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(05-30-2023 07:48 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote:  No to UConn. We already have enough yankee schools that don't care about football.

To be fair, I think Cure, Pitt and BC have done their best trying to improve their football program. But Yankees just don't have football bone in their body. Watch Cuse/Florida State game you would know what I mean.

The best Syracuse team will lose the worst Florida State team by 30 points.

To be fair, I don't consider Pitt to be a yankee school that doesn't care about football. They have it in them.

Syracuse cares about football. Hell we've had more regular season games with 4 million TV viewers in the last 10 years than any school but FSU and Clemson (tied with Miami for 3rd)

They are upgrading the Dome in several stages (approx $200M)
and are upgrading all Football operations center and other facilities. Cuse has to do many of these in stages. Private schools have to fundraise.
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(05-31-2023 08:51 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(05-31-2023 07:16 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote:  
(05-30-2023 08:11 PM)ArQ Wrote:  
(05-30-2023 07:48 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote:  No to UConn. We already have enough yankee schools that don't care about football.

To be fair, I think Cure, Pitt and BC have done their best trying to improve their football program. But Yankees just don't have football bone in their body. Watch Cuse/Florida State game you would know what I mean.

The best Syracuse team will lose the worst Florida State team by 30 points.

To be fair, I don't consider Pitt to be a yankee school that doesn't care about football. They have it in them.

Syracuse cares about football. Hell we've had more regular season games with 4 million TV viewers in the last 10 years than any school but FSU and Clemson (tied with Miami for 3rd)

They are upgrading the Dome in several stages (approx $200M)
and are upgrading all Football operations center and other facilities. Cuse has to do many of these in stages. Private schools have to fundraise.

How many of those games were vs FSU, Clemson and Notre Dame? Just curious.

And guess what...public schools have to raise funds as well. I know....I get asked for money daily (it seems).
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(05-31-2023 09:03 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote:  
(05-31-2023 08:51 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(05-31-2023 07:16 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote:  
(05-30-2023 08:11 PM)ArQ Wrote:  
(05-30-2023 07:48 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote:  No to UConn. We already have enough yankee schools that don't care about football.

To be fair, I think Cure, Pitt and BC have done their best trying to improve their football program. But Yankees just don't have football bone in their body. Watch Cuse/Florida State game you would know what I mean.

The best Syracuse team will lose the worst Florida State team by 30 points.

To be fair, I don't consider Pitt to be a yankee school that doesn't care about football. They have it in them.

Syracuse cares about football. Hell we've had more regular season games with 4 million TV viewers in the last 10 years than any school but FSU and Clemson (tied with Miami for 3rd)

They are upgrading the Dome in several stages (approx $200M)
and are upgrading all Football operations center and other facilities. Cuse has to do many of these in stages. Private schools have to fundraise.

How many of those games were vs FSU, Clemson and Notre Dame? Just curious.

And guess what...public schools have to raise funds as well. I know....I get asked for money daily (it seems).

Doesnt NC State, Louisville, Wake and BC have the same opportunities to play Clemson, FSU and ND the last 10 seasons? Why arent these other schools tied for 3rd instead of "that Yankee school that doesnt care about football?"
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(05-31-2023 09:21 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(05-31-2023 09:03 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote:  
(05-31-2023 08:51 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(05-31-2023 07:16 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote:  
(05-30-2023 08:11 PM)ArQ Wrote:  To be fair, I think Cure, Pitt and BC have done their best trying to improve their football program. But Yankees just don't have football bone in their body. Watch Cuse/Florida State game you would know what I mean.

The best Syracuse team will lose the worst Florida State team by 30 points.

To be fair, I don't consider Pitt to be a yankee school that doesn't care about football. They have it in them.

Syracuse cares about football. Hell we've had more regular season games with 4 million TV viewers in the last 10 years than any school but FSU and Clemson (tied with Miami for 3rd)

They are upgrading the Dome in several stages (approx $200M)
and are upgrading all Football operations center and other facilities. Cuse has to do many of these in stages. Private schools have to fundraise.

How many of those games were vs FSU, Clemson and Notre Dame? Just curious.

And guess what...public schools have to raise funds as well. I know....I get asked for money daily (it seems).

Doesnt NC State, Louisville, Wake and BC have the same opportunities to play Clemson, FSU and ND the last 10 seasons? Why arent these other schools tied for 3rd instead of "that Yankee school that doesnt care about football?"

I don't have the data before me but it seems Cuse has played ND more often than NCSU. And isn't ND more popular in the NE (yes) than say NC? So when Cuse and ND play, of course it's going draw more.

