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(05-15-2023 10:05 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Georgia Tech. I'd like to see Georgia Tech round out any ACC additions. They were in the old "Metro Conference" with UC and UL and would give UCF a regional partner if Miami were not part of the deal.

Pitt
BC
Louisville
GaTech

That'd be a solid core to build off of.

I don't think ACC going anywhere for a while, but I would be all in on the above.
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Question for UCF folks….
If the B12 gets commitments from 3 western schools and we decide to add an eastern school (which makes for a nice 4x4 pod set up), would you rather have Memphis or USF?
In this hypothetical, that’s your only choices.
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(05-24-2023 11:54 AM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  Question for UCF folks….
If the B12 gets commitments from 3 western schools and we decide to add an eastern school (which makes for a nice 4x4 pod set up), would you rather have Memphis or USF?
In this hypothetical, that’s your only choices.

Memphis. Ask again in 10 years, though. If usf can manage to not let FAU surpass them in state, and exceeds expectations then maybe, but the Big 12 gains nothing by elevating a 5th Florida school that is destined for dead weight. Memphis at least has just as much, if not more history with UCF, UC, Louisville, etc. as usf as well.
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I cannot see the B12 adding anyone that will cost members $$$.

Memphis, SDSU and USF are improving or adding facilities. Too little to late to yield results soon.

In FB Boise has the most cache.

The realignment is in the hands of BIG and B12 if the P12 cannot get a good TV deal.
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(05-24-2023 04:18 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  
(05-24-2023 11:54 AM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  Question for UCF folks….
If the B12 gets commitments from 3 western schools and we decide to add an eastern school (which makes for a nice 4x4 pod set up), would you rather have Memphis or USF?
In this hypothetical, that’s your only choices.

Memphis. Ask again in 10 years, though. If usf can manage to not let FAU surpass them in state, and exceeds expectations then maybe, but the Big 12 gains nothing by elevating a 5th Florida school that is destined for dead weight. Memphis at least has just as much, if not more history with UCF, UC, Louisville, etc. as usf as well.

Agreed, in the long term my answer is USF since when both teams are good it can be quite a rivalry. In the first round of post UT/OU expansion, however, the B12 took what were clearly 3 of the top 4 teams since the AAC's inception (with the other being Memphis). Meanwhile, USF has a total of one FBS win over the last 3 years (3-9 Temple in 2021 being the one) and I'm don't think that their selection would be a good look for the conference right now. Let them build their stadium and win some games and I'll be all for their inclusion down the road.
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I think Pitt and Louisville would be great for the league and especially for WVU and Cinci.
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(05-25-2023 10:19 AM)maybeimhere Wrote:  I think Pitt and Louisville would be great for the league and especially for WVU and Cinci.

yep. drivable games for the fans - would hopefully get some rivalry vibe going.
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B1G to 24: California, Duke, Georgia Tech, Notre Dame, Oregon, Stanford, Virginia, Washington
SEC to 24: Clemson, Colorado, Florida St, Kansas, Miami, North Carolina, North Carolina St, Virginia Tech
XII to 24: (- Kansas) Arizona, Arizona St, Boston College, Louisville, Memphis, Oregon St, Pittsburgh, San Diego St, South Florida, Syracuse, Utah, Wake Forest, Washington St

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XXIV
Central: Baylor, BYU, Iowa St, Kansas St, Oklahoma St, Texas Tech
East: Boston College, Cincinnati, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia
South: Central Florida, Houston, Memphis, South Florida, TCU, Wake Forest
West: Arizona, Arizona St, Oregon St, San Diego St, Utah, Washington St
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If the Big 10 and SEC got to 24, I think the Big 12 should aim to match.

I think the goal for Big 12 expansion should be establishing a national footprint but also creating sensible divisions for ease of travel and to capitalize on existing rivalries.

3 x 8 or 4 x 6 seem the most probable.

For 3 x 8 it’s pretty simple. Iowa St/K St/Kansas/Okla St/TCU/Baylor/Tech/Houston are your Central Division. BYU + 7 West Coast programs are your West. The East is UCF/Cincy/WVU + 5 from the ACC/USF/UConn.

4 x 6 gets a little tricky because you’ve got that great group of 8 right in the middle. A couple historical Big 8 or SWC schools would end up separated from their old foes. I suppose you could
flip that around and make it 6 pods of 4.

My take on 3 x 8, mins you, this would be subject to availability:

