(06-18-2023 03:44 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 04:28 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 08:55 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  So you'd rather have a pos Democrat as President AM?

No. But I prefer to have a non-p.o.s. Democrat, if we are put to that choice.

Edit (from the Royal Farms rest stop in Ardmore, VA):

I answered your question poorly, Bartlett. My own preferences are meaningless. What matters is who can beat the pos Democrat in 2024. It’s not Donald Trump. He will find some way to lose disgracefully.

So the question goes back to you, since you are white-knighting for Trump on at least this particular thread: would you rather have a pos Democrat as president? If not, you may want to think about being a bit more vocal on your concerns (which I know you have) about Donald’s many serious shortcomings.

A better question is: which demon currently in the news that may run is a better fit than any of the ones that are currently in power or want that power? Can you name one who has common sense and looks out for the country instead of him/herself and/or party?

Honestly, the only one, so far, is RFK and he ain't getting no presidency. The media and the Demoncraptic Party are seeing to that. I still wouldn't vote for him myself as I haven't actually seen anything that he has done in his life to warrant the WH, except being a descendant of past Demoncrap office holders.

Tulsi Gabbard, Joe Manchin, John Delaney, Harold Ford, Sherrod Brown, Andrew Yang and of course RFK, Jr. I don’t think that ANY of them have a chance of being the 2024 Democrat nominee. That party is way too far around the insanity bend. But I would be open to voting for any of them over Donald Trump.

And now, ollie, why is your question better than mine? Is defending the precious honor of Donald Trump more important to you than keeping a pos Democrat out of the White House in this upcoming election? That’s the question that was posed and that’s very much what’s at stake.

I answered your silly question. You got an answer to mine, or is this yet another one-way Trumplet conversation?

(06-18-2023 06:34 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  We're in the primary and all people can discuss is it's Trump or some lefty. Nah republicans have a chance to nominate someone who isn't a habitual liar, someone who hasn't made such terrible pics for positions. Someone who hasn't expanded the debt more than Obama did.

Not to mention none of the Trumpers here ever get their panties in a wad when people say they would only vote for Trump. It's only the other way.

I have not heard a single person say they would only vote for Trump. You heard what you wanted to hear like a lot of never Trumpers.

(06-18-2023 07:25 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 03:44 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 04:28 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 08:55 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  So you'd rather have a pos Democrat as President AM?

No. But I prefer to have a non-p.o.s. Democrat, if we are put to that choice.

Edit (from the Royal Farms rest stop in Ardmore, VA):

I answered your question poorly, Bartlett. My own preferences are meaningless. What matters is who can beat the pos Democrat in 2024. It’s not Donald Trump. He will find some way to lose disgracefully.

So the question goes back to you, since you are white-knighting for Trump on at least this particular thread: would you rather have a pos Democrat as president? If not, you may want to think about being a bit more vocal on your concerns (which I know you have) about Donald’s many serious shortcomings.

A better question is: which demon currently in the news that may run is a better fit than any of the ones that are currently in power or want that power? Can you name one who has common sense and looks out for the country instead of him/herself and/or party?

Honestly, the only one, so far, is RFK and he ain't getting no presidency. The media and the Demoncraptic Party are seeing to that. I still wouldn't vote for him myself as I haven't actually seen anything that he has done in his life to warrant the WH, except being a descendant of past Demoncrap office holders.

Tulsi Gabbard, Joe Manchin, John Delaney, Harold Ford, Sherrod Brown, Andrew Yang and of course RFK, Jr. I don’t think that ANY of them have a chance of being the 2024 Democrat nominee. That party is way too far around the insanity bend. But I would be open to voting for any of them over Donald Trump.

And now, ollie, why is your question better than mine? Is defending the precious honor of Donald Trump more important to you than keeping a pos Democrat out of the White House in this upcoming election? That’s the question that was posed and that’s very much what’s at stake.

I answered your silly question. You got an answer to mine, or is this yet another one-way Trumplet conversation?

FFS

Mental illness

(06-18-2023 07:25 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 03:44 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 04:28 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 08:55 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  So you'd rather have a pos Democrat as President AM?

No. But I prefer to have a non-p.o.s. Democrat, if we are put to that choice.

Edit (from the Royal Farms rest stop in Ardmore, VA):

I answered your question poorly, Bartlett. My own preferences are meaningless. What matters is who can beat the pos Democrat in 2024. It’s not Donald Trump. He will find some way to lose disgracefully.

So the question goes back to you, since you are white-knighting for Trump on at least this particular thread: would you rather have a pos Democrat as president? If not, you may want to think about being a bit more vocal on your concerns (which I know you have) about Donald’s many serious shortcomings.

A better question is: which demon currently in the news that may run is a better fit than any of the ones that are currently in power or want that power? Can you name one who has common sense and looks out for the country instead of him/herself and/or party?