It's interesting that Cuse can draw those numbers but hardly fill up a small dome for football. Tells you the opponent's numbers are carrying their TV totals because Clemson and FSU routinely put in 75-80K in the stands at home.

Look...I dont have anything against Cuse. The NY market is big and helps with the ACCN which helps everyone in the conference.
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I looked at the last 10 years worth of games.

National telecasts - NBC, ABC, Fox, or ESPN are all that matter.

Syracuse has played in 27 such games, NC State 31.

Here is the tale of the tape:

Syracuse -

8 - Clemson
5 - Notre Dame and Florida State
1 - Penn State, MD, NC State, LSU, Louisville, Pitt, BC, Miami, UVa

NC State -

8 - Clemson
5 - UNC
4 - Florida State
2 - Notre Dame, VT, Louisville, and Wake Forest
1 - West Virginia, Miami, South Carolina, Syracuse, ECU, and BC

NC State lost two home games, one with West Virginia and one with Mississippi State over this span.

I don't think it matters.

NC State football schedules tend to be local/regional affairs. Games against big TV draws outside Clemson and FSU are rare. There is nothing special about Raleigh that can not be found with a traveling schools visit to Duke or UNC.

Syracuse on the other hand is upstate NY, and by extension NYC.

NC State COULD draw more television eyes but actively avoids it by who it schedules, the two weeks in October it refuses to play at home due to the North Carolina State Fair, and the strong demand not to kick off before 7PM in the month of September.

I don't think Syracuse is owed any football umbrage from the ACC. Now basketball - that's another matter but then again it will need to be someone other than NC State casting the basketball aspersions. 04-cheers
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ESPN games are not on par with OTA games. Not ever.

ND is always going to be on either ABC and NBC for obvious reasons.
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(05-31-2023 09:30 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote:  
(05-31-2023 09:21 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(05-31-2023 09:03 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote:  
(05-31-2023 08:51 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(05-31-2023 07:16 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote:  To be fair, I don't consider Pitt to be a yankee school that doesn't care about football. They have it in them.

Syracuse cares about football. Hell we've had more regular season games with 4 million TV viewers in the last 10 years than any school but FSU and Clemson (tied with Miami for 3rd)

They are upgrading the Dome in several stages (approx $200M)
and are upgrading all Football operations center and other facilities. Cuse has to do many of these in stages. Private schools have to fundraise.

How many of those games were vs FSU, Clemson and Notre Dame? Just curious.

And guess what...public schools have to raise funds as well. I know....I get asked for money daily (it seems).

Doesnt NC State, Louisville, Wake and BC have the same opportunities to play Clemson, FSU and ND the last 10 seasons? Why arent these other schools tied for 3rd instead of "that Yankee school that doesnt care about football?"

I don't have the data before me but it seems Cuse has played ND more often than NCSU. And isn't ND more popular in the NE (yes) than say NC? So when Cuse and ND play, of course it's going draw more.

It's interesting that Cuse can draw those numbers but hardly fill up a small dome for football. Tells you the opponent's numbers are carrying their TV totals because Clemson and FSU routinely put in 75-80K in the stands at home.

Look...I dont have anything against Cuse. The NY market is big and helps with the ACCN which helps everyone in the conference.

Im pretty sure ND/Syracuse has not had 4 million tv viewers the last 10 years in question. Im not 100% but I would be shocked if they did. Last season the ND/Syracuse game drew less than 2.4 million vierwers. Even in 2018 when Syracuse went 10-3 and ND went 12-1, that game between those teams drew less than 2.9 million tv viewers. So we can put to rest the argument that SU plays ND more and thats why SU has more 4 million plus viewed games. ND is no magic formula to guarantee great tv ratings.

And the reason that SU has trouble filling the Dome lately is because there has been an inconsistent bad product on the field. If you live in the Carolinas, you know how many transplanted NYers are there. You can probably multiply those numbers by 3 to figure out how many transplanted NYers live in Florida. The mass migration plus the bad product on the field and thats why SU has trouble filling the Dome. For the same resons, even SU basketball has been hurt in the attendance area lately.
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(05-31-2023 10:27 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(05-31-2023 09:30 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote:  
(05-31-2023 09:21 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  
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(05-31-2023 08:51 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Syracuse cares about football. Hell we've had more regular season games with 4 million TV viewers in the last 10 years than any school but FSU and Clemson (tied with Miami for 3rd)

They are upgrading the Dome in several stages (approx $200M)
and are upgrading all Football operations center and other facilities. Cuse has to do many of these in stages. Private schools have to fundraise.