West: Wash St, Ore St, Utah, BYU, Arizona, Ariz St, Colorado, SDSU

Central: Iowa St, Kansas St, Kansas, Okla St, TCU, Tech, Baylor, Houston

East: Syracuse, BC, Pitt, WVU, Cincy, Louisville, UCF, GT

I feel like the Secret 7 will all be unavailable. This just leaves Duke and WF unaffiliated.
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duke over bc by a considerable stretch
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(05-25-2023 10:19 AM)maybeimhere Wrote:  I think Pitt and Louisville would be great for the league and especially for WVU and Cinci.
And there’s the reason I asked about USF. Being on an island away from rivals never bothered me much so I assumed that’s the way it was with the rest of the WVU fan base. Womp Womp Wrong. I’m in the minority. And it’s not really close.
So I think one of the main focal points in any eastern expansion, should be getting another school in UCFs neck of the woods. (Wait… y’all have woods down there?) I think USF fits the bill. I don’t see any other good candidates close to y’all that are realistic or not locked up in the ACC for another decade. But if y’all wanna be on an island for a while, I get it.
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(06-01-2023 05:48 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  
(05-25-2023 10:19 AM)maybeimhere Wrote:  I think Pitt and Louisville would be great for the league and especially for WVU and Cinci.
And there’s the reason I asked about USF. Being on an island away from rivals never bothered me much so I assumed that’s the way it was with the rest of the WVU fan base. Womp Womp Wrong. I’m in the minority. And it’s not really close.
So I think one of the main focal points in any eastern expansion, should be getting another school in UCFs neck of the woods. (Wait… y’all have woods down there?) I think USF fits the bill. I don’t see any other good candidates close to y’all that are realistic or not locked up in the ACC for another decade. But if y’all wanna be on an island for a while, I get it.

Yeah it makes sense. The only other options depending on future events are Georgia Tech and at the very outside chance, Miami?
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RE: An Eastern Big XII flank
(05-24-2023 11:54 AM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  Question for UCF folks….
If the B12 gets commitments from 3 western schools and we decide to add an eastern school (which makes for a nice 4x4 pod set up), would you rather have Memphis or USF?
In this hypothetical, that’s your only choices.

Personally I have mixed feelings, Memphis has better BB, and that won't change and more success in FB right now. If USF gets stadium done, and could make a good coach hire, there is no reason they couldn't be a powerhouse. Everything else is in place there.
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Assuming no ACC programs are available, in order of preference

1. UConn: (excellent BB, bad FB; like Kansas), flagship program, good market.
2. USF: good market, good potential, AAU, travel partner (low priority, just a notation)
3. Memphis
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Lots of synergies in this 20(21)-team structure:

Iowa State-Kansas-Kansas State-Oklahoma State
TCU-Baylor-Texas Tech-Houston
BYU-Arizona-Colorado-one of ASU/Utah/SDSU (plus Gonzaga)

Louisville-Cincinnati-WVU-Pitt
Syracuse-UConn
UCF-USF

That's a national conference that allows for the full spread of kickoffs and tipoffs and interesting cross-sectional, national matchups, but also sets up strong regional groupings to foster rivalries, viewership, and fan engagement.
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If and that is a big if, B12 goes east for a school, I think UCONN is the likely target. ACC isn't going anywhere for a while. Uconn fits the BB model to a T, maybe 15 to 20 mil all in for next tv deal. Still think have to wait on Pac first.
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(06-05-2023 11:19 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  If and that is a big if, B12 goes east for a school, I think UCONN is the likely target. ACC isn't going anywhere for a while. Uconn fits the BB model to a T, maybe 15 to 20 mil all in for next tv deal. Still think have to wait on Pac first.

UCONN is a cancer for any conference, and would be a huge mistake for the BXII.
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(06-05-2023 11:19 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  If and that is a big if, B12 goes east for a school, I think UCONN is the likely target. ACC isn't going anywhere for a while. Uconn fits the BB model to a T, maybe 15 to 20 mil all in for next tv deal. Still think have to wait on Pac first.

Go west young conference. Why east? Candidates:

UGonn - Good BB but FB stadium 20 miles away. Historically bad FB and FB drives the bus.

ECU - Once had good FB, never has had much BB success.

Temple - Plays in 75% empty Lincoln Field. BB occasionally good. FB drives the bus.

USF - Lots of potential with new FB stadium. Potential means they have not done it yet.

Go west get CO, AZ and perhaps ASU and one of UT/SDSU/BSU
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(06-06-2023 05:44 AM)doss2 Wrote:  
(06-05-2023 11:19 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  If and that is a big if, B12 goes east for a school, I think UCONN is the likely target. ACC isn't going anywhere for a while. Uconn fits the BB model to a T, maybe 15 to 20 mil all in for next tv deal. Still think have to wait on Pac first.

Go west young conference. Why east? Candidates:

UGonn - Good BB but FB stadium 20 miles away. Historically bad FB and FB drives the bus.

ECU - Once had good FB, never has had much BB success.

Temple - Plays in 75% empty Lincoln Field. BB occasionally good. FB drives the bus.

USF - Lots of potential with new FB stadium. Potential means they have not done it yet.

Go west get CO, AZ and perhaps ASU and one of UT/SDSU/BSU

I 100% agree West is where we need to look today. If B12 looks east "soon" not saying they will or should. UCONN BB is a major get. Who else out there has that kind of resume. Probably the best womans BB in the country as a bonus. FB would be a drag, No football would be best way to add them, but I don't know if they would or should take that deal.
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(06-06-2023 02:24 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  
(06-05-2023 11:19 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  If and that is a big if, B12 goes east for a school, I think UCONN is the likely target. ACC isn't going anywhere for a while. Uconn fits the BB model to a T, maybe 15 to 20 mil all in for next tv deal. Still think have to wait on Pac first.

UCONN is a cancer for any conference, and would be a huge mistake for the BXII.

agree 100% -uconn is a poison
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