Honestly, the only one, so far, is RFK and he ain't getting no presidency. The media and the Demoncraptic Party are seeing to that. I still wouldn't vote for him myself as I haven't actually seen anything that he has done in his life to warrant the WH, except being a descendant of past Demoncrap office holders.

Tulsi Gabbard, Joe Manchin, John Delaney, Harold Ford, Sherrod Brown, Andrew Yang and of course RFK, Jr. I don’t think that ANY of them have a chance of being the 2024 Democrat nominee. That party is way too far around the insanity bend. But I would be open to voting for any of them over Donald Trump.

And now, ollie, why is your question better than mine? Is defending the precious honor of Donald Trump more important to you than keeping a pos Democrat out of the White House in this upcoming election? That’s the question that was posed and that’s very much what’s at stake.

I answered your silly question. You got an answer to mine, or is this yet another one-way Trumplet conversation?

AM, you hate him. We realize that. But he is leading by a mile at the moment and you succeed in insulting a large majority of those you probably agree with in policy. I agree with most of your opinions but the hatred of Trump is over the top. And I might add a little bordering on hyperbole. Our side should stick together to defeat the criminals that have invaded our government. You’re not going to change the minds of 10% of the Trump supporters. Let it play out and as Shere said just don’t vote for prog filth.

Republicans can't win with Trump, and they can't live without him. And if democrats win we are hosed.

(06-18-2023 07:42 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 07:25 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 03:44 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 04:28 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 08:55 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  So you'd rather have a pos Democrat as President AM?

No. But I prefer to have a non-p.o.s. Democrat, if we are put to that choice.

Edit (from the Royal Farms rest stop in Ardmore, VA):

I answered your question poorly, Bartlett. My own preferences are meaningless. What matters is who can beat the pos Democrat in 2024. It’s not Donald Trump. He will find some way to lose disgracefully.

So the question goes back to you, since you are white-knighting for Trump on at least this particular thread: would you rather have a pos Democrat as president? If not, you may want to think about being a bit more vocal on your concerns (which I know you have) about Donald’s many serious shortcomings.

A better question is: which demon currently in the news that may run is a better fit than any of the ones that are currently in power or want that power? Can you name one who has common sense and looks out for the country instead of him/herself and/or party?

Honestly, the only one, so far, is RFK and he ain't getting no presidency. The media and the Demoncraptic Party are seeing to that. I still wouldn't vote for him myself as I haven't actually seen anything that he has done in his life to warrant the WH, except being a descendant of past Demoncrap office holders.

Tulsi Gabbard, Joe Manchin, John Delaney, Harold Ford, Sherrod Brown, Andrew Yang and of course RFK, Jr. I don’t think that ANY of them have a chance of being the 2024 Democrat nominee. That party is way too far around the insanity bend. But I would be open to voting for any of them over Donald Trump.

And now, ollie, why is your question better than mine? Is defending the precious honor of Donald Trump more important to you than keeping a pos Democrat out of the White House in this upcoming election? That’s the question that was posed and that’s very much what’s at stake.

I answered your silly question. You got an answer to mine, or is this yet another one-way Trumplet conversation?

AM, you hate him. We realize that. But he is leading by a mile at the moment and you succeed in insulting a large majority of those you probably agree with in policy. I agree with most of your opinions but the hatred of Trump is over the top. And I might add a little bordering on hyperbole. Our side should stick together to defeat the criminals that have invaded our government. You’re not going to change the minds of 10% of the Trump supporters. Let it play out and as Shere said just don’t vote for prog filth.

I am guilty as charged: of hating what he has done; of hyperbole; and of being intentionally insulting to those that make excuses for him. Shame on me.

But, sorry to say, I do not plan to stop. I don’t think that’s a banning offense, but if it is that is one way to stop me.

The other way is for people who know better to speak up. There are, by my count, only three completely marinated Trumplets among the regular posters here: shere kahn, UMSU and ollie. They have every right to post. And I have every right to fire back.

Why are so few doing so? What is so special about Donald Trump that we have to tiptoe around him and his supporters? They are certainly not tiptoeing around the rest of us.

There are lots of things to be afraid of for our nation. Donald Trump, moronic loser that he is, ought not be one of them.

(06-18-2023 07:31 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 06:34 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  We're in the primary and all people can discuss is it's Trump or some lefty. Nah republicans have a chance to nominate someone who isn't a habitual liar, someone who hasn't made such terrible pics for positions. Someone who hasn't expanded the debt more than Obama did.

Not to mention none of the Trumpers here ever get their panties in a wad when people say they would only vote for Trump. It's only the other way.

I have not heard a single person say they would only vote for Trump. You heard what you wanted to hear like a lot of never Trumpers.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-969123-page-1.html There's several in this thread. One who called DeSantis the enemy. One who said they couldn't see themselves voting for Desantis if he got the nod. They are both firm Trump supporters. It should be pretty familiar since you had several posts in that thread.

There was no posts talking about how it's either vote for the Republican nominee or it's a vote for the leftists from those who make such a big deal about on posts criticizing Trump.