How many of those games were vs FSU, Clemson and Notre Dame? Just curious.

And guess what...public schools have to raise funds as well. I know....I get asked for money daily (it seems).

Doesnt NC State, Louisville, Wake and BC have the same opportunities to play Clemson, FSU and ND the last 10 seasons? Why arent these other schools tied for 3rd instead of "that Yankee school that doesnt care about football?"

I don't have the data before me but it seems Cuse has played ND more often than NCSU. And isn't ND more popular in the NE (yes) than say NC? So when Cuse and ND play, of course it's going draw more.

It's interesting that Cuse can draw those numbers but hardly fill up a small dome for football. Tells you the opponent's numbers are carrying their TV totals because Clemson and FSU routinely put in 75-80K in the stands at home.

Look...I dont have anything against Cuse. The NY market is big and helps with the ACCN which helps everyone in the conference.

Im pretty sure ND/Syracuse has not had 4 million tv viewers the last 10 years in question. Im not 100% but I would be shocked if they did. Last season the ND/Syracuse game drew less than 2.4 million vierwers. Even in 2018 when Syracuse went 10-3 and ND went 12-1, that game between those teams drew less than 2.9 million tv viewers. So we can put to rest the argument that SU plays ND more and thats why SU has more 4 million plus viewed games. ND is no magic formula to guarantee great tv ratings.

And the reason that SU has trouble filling the Dome lately is because there has been an inconsistent bad product on the field. If you live in the Carolinas, you know how many transplanted NYers are there. You can probably multiply those numbers by 3 to figure out how many transplanted NYers live in Florida. The mass migration plus the bad product on the field and thats why SU has trouble filling the Dome. For the same resons, even SU basketball has been hurt in the attendance area lately.

I agree with this for sure.

As an aside, and this isn't really a Cuse thing, when comparing ratings one must also consider what is on in the same time slot. For example, if ND and Cuse/anyone is on at 3pm on ABC and Bama vs Tenn is on CBS at 330, then that ND game is gonna be light in terms of ratings.

I always get a kick out of people throwing around numbers because there are so many variables. Another example is last year's NCSU vs UNC (to use NCSU as an example). It was the only game on at the time (black friday) so those numbers are going to be inflated.
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Now the media is speculating about Gonzaga and UConn to the B12 again. My guess is that ASU and Utah are off the table for the B12.

Would ASU and Utah join the ACC at $25 million? Say the average ACC media money is about $36 million between 2025-2030. Then the ACC would be able to pocket the difference, which is $11 million. Also, if the ACC invited a G5 school and give it a half share, then the profit for the ACC would be $18 million.

Let’s say the ACC gets ASU, Utah, SMU and Tulane (or UConn) then the total additional profit would be $11+$11+$18+$18= $58. That would mean slightly more than $4 million increase for each ACC member.

If only G5 team the ACC would take is SMU, then the ACC gets ASU, Utah, Colorado and SMU. The additional money would be $11+$11+$11+$18=$51. This would be about $3.5 million increase for existing schools.
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(05-31-2023 12:30 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  Now the media is speculating about Gonzaga and UConn to the B12 again. My guess is that ASU and Utah are off the table for the B12.

Would ASU and Utah join the ACC at $25 million? Say the average ACC media money is about $36 million between 2025-2030. Then the ACC would be able to pocket the difference, which is $11 million. Also, if the ACC invited a G5 school and give it a half share, then the profit for the ACC would be $18 million.

Let’s say the ACC gets ASU, Utah, SMU and Tulane (or UConn) then the total additional profit would be $11+$11+$18+$18= $58. That would mean slightly more than $4 million increase for each ACC member.

If only G5 team the ACC would take is SMU, then the ACC gets ASU, Utah, Colorado and SMU. The additional money would be $11+$11+$11+$18=$51. This would be about $3.5 million increase for existing schools.

Not to mention the ACCN revenue. However, I wouid not mess around with new members money, you’re going to want them to stick around and not side with the m7. Between the new guys and keeping post season earnings, the bump in pay could possibly be adequate.
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(05-31-2023 10:27 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  
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(05-31-2023 08:51 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Syracuse cares about football. Hell we've had more regular season games with 4 million TV viewers in the last 10 years than any school but FSU and Clemson (tied with Miami for 3rd)

They are upgrading the Dome in several stages (approx $200M)
and are upgrading all Football operations center and other facilities. Cuse has to do many of these in stages. Private schools have to fundraise.

How many of those games were vs FSU, Clemson and Notre Dame? Just curious.

And guess what...public schools have to raise funds as well. I know....I get asked for money daily (it seems).

