern Miss 2
USF 5 Texas State 1
UTSA 0 Troy 2
34 ULM 0
17

34-19*

Thanks, I will edit the original.

(09-21-2023 11:38 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  Here is a chart of future home P4 OOC games for both conferences, reflecting every game FBSchedules.com had listed.

Charlotte 3 App State 2
ECU 4 CCU 1
FAU 1 Ga Southern 1
Memphis 1 Ga State 3
Navy 1 JMU 0
North Texas 4 Marshall 1
Rice 2 ODU 6
Temple 4 Ark State 0
Tulane 4 Louisiana 0
Tulsa 5 South Alabama 0
UAB 0 Southern Miss 2
USF 5 Texas State 1
UTSA 0 Troy 2
ULM 0
34 19

Ole Miss @ South Alabama in 2029.

App is hosting Wake too. Date hasn't been determined yet.

And yet, the SBC will still win more of them, which is going back to the original premise of this thread.

(09-19-2023 09:56 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 04:03 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 11:17 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  I think one of the things about the SBC is that we're all a bunch of small schools in small towns that no one wants. The big city schools can't stand it when we win. How dare a small school in WV or in Boone NC come in and win like we win. You wonder why we have a chip on our shoulder? It's because you put it there. So yes we are proud of where the SBC is now, why? Because none of you wanted us and it makes you all mad that we're winning. You've got the money and the markets and all the resources and that's supposed to equal wins... but guess what? It doesn't.

Lol is that how it feels to do none of the work on a group project and still get an A? Wasn’t Marshall PART of those money and markets associations for like, 15 years, and throughout the Sun Belt’s rise? The one you left the humble, regional MAC for? The one that told App State and Ga Southern to kick rocks in favor of startups UTSA and Charlotte?

I’m sure you’re proud to be in SBC now, which has turned into a very fun conference (although one that always had solid potential). Man, what an act though. Your school was WITH the rival league for 95% of the Belt’s rise. Marshall (and USM) were very much wanted by big market schools. You were with them for decades!

The Sun Belt is a good conference because it invited good FCS teams. Shocker, football commitment and support translates! The top of the FCS/D1-A is traditionally just as good as the top of the G5, and four specific additions (JMU in 21, CCU in 17, App State and Southern in 14) plus the ejection of Idaho have led to the Sun Belt becoming, at worst, the second best league in G5.

Marshall and USM are just 2 votes. The big city commuter schools for the most part voted as a block in CUSA 2.0 - 3.0.

This SHSU poster does not understand the Texas Bias C-USA 3.0 had and still does have to this day.

Do we give awards for number of metaphors mixed in one thread title?

(09-22-2023 11:43 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  Do we give awards for number of metaphors mixed in one thread title?

I don't know, but it's over 9,000.

(09-21-2023 11:33 AM)thecoffeecake Wrote:  

(09-21-2023 11:17 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-21-2023 08:49 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(09-21-2023 08:09 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(09-21-2023 02:34 AM)C2__ Wrote:  YOU may not see it that way but to most people they are roughly equal.

College basketball is a far bigger deal than it seems some on this board either 1. realize or 2. realize but are unwilling to admit. One reason is because both men and women play the sport. In addition, there are far more college basketball games televised (and understandably so) than there are college football games.

True, college football is the king. But college hoops (and particularly when you include the women) should not be discounted.

BD,

There have been college bowl games between 6- to 9-win G5 teams on ESPN at the same time as games like UNC vs. Kentucky (on CBS over the air) that have garnered more viewership than the basketball game.

This is why middling football schools like Arizona & Arizona State got into the Big 12 over basketball juggernaut UConn.

And one thing thats not really been mentioned is how badly UConn screwed the pooch by leaving the AAC. Had they remained, it would have appeared that they at least cared about football. But by leaving, they were essentially saying "we are hitching our horse to basketball and football can go be irrelevant in indi land."

Its possible that Uconn could have been one of the first four callups when the B12 was rebuilding.

Uconn tried for 8 years to move into the P group, and the moment the go to the BE, multiple times they were prime for a callup but missed the boat by neglecting their football program.

UConn wasn't even on the radar when they were in the AAC. Their football was one of the worst in fbs and their basketball was mediocre and irrelevant. The only reason you're talking about them is because they revived their basketball program by leaving the AAC and won a natty. They showed that they still could compete in the right environment. And football indy has been kinder to them than AAC football was, hosting P5s and playing in a bowl game last year.

Leaving the AAC was the best thing they could've done for their athletics, hands down.

In fact, Uconn WON a national champion while a member of the AAC. It appears some people's basketball and conference history go back no more than a few years.

And its laughable the AAC was keeping Uconn down in basketball, other than beating them up. I mean, they were losing to Tulsa. We're supposed to believe the BE is a better conference, and a team that was losing to Tulsa in the AAC can now tear through the BE?

And yes, their football has been horrible. But remaining in the AAC and acting like its important would have been a pretty big help over the past 2 B12 expansions. Notice how the B12 was fairly vocal about adding them, but not for all sports. Its a crying shame they didnt put the effort in the past 5 years instead of running off to a basketball conference and dumping their football program. If there's one thing Uconn athletics could use right now, its a 31million dollar check every year.

UConn’s national championship in the AAC came in the first year when they had all Big East recruits. It was also 3 years removed from their 2011 National Championship, so they had the recruiting spillover from that.