In other threads where Trump supporters criticize Desantis. I don't see people saying that means they pretty much support a Biden win. It's only when you criticize Trump that people assume you will never vote for him. Because any tough criticisms of Trump somehow equates to a vote for Biden for some people.

I could find plenty of more posts if I spent hours crawling through threads. Because I have definitely seen plenty. That's certainly longer than I want to spend on this though. I just remember these specifically because I made that thread.

(06-18-2023 08:50 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  Because any tough criticisms of Trump somehow equates to a vote for Biden for some people.

Any tough criticisms spark the equivalent of a maddened African killer bee swarm. Lol.

Except the African Killer Bees dont scream 'whadabout' nearly as loud.

(06-18-2023 08:50 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 07:31 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 06:34 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  We're in the primary and all people can discuss is it's Trump or some lefty. Nah republicans have a chance to nominate someone who isn't a habitual liar, someone who hasn't made such terrible pics for positions. Someone who hasn't expanded the debt more than Obama did.

Not to mention none of the Trumpers here ever get their panties in a wad when people say they would only vote for Trump. It's only the other way.

I have not heard a single person say they would only vote for Trump. You heard what you wanted to hear like a lot of never Trumpers.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-969123-page-1.html There's several in this thread. One who called DeSantis the enemy. One who said they couldn't see themselves voting for Desantis if he got the nod. They are both firm Trump supporters. It should be pretty familiar since you had several posts in that thread.

There was no posts talking about how it's either vote for the Republican nominee or it's a vote for the leftists from those who make such a big deal about on posts criticizing Trump.

In other threads where Trump supporters criticize Desantis. I don't see people saying that means they pretty much support a Biden win. It's only when you criticize Trump that people assume you will never vote for him. Because any tough criticisms of Trump somehow equates to a vote for Biden for some people.

I could find plenty of more posts if I spent hours crawling through threads. Because I have definitely seen plenty. That's certainly longer than I want to spend on this though. I just remember these specifically because I made that thread.

I have said and will repeat here that I will (if all remains the same) vote for Trump in the primary. He has been there. Knows the bad actors. Is the most hated republican candidate by the corrupt left. Has a base of new blood to put in positions where things can begin to be cleaned up. We have a solid bench of young republicans to appoint as a running mate if Trump wins the nomination. If he doesn’t I’ll vote for whoever the republican nominee is. I’ll hold my nose and vomit in my mouth if I have to vote for Christi or Hutchinson though. I’m pretty sure that has no chance of happening though.

Hate Trump all y’all want. Call those who will vote for him what you want. Lie that he got nothing done. Lie that he put no one good in positions in his administration. Lie he is a grifter all you want. Complain loudly that he never did the right things. But in the end you are helping the enemy. The side that never complains about their brain dead nominee. The side that will vote for anyone with the D by their names regardless of competence or moral integrity. Only republicans are willing to gladly lose because our nominee isn’t perfect. Only republicans argue that they will not vote for a republican nominee because it’s not their choice.

With this thinking we will get exactly what we deserve. Defeat.

(06-18-2023 09:29 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 08:50 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  Because any tough criticisms of Trump somehow equates to a vote for Biden for some people.

Any tough criticisms spark the equivalent of a maddened African killer bee swarm. Lol.

Except the African Killer Bees dont scream 'whadabout' nearly as loud.

You just don’t get it. Never will.

Criticize him all you want. AM does it constantly. But at least he gets it. You on the other hand buy into the corrupt DOJFBI cabal. That’s a totally different argument. Beat Trump in the primary or the general. Not with the club of the mighty DOJFBI by a corrupt president who is highly compromised and his highly partisan SCOTUS jilted AG.

(06-18-2023 09:40 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 08:50 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 07:31 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 06:34 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  We're in the primary and all people can discuss is it's Trump or some lefty. Nah republicans have a chance to nominate someone who isn't a habitual liar, someone who hasn't made such terrible pics for positions. Someone who hasn't expanded the debt more than Obama did.

Not to mention none of the Trumpers here ever get their panties in a wad when people say they would only vote for Trump. It's only the other way.

I have not heard a single person say they would only vote for Trump. You heard what you wanted to hear like a lot of never Trumpers.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-969123-page-1.html There's several in this thread. One who called DeSantis the enemy. One who said they couldn't see themselves voting for Desantis if he got the nod. They are both firm Trump supporters. It should be pretty familiar since you had several posts in that thread.

There was no posts talking about how it's either vote for the Republican nominee or it's a vote for the leftists from those who make such a big deal about on posts criticizing Trump.

In other threads where Trump supporters criticize Desantis. I don't see people saying that means they pretty much support a Biden win. It's only when you criticize Trump that people assume you will never vote for him. Because any tough criticisms of Trump somehow equates to a vote for Biden for some people.

I could find plenty of more posts if I spent hours crawling through threads. Because I have definitely seen plenty. That's certainly longer than I want to spend on this though. I just remember these specifically because I made that thread.