Doesnt NC State, Louisville, Wake and BC have the same opportunities to play Clemson, FSU and ND the last 10 seasons? Why arent these other schools tied for 3rd instead of "that Yankee school that doesnt care about football?"

I don't have the data before me but it seems Cuse has played ND more often than NCSU. And isn't ND more popular in the NE (yes) than say NC? So when Cuse and ND play, of course it's going draw more.

It's interesting that Cuse can draw those numbers but hardly fill up a small dome for football. Tells you the opponent's numbers are carrying their TV totals because Clemson and FSU routinely put in 75-80K in the stands at home.

Look...I dont have anything against Cuse. The NY market is big and helps with the ACCN which helps everyone in the conference.

Im pretty sure ND/Syracuse has not had 4 million tv viewers the last 10 years in question. Im not 100% but I would be shocked if they did. Last season the ND/Syracuse game drew less than 2.4 million vierwers. Even in 2018 when Syracuse went 10-3 and ND went 12-1, that game between those teams drew less than 2.9 million tv viewers. So we can put to rest the argument that SU plays ND more and thats why SU has more 4 million plus viewed games. ND is no magic formula to guarantee great tv ratings.

And the reason that SU has trouble filling the Dome lately is because there has been an inconsistent bad product on the field. If you live in the Carolinas, you know how many transplanted NYers are there. You can probably multiply those numbers by 3 to figure out how many transplanted NYers live in Florida. The mass migration plus the bad product on the field and thats why SU has trouble filling the Dome. For the same resons, even SU basketball has been hurt in the attendance area lately.

4.05M Notre Dame/Syracuse

There was one four million plus viewer game involving ND v. Syracuse in the past ten years.
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(05-31-2023 08:51 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(05-31-2023 10:27 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(05-31-2023 09:30 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote:  
(05-31-2023 09:21 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(05-31-2023 09:03 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote:  How many of those games were vs FSU, Clemson and Notre Dame? Just curious.

And guess what...public schools have to raise funds as well. I know....I get asked for money daily (it seems).

Doesnt NC State, Louisville, Wake and BC have the same opportunities to play Clemson, FSU and ND the last 10 seasons? Why arent these other schools tied for 3rd instead of "that Yankee school that doesnt care about football?"

I don't have the data before me but it seems Cuse has played ND more often than NCSU. And isn't ND more popular in the NE (yes) than say NC? So when Cuse and ND play, of course it's going draw more.

It's interesting that Cuse can draw those numbers but hardly fill up a small dome for football. Tells you the opponent's numbers are carrying their TV totals because Clemson and FSU routinely put in 75-80K in the stands at home.

Look...I dont have anything against Cuse. The NY market is big and helps with the ACCN which helps everyone in the conference.

Im pretty sure ND/Syracuse has not had 4 million tv viewers the last 10 years in question. Im not 100% but I would be shocked if they did. Last season the ND/Syracuse game drew less than 2.4 million vierwers. Even in 2018 when Syracuse went 10-3 and ND went 12-1, that game between those teams drew less than 2.9 million tv viewers. So we can put to rest the argument that SU plays ND more and thats why SU has more 4 million plus viewed games. ND is no magic formula to guarantee great tv ratings.

And the reason that SU has trouble filling the Dome lately is because there has been an inconsistent bad product on the field. If you live in the Carolinas, you know how many transplanted NYers are there. You can probably multiply those numbers by 3 to figure out how many transplanted NYers live in Florida. The mass migration plus the bad product on the field and thats why SU has trouble filling the Dome. For the same resons, even SU basketball has been hurt in the attendance area lately.

4.05M Notre Dame/Syracuse

There was one four million plus viewer game involving ND v. Syracuse in the past ten years.

Interesting. What year was that?
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The Dome seats a tad under 50K. Not huge but not small either. Sadly the side that is much fuller is the one not normally shown on TV. Last year attendance was around 40-41K. I've been to enough ACC stadiums to realize Cuse is no worse than some others. Lots of empty seats all over. Our silver bench seats just show it more easily.

Ofcourse many forget Cuse doubles or triples hoops attendance...for 20+ home games over some of the magnificent 7. Ticket prices aren't cheap either. That generates a lot of revenue. Frankly a lot of Cuse animus is ridiculous and provincial based.
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(05-31-2023 10:12 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  The Dome seats a tad under 50K. Not huge but not small either. Sadly the side that is much fuller is the one not normally shown on TV. Last year attendance was around 40-41K. I've been to enough ACC stadiums to realize Cuse is no worse than some others. Lots of empty seats all over. Our silver bench seats just show it more easily.