I have said and will repeat here that I will (if all remains the same) vote for Trump in the primary. He has been there. Knows the bad actors. Is the most hated republican candidate by the corrupt left. Has a base of new blood to put in positions where things can begin to be cleaned up. We have a solid bench of young republicans to appoint as a running mate if Trump wins the nomination. If he doesn’t I’ll vote for whoever the republican nominee is. I’ll hold my nose and vomit in my mouth if I have to vote for Christi or Hutchinson though. I’m pretty sure that has no chance of happening though.

Hate Trump all y’all want. Call those who will vote for him what you want. Lie that he got nothing done. Lie that he put no one good in positions in his administration. Lie he is a grifter all you want. Complain loudly that he never did the right things. But in the end you are helping the enemy. The side that never complains about their brain dead nominee. The side that will vote for anyone with the D by their names regardless of competence or moral integrity. Only republicans are willing to gladly lose because our nominee isn’t perfect. Only republicans argue that they will not vote for a republican nominee because it’s not their choice.

With this thinking we will get exactly what we deserve. Defeat.

He did a really bad job of identifying the bad actors the first time.

He appointed a lot of bad people. Sessions was a disaster. Tillerson was awful. He couldn't work with Trump as he had every bit as big an ego. Perry was an idiot. DeVos was an idiot. Christopher Wray was a big mistake, especially considering Trump already had experience with Comey.

(06-18-2023 09:40 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 08:50 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 07:31 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 06:34 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  We're in the primary and all people can discuss is it's Trump or some lefty. Nah republicans have a chance to nominate someone who isn't a habitual liar, someone who hasn't made such terrible pics for positions. Someone who hasn't expanded the debt more than Obama did.

Not to mention none of the Trumpers here ever get their panties in a wad when people say they would only vote for Trump. It's only the other way.

I have not heard a single person say they would only vote for Trump. You heard what you wanted to hear like a lot of never Trumpers.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-969123-page-1.html There's several in this thread. One who called DeSantis the enemy. One who said they couldn't see themselves voting for Desantis if he got the nod. They are both firm Trump supporters. It should be pretty familiar since you had several posts in that thread.

There was no posts talking about how it's either vote for the Republican nominee or it's a vote for the leftists from those who make such a big deal about on posts criticizing Trump.

In other threads where Trump supporters criticize Desantis. I don't see people saying that means they pretty much support a Biden win. It's only when you criticize Trump that people assume you will never vote for him. Because any tough criticisms of Trump somehow equates to a vote for Biden for some people.

I could find plenty of more posts if I spent hours crawling through threads. Because I have definitely seen plenty. That's certainly longer than I want to spend on this though. I just remember these specifically because I made that thread.

I have said and will repeat here that I will (if all remains the same) vote for Trump in the primary. He has been there. Knows the bad actors. Is the most hated republican candidate by the corrupt left. Has a base of new blood to put in positions where things can begin to be cleaned up. We have a solid bench of young republicans to appoint as a running mate if Trump wins the nomination. If he doesn’t I’ll vote for whoever the republican nominee is. I’ll hold my nose and vomit in my mouth if I have to vote for Christi or Hutchinson though. I’m pretty sure that has no chance of happening though.

Hate Trump all y’all want. Call those who will vote for him what you want. Lie that he got nothing done. Lie that he put no one good in positions in his administration. Lie he is a grifter all you want. Complain loudly that he never did the right things. But in the end you are helping the enemy. The side that never complains about their brain dead nominee. The side that will vote for anyone with the D by their names regardless of competence or moral integrity. Only republicans are willing to gladly lose because our nominee isn’t perfect. Only republicans argue that they will not vote for a republican nominee because it’s not their choice.

With this thinking we will get exactly what we deserve. Defeat.

Never insulted Trump supporters just because they like Trump. Never called him a grifter. Never said he got nothing done. I've defended Trump in posts on this board. I've said I thought he did great with his Supreme court picks. I said the media has overinflated and downright made up many of their attacks on him. I know you saw those posts because you quoted me in a couple of them. Because while I defended him, I also had criticism for him in the same post. Which is not allowed it seems. That means I'm a Biden supporter or something.

Once again the issue is a lot of people here will only defend Trump. If another republican is attacked it's all quiet. If me attacking Trump is just playing into dem hands, what does that make Trump with his insane attacks on DeSantis saying he has pretty much the worst state in the U.S. or insinuating he's a pedophile, or saying he's in league with the deep state. And it's not just DeSantis he's launching daily attacks on Republicans many of whom aren't even running for president. I'm just a guy on a message board, he's one of the most influential people on the planet, but I don't hear you saying he's just playing into dem hands with those insane attacks.

(06-18-2023 09:49 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 09:29 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 08:50 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  Because any tough criticisms of Trump somehow equates to a vote for Biden for some people.

Any tough criticisms spark the equivalent of a maddened African killer bee swarm. Lol.

Except the African Killer Bees dont scream 'whadabout' nearly as loud.

You just don’t get it. Never will.

Criticize him all you want. AM does it constantly. But at least he gets it. You on the other hand buy into the corrupt DOJFBI cabal. That’s a totally different argument. Beat Trump in the primary or the general. Not with the club of the mighty DOJFBI by a corrupt president who is highly compromised and his highly partisan SCOTUS jilted AG.

Buzz buzz buzz buzz buzz.... I still want to know how anyone can consider a Top Secret document concerning US nuclear stances as "my document". You know, that question you so astutely avoid answering.

The interesting thing is the filter going on over there -- anything positive of Trump is 'gung ho head to the hills'. Anything negative is 'lies'.

You astutely avoid facts in that manner.

All you can say about anything factual in the MAL matter is 'you dont read that chit.'

So please stop with the holier than thou 'mighty DOJFBI' crap. I would prefer you deal with factual issues as opposed to veneer thin rhetorical garbage.

Oh, and I would prefer you maybe once or twice simply decide to converse by something more than butthurt name calling.

My position is simple as well. There are really no Dems I will vote for. I will vote for just about any Repub. Excepting Trump.

Just taking MAL for an example --

a) the first option is that the stated facts, or some good proportion in the indictment are true. In that case Trump is just exposing his common crook streak. And I will not vote for that.

b) given that Trump actively hid the documents, and lied to the investigators about the documents -- assume that wasnt ill intent. If not ill intent, it is the mark of a really stupid as fk person. In that case, instead of the off ramp of turning the docs over and letting the issue go its own way -- Trump handed the DOJ / FBI exactly the tool they needed to throw the book at him. Someone that irresponsible shouldnt be elected dog catcher, let alone re-elected President.

Thats just MAL. Wash rinse and repeat for 4 or 5 somewhat major issues that are ongoing, and may very well germinate soon.

At best, a walking incompetent train wreck, who blunders into vanity driven fk up to vanity driven fk up. At worst, a conniving dishonest huckster.

Not a great choice in my book.

(06-18-2023 10:03 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 09:40 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 08:50 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 07:31 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 06:34 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  We're in the primary and all people can discuss is it's Trump or some lefty. Nah republicans have a chance to nominate someone who isn't a habitual liar, someone who hasn't made such terrible pics for positions. Someone who hasn't expanded the debt more than Obama did.

Not to mention none of the Trumpers here ever get their panties in a wad when people say they would only vote for Trump. It's only the other way.

I have not heard a single person say they would only vote for Trump. You heard what you wanted to hear like a lot of never Trumpers.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-969123-page-1.html There's several in this thread. One who called DeSantis the enemy. One who said they couldn't see themselves voting for Desantis if he got the nod. They are both firm Trump supporters. It should be pretty familiar since you had several posts in that thread.

There was no posts talking about how it's either vote for the Republican nominee or it's a vote for the leftists from those who make such a big deal about on posts criticizing Trump.

In other threads where Trump supporters criticize Desantis. I don't see people saying that means they pretty much support a Biden win. It's only when you criticize Trump that people assume you will never vote for him. Because any tough criticisms of Trump somehow equates to a vote for Biden for some people.

I could find plenty of more posts if I spent hours crawling through threads. Because I have definitely seen plenty. That's certainly longer than I want to spend on this though. I just remember these specifically because I made that thread.

I have said and will repeat here that I will (if all remains the same) vote for Trump in the primary. He has been there. Knows the bad actors. Is the most hated republican candidate by the corrupt left. Has a base of new blood to put in positions where things can begin to be cleaned up. We have a solid bench of young republicans to appoint as a running mate if Trump wins the nomination. If he doesn’t I’ll vote for whoever the republican nominee is. I’ll hold my nose and vomit in my mouth if I have to vote for Christi or Hutchinson though. I’m pretty sure that has no chance of happening though.

Hate Trump all y’all want. Call those who will vote for him what you want. Lie that he got nothing done. Lie that he put no one good in positions in his administration. Lie he is a grifter all you want. Complain loudly that he never did the right things. But in the end you are helping the enemy. The side that never complains about their brain dead nominee. The side that will vote for anyone with the D by their names regardless of competence or moral integrity. Only republicans are willing to gladly lose because our nominee isn’t perfect. Only republicans argue that they will not vote for a republican nominee because it’s not their choice.

With this thinking we will get exactly what we deserve. Defeat.

Never insulted Trump supporters just because they like Trump. Never called him a grifter. Never said he got nothing done. I've defended Trump in posts on this board. I've said I thought he did great with his Supreme court picks. I said the media has overinflated and downright made up many of their attacks on him. I know you saw those posts because you quoted me in a couple of them. Because while I defended him, I also had criticism for him in the same post. Which is not allowed it seems. That means I'm a Biden supporter or something.