Ofcourse many forget Cuse doubles or triples hoops attendance...for 20+ home games over some of the magnificent 7. Ticket prices aren't cheap either. That generates a lot of revenue. Frankly a lot of Cuse animus is ridiculous and provincial based.

All started by a "fan" pretending to be one of us.
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(05-31-2023 10:12 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  The Dome seats a tad under 50K. Not huge but not small either. Sadly the side that is much fuller is the one not normally shown on TV. Last year attendance was around 40-41K. I've been to enough ACC stadiums to realize Cuse is no worse than some others. Lots of empty seats all over. Our silver bench seats just show it more easily.

Two easy fixes:
1. Set up the cameras on the other side.
2. paint the benches (in camera view) orange.

You're welcome.
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I think B1G will take Florida St and Miami next after taking UCLA and USC. Compared to USCLA duo, Florida St and Miami are neighbors. After taking Florida State and Miami, B1G will take ACC schools two by two in no particular orders.

1. UNC and Duke.
2. Virginia and VA Tech.
3. Clemson and GA Tech.
4. Louisville and Syracuse.

This is about expansion of footprint, not based on performance. So Duke and Syracuse get lucky like Rutgers and Maryland did.

B1G will take more PAC12 schools during the process of absorbing ACC:

5. Utah and Colorado.
6. Oregon and Washington.
7. Cal-Berkeley and Stanford.

SEC will react by taking ACC schools B1G want, like Clemson and VA Tech, also SEC will target some Big 12 schools like Kansas, Kansas St, Cincinnati and Houston.

If B1G can successfully execute their expansion plan without SEC interruption, I think they will expand to 32. Otherwise, they will stop at 28. The luck 31th and 32th will be UConn and Boston College for expanding to two more states. One more thing, if Notre Dame changed their mind and wants to join B1G, Notre Dame will take Boston College's spot. It could be UConn, but I think UConn gets the last spot because of their latest championship of men's basketball.
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(06-01-2023 07:22 AM)ArQ Wrote:  I think B1G will take Florida St and Miami next after taking UCLA and USC. Compared to USCLA duo, Florida St and Miami are neighbors. After taking Florida State and Miami, B1G will take ACC schools two by two in no particular orders.

1. UNC and Duke.
2. Virginia and VA Tech.
3. Clemson and GA Tech.
4. Louisville and Syracuse.

This is about expansion of footprint, not based on performance. So Duke and Syracuse get lucky like Rutgers and Maryland did.

B1G will take more PAC12 schools during the process of absorbing ACC:

5. Utah and Colorado.
6. Oregon and Washington.
7. Cal-Berkeley and Stanford.

SEC will react by taking ACC schools B1G want, like Clemson and VA Tech, also SEC will target some Big 12 schools like Kansas, Kansas St, Cincinnati and Houston.

Unlikely. The Big Ten snagged nearly every TV network slot already. Where will the money come from to buy more teams?
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I wonder if the whole money thing eventually becomes irrelevant. The most important thing is to monopolize the best brands and go from there.
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(06-01-2023 08:21 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I wonder if the whole money thing eventually becomes irrelevant. The most important thing is to monopolize the best brands and go from there.

The supply of money is dwindling, the PAC saga is an example of things to come for the rest of us.
You won't see any more additions in the PAC and SEC until some of the bottom feeders either agree to take less or move to another conference and make room for someone else.
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(06-01-2023 07:29 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(06-01-2023 07:22 AM)ArQ Wrote:  I think B1G will take Florida St and Miami next after taking UCLA and USC. Compared to USCLA duo, Florida St and Miami are neighbors. After taking Florida State and Miami, B1G will take ACC schools two by two in no particular orders.

1. UNC and Duke.
2. Virginia and VA Tech.
3. Clemson and GA Tech.
4. Louisville and Syracuse.

This is about expansion of footprint, not based on performance. So Duke and Syracuse get lucky like Rutgers and Maryland did.

B1G will take more PAC12 schools during the process of absorbing ACC:

5. Utah and Colorado.
6. Oregon and Washington.
7. Cal-Berkeley and Stanford.

SEC will react by taking ACC schools B1G want, like Clemson and VA Tech, also SEC will target some Big 12 schools like Kansas, Kansas St, Cincinnati and Houston.

Unlikely. The Big Ten snagged nearly every TV network slot already. Where will the money come from to buy more teams?

What was originally hypothesized was that the B1G could take 2-4 Pac12 schools at a discount and get a streaming deal for their worst performing teams. Since then however, the streaming deals have proved hard to come by as now suddenly wall street is demanding that the streaming services show a profit.

So like you said, Where will the money come from?
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