Once again the issue is a lot of people here will only defend Trump. If another republican is attacked it's all quiet. If me attacking Trump is just playing into dem hands, what does that make Trump with his insane attacks on DeSantis saying he has pretty much the worst state in the U.S. or insinuating he's a pedophile, or saying he's in league with the deep state. And it's not just DeSantis he's launching daily attacks on Republicans many of whom aren't even running for president. I'm just a guy on a message board, he's one of the most influential people on the planet, but I don't hear you saying he's just playing into dem hands with those insane attacks.

You are either voting for prog filth or not prog filth

(06-18-2023 10:02 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 09:40 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 08:50 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 07:31 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 06:34 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  We're in the primary and all people can discuss is it's Trump or some lefty. Nah republicans have a chance to nominate someone who isn't a habitual liar, someone who hasn't made such terrible pics for positions. Someone who hasn't expanded the debt more than Obama did.

Not to mention none of the Trumpers here ever get their panties in a wad when people say they would only vote for Trump. It's only the other way.

I have not heard a single person say they would only vote for Trump. You heard what you wanted to hear like a lot of never Trumpers.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-969123-page-1.html There's several in this thread. One who called DeSantis the enemy. One who said they couldn't see themselves voting for Desantis if he got the nod. They are both firm Trump supporters. It should be pretty familiar since you had several posts in that thread.

There was no posts talking about how it's either vote for the Republican nominee or it's a vote for the leftists from those who make such a big deal about on posts criticizing Trump.

In other threads where Trump supporters criticize Desantis. I don't see people saying that means they pretty much support a Biden win. It's only when you criticize Trump that people assume you will never vote for him. Because any tough criticisms of Trump somehow equates to a vote for Biden for some people.

I could find plenty of more posts if I spent hours crawling through threads. Because I have definitely seen plenty. That's certainly longer than I want to spend on this though. I just remember these specifically because I made that thread.

I have said and will repeat here that I will (if all remains the same) vote for Trump in the primary. He has been there. Knows the bad actors. Is the most hated republican candidate by the corrupt left. Has a base of new blood to put in positions where things can begin to be cleaned up. We have a solid bench of young republicans to appoint as a running mate if Trump wins the nomination. If he doesn’t I’ll vote for whoever the republican nominee is. I’ll hold my nose and vomit in my mouth if I have to vote for Christi or Hutchinson though. I’m pretty sure that has no chance of happening though.

Hate Trump all y’all want. Call those who will vote for him what you want. Lie that he got nothing done. Lie that he put no one good in positions in his administration. Lie he is a grifter all you want. Complain loudly that he never did the right things. But in the end you are helping the enemy. The side that never complains about their brain dead nominee. The side that will vote for anyone with the D by their names regardless of competence or moral integrity. Only republicans are willing to gladly lose because our nominee isn’t perfect. Only republicans argue that they will not vote for a republican nominee because it’s not their choice.

With this thinking we will get exactly what we deserve. Defeat.

He did a really bad job of identifying the bad actors the first time.

He appointed a lot of bad people. Sessions was a disaster. Tillerson was awful. He couldn't work with Trump as he had every bit as big an ego. Perry was an idiot. DeVos was an idiot. Christopher Wray was a big mistake, especially considering Trump already had experience with Comey.

Rush had inside information. I truly believe that. He said Trump told him he erroneously thought people in Washington would work with him because, after all, he won the election. He had no idea the amount of corrupt bureaucrats he would deal with. Rush also had inside info that they thought they could get him to resign in six weeks. It really set the dirty wheels spinning when he couldn’t be chased off.

As for the appointments. Imagine, as someone ask, you won the lotto and made a successful run for president. Who do you appoint to every position in your cabinet and staff. Hundreds of people. No outsider will have a good person for every post. What do you do. You take the advice of people who are insiders. Sessions was a career swamper like Biden but probably not as corrupt, all the same not willing to rock the boat with his Washington buddies. Most of the rest were egos who thought Trump’s an idiot. I’ll run this administration. When that didn’t work they got pissy because after all they were the smart ones.
As for covid it was an area Trump by his background had absolutely no experience in. He didn’t chose well there however I do believe the impeachment and the constant attacks by the MSM had him spooked a little by that time. He did initiate operation warp speed. I can’t imagine someone like Biden doing anything like that. Biden would have named a czar and created a committee to tackle the problem. Just like always and with a dozen people arguing what should be done it would have been, in my opinion, much worse.

Trump got much better near the end of his term with appointments like Grennell and Nunes. He made 75% excellent choices for the SCOTUS. That alone I believe makes his term a success.
Trump got 11,000,000 more votes after impeachment, constant ranting about him on every news show and network save one, lies from within the most trusted institutions in this country, leaks of classified information and phone calls to foreign leaders, stonewalling from intelligence agencies, lies of traitorous collusion, special counsel investigations, violent marxist rioting, military leadership withholding info and calling enemies without approval, prior administration officials having illegal meetings with hostile leaders, and on and on and on. Say what you want but he had a pretty good track record under the circumstances.

(06-18-2023 10:03 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 09:40 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 08:50 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 07:31 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 06:34 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  We're in the primary and all people can discuss is it's Trump or some lefty. Nah republicans have a chance to nominate someone who isn't a habitual liar, someone who hasn't made such terrible pics for positions. Someone who hasn't expanded the debt more than Obama did.

Not to mention none of the Trumpers here ever get their panties in a wad when people say they would only vote for Trump. It's only the other way.

I have not heard a single person say they would only vote for Trump. You heard what you wanted to hear like a lot of never Trumpers.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-969123-page-1.html There's several in this thread. One who called DeSantis the enemy. One who said they couldn't see themselves voting for Desantis if he got the nod. They are both firm Trump supporters. It should be pretty familiar since you had several posts in that thread.

There was no posts talking about how it's either vote for the Republican nominee or it's a vote for the leftists from those who make such a big deal about on posts criticizing Trump.

In other threads where Trump supporters criticize Desantis. I don't see people saying that means they pretty much support a Biden win. It's only when you criticize Trump that people assume you will never vote for him. Because any tough criticisms of Trump somehow equates to a vote for Biden for some people.

I could find plenty of more posts if I spent hours crawling through threads. Because I have definitely seen plenty. That's certainly longer than I want to spend on this though. I just remember these specifically because I made that thread.

I have said and will repeat here that I will (if all remains the same) vote for Trump in the primary. He has been there. Knows the bad actors. Is the most hated republican candidate by the corrupt left. Has a base of new blood to put in positions where things can begin to be cleaned up. We have a solid bench of young republicans to appoint as a running mate if Trump wins the nomination. If he doesn’t I’ll vote for whoever the republican nominee is. I’ll hold my nose and vomit in my mouth if I have to vote for Christi or Hutchinson though. I’m pretty sure that has no chance of happening though.

Hate Trump all y’all want. Call those who will vote for him what you want. Lie that he got nothing done. Lie that he put no one good in positions in his administration. Lie he is a grifter all you want. Complain loudly that he never did the right things. But in the end you are helping the enemy. The side that never complains about their brain dead nominee. The side that will vote for anyone with the D by their names regardless of competence or moral integrity. Only republicans are willing to gladly lose because our nominee isn’t perfect. Only republicans argue that they will not vote for a republican nominee because it’s not their choice.

With this thinking we will get exactly what we deserve. Defeat.

Never insulted Trump supporters just because they like Trump. Never called him a grifter. Never said he got nothing done. I've defended Trump in posts on this board. I've said I thought he did great with his Supreme court picks. I said the media has overinflated and downright made up many of their attacks on him. I know you saw those posts because you quoted me in a couple of them. Because while I defended him, I also had criticism for him in the same post. Which is not allowed it seems. That means I'm a Biden supporter or something.

Once again the issue is a lot of people here will only defend Trump. If another republican is attacked it's all quiet. If me attacking Trump is just playing into dem hands, what does that make Trump with his insane attacks on DeSantis saying he has pretty much the worst state in the U.S. or insinuating he's a pedophile, or saying he's in league with the deep state. And it's not just DeSantis he's launching daily attacks on Republicans many of whom aren't even running for president. I'm just a guy on a message board, he's one of the most influential people on the planet, but I don't hear you saying he's just playing into dem hands with those insane attacks.

Politics is dirty. No doubt Trump plays that way. I think he really does think DeSantis is not the guy. Probably because he has trouble building teams. This is not my speculation but what Florida congressmen and state politicians have said.
I’m not sure about DeSantis either. I lean more toward Scott at the moment. But we shall see. I’ll vote republican regardless because I’ve had enough of these corrupt marxist running things now.

(06-18-2023 10:06 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 09:49 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 09:29 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 08:50 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  Because any tough criticisms of Trump somehow equates to a vote for Biden for some people.

Any tough criticisms spark the equivalent of a maddened African killer bee swarm. Lol.

Except the African Killer Bees dont scream 'whadabout' nearly as loud.

You just don’t get it. Never will.

Criticize him all you want. AM does it constantly. But at least he gets it. You on the other hand buy into the corrupt DOJFBI cabal. That’s a totally different argument. Beat Trump in the primary or the general. Not with the club of the mighty DOJFBI by a corrupt president who is highly compromised and his highly partisan SCOTUS jilted AG.

Buzz buzz buzz buzz buzz.... I still want to know how anyone can consider a Top Secret document concerning US nuclear stances as "my document". You know, that question you so astutely avoid answering.

The interesting thing is the filter going on over there -- anything positive of Trump is 'gung ho head to the hills'. Anything negative is 'lies'.

You astutely avoid facts in that manner.

All you can say about anything factual in the MAL matter is 'you dont read that chit.'

So please stop with the holier than thou 'mighty DOJFBI' crap. I would prefer you deal with factual issues as opposed to veneer thin rhetorical garbage.

Oh, and I would prefer you maybe once or twice simply decide to converse by something more than butthurt name calling.

My position is simple as well. There are really no Dems I will vote for. I will vote for just about any Repub. Excepting Trump.

Just taking MAL for an example --

a) the first option is that the stated facts, or some good proportion in the indictment are true. In that case Trump is just exposing his common crook streak. And I will not vote for that.

b) given that Trump actively hid the documents, and lied to the investigators about the documents -- assume that wasnt ill intent. If not ill intent, it is the mark of a really stupid as fk person. In that case, instead of the off ramp of turning the docs over and letting the issue go its own way -- Trump handed the DOJ / FBI exactly the tool they needed to throw the book at him. Someone that irresponsible shouldnt be elected dog catcher, let alone re-elected President.

Thats just MAL. Wash rinse and repeat for 4 or 5 somewhat major issues that are ongoing, and may very well germinate soon.

At best, a walking incompetent train wreck, who blunders into vanity driven fk up to vanity driven fk up. At worst, a conniving dishonest huckster.

Not a great choice in my book.

Maybe reading comprehension is not your strong suit. Not a flame but just an observation.

Now to answer your probing question for the last time.

——-YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE DOCUMENT IS OR EVEN IF THERE IS ACTUALLY A DOCUMENT AT ALL——-

That’s as clear as I can make it.
If you do know please show us all. We all would love to know.
But you can’t. The “facts” you have are lines in a government indictment made by a demonstrably corrupt agency against the leading candidate of the opposing party. The same cabal who lied on multiple FISA warrants to spy on this same person. The same guy who just happens to know where a lot of bodies are buried and has promised to not miss the target this time. Yet you blindly follow because you are so angered and hateful you see no wrong doing in getting rid of Trump anyway possible.

(06-17-2023 06:13 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Well, EE.......7 years of non-stop B.S. allegations against the man do have an effect.

But continue on with your virtue signal.

You're not supposed to say that part out loud bud.

(06-17-2023 06:22 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 12:50 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 12:10 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 12:04 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 11:50 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Most people with above an 8th grade education readily identify the vast majority of the above as no more than opinion, or just rank speculation. and some statements simply false due to rank generalization.

Apparently you arent in that group able to discern that.

To be fair, your opinions suck too.

Apparently not so far to the 11th Circ. or SCOTUS in this issue. But, you be you.

And, at least I can easily recognize an issue of fact vs an issue of opinion. That seems to be stretch for some.

For example, that last sentence is an 'opinion'. While the one just before this sentence is a 'fact'. Basics like that should be important to discern. Have a wonderful day, Plankman

Fact is nobody here agrees with you, but Tommie Boi yet you continue the next chapter of War and Peace and have convinced no one.

Considering the level of 'I dont need to reed no chit' you have stated explicitly, I dont feel bad about what you denote above.

Bummer, I havent convinced a total ignorant who chooses not to read nor even consider anything that runs counter to his base thought process.

The funny part is your insistence on thinking responding to facts in testimony and facts in base documents are so coolly responded to with 7th grade name calling and taunting. All the while *bragging* that you "dont need to read that chit".

Awesome. Yeah, Im crushed, tell you *crushed* that you arent convinced...... Lolz.

Dammmnnn, pot meet kettle doesn't even begin to cover it.

(06-17-2023 06:43 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 05:24 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  Why are so many Trump supporters here pretending that the outcome of the trial actually matters to them in terms of whether Trump is innocent or guilty? If he is deemed guilty not one of his supporters here is going to change their mind and suddenly think, ya I guess Trump did do it. Pretty sure Trump could murder someone in broad daylight on camera and there would be many here who would think it was a deep state hit on Trump.

And yes the same goes for the other side. Most on the left think Trump is guilty whether he comes out innocent or not.

Very few will actually look at the facts displayed and decide for themselves. They already decided long before.

Let me try and explain my point of view.

1. We know laws have been broken, ignored and weaponized to get Trump by his political enemies. THAT IS NOT DEBATABLE!

2. We know Trump is pissed and he doesn’t take losing well. Some would say that’s a character flaw and I wouldn’t disagree.

3. Trump had documents at ML. All presidents keep papers for their library or as simple mementoes. We all agree on that I believe. All recent ex’s have had negotiations with NARA for the possession of some documents. In some cases (Barry) they did not get what they wanted yet rather agreed to let him store them. We don’t know what Trump had and will never know if they are what the DOJ says they are. Very convenient I would think.

4. The real effort to turn this into a criminal situation started after Trump announced his campaign for president.

5. Now for the difference with many here. This has not a damn thing to do with the man Donald Trump. It has everything to do with the survival of our country as one of and probably the only one in the world where politics and politicians cannot put their dirty little fingers on the scale of justice.
So I have come to the realization that whichever here is right, one can honestly burn the country down and one would have no effect on anything. I base that on the belief that whatever Trump had would not have endangered our democracy and what these political hacks have done is unprecedented and dangerous. It did not need to be done.

As a lawyer on TV said to someone he was sure had cheated in a case, "there's proving and then there's knowing".

Any idiot knows that the man was hounded relentlessly from day one.