(05-24-2023 10:13 PM)2021 Tiger Football!! Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 09:03 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(05-24-2023 05:37 PM)hk25 Wrote:  It appears the source that led to the article was a coach in the B12, so take it with a huge grain of salt.

So far no one has claimed to have heard anything from anyone associated with Colorado.

All the usual Big XII outlets are quoting each other to substantiate their story.

It’s nearly a done deal. Pac 10 is imploding.

Oregon, Washington, Cal, and Stanford are all still bigger brands than any school in the Big 12.

Today's rumor is the PAC deal will be about $20 million per school. BigXII is $10 million more.

If that's true, some of these schools will jump.

This is not good for us in the short term. Long term? Who knows?

(05-25-2023 08:15 AM)Claw Wrote:  Today's rumor is the PAC deal will be about $20 million per school. BigXII is $10 million more.

If that's true, some of these schools will jump.

This is not good for us in the short term. Long term? Who knows?

Do you realize how many hundreds of rumors there have been from big names? The Big12 is playing a media game to try and destabilize the PAC, but in reality they are going to get the same money. PAC schools are only jumping if Washington/Oregon leave. No school is going to pay an exit fee to make the same money while going to play schools in the middle of nowhere.

(05-25-2023 08:26 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 08:15 AM)Claw Wrote:  Today's rumor is the PAC deal will be about $20 million per school. BigXII is $10 million more.

If that's true, some of these schools will jump.

This is not good for us in the short term. Long term? Who knows?

Do you realize how many hundreds of rumors there have been from big names? The Big12 is playing a media game to try and destabilize the PAC, but in reality they are going to get the same money. PAC schools are only jumping if Washington/Oregon leave. No school is going to pay an exit fee to make the same money while going to play schools in the middle of nowhere.

Actually we don't know what the PAC media deal is going to total. That's the reason for so much speculation. It is clear that interested OTA options have not yielded a contract total equal or exceeding the B12 deal with USC/UCLA gone. Also clear is that the PAC has been attempting to negotiate their next deal since before the B12 signed their next deal which makes it obvious it is not what the PAC schools want. Also clear is that UO & UW both want a B1G invite & as such won't sign a GOR either with the PAC going forward. That alone lowers the value of any PAC deal. So making an unequivocal statement that no PAC schools are moving to the B12 unless UO/UW move to the PAC is likely just as speculative. Why would other PAC schools who might be comfortable in the B12 wait for UO/UW to get a B1G invite? That would only lower their media value leverage if those 2 schools announce they are leaving first. Further the current PAC deal ends next summer & if the first move is UO/UW, where does that leave the 4 corners schools except further diminished in value? That's why a move now makes sense & is being speculated. And unfortunately such a move shuts the door on our prospects for likely several years.

(05-25-2023 08:48 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 08:26 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 08:15 AM)Claw Wrote:  Today's rumor is the PAC deal will be about $20 million per school. BigXII is $10 million more.

If that's true, some of these schools will jump.

This is not good for us in the short term. Long term? Who knows?

Do you realize how many hundreds of rumors there have been from big names? The Big12 is playing a media game to try and destabilize the PAC, but in reality they are going to get the same money. PAC schools are only jumping if Washington/Oregon leave. No school is going to pay an exit fee to make the same money while going to play schools in the middle of nowhere.

Actually we don't know what the PAC media deal is going to total. That's the reason for so much speculation. It is clear that interested OTA options have not yielded a contract total equal or exceeding the B12 deal with USC/UCLA gone. Also clear is that the PAC has been attempting to negotiate their next deal since before the B12 signed their next deal which makes it obvious it is not what the PAC schools want. Also clear is that UO & UW both want a B1G invite & as such won't sign a GOR either with the PAC going forward. That alone lowers the value of any PAC deal. So making an unequivocal statement that no PAC schools are moving to the B12 unless UO/UW move to the PAC is likely just as speculative. Why would other PAC schools who might be comfortable in the B12 wait for UO/UW to get a B1G invite? That would only lower their media value leverage if those 2 schools announce they are leaving first. Further the current PAC deal ends next summer & if the first move is UO/UW, where does that leave the 4 corners schools except further diminished in value? That's why a move now makes sense & is being speculated. And unfortunately such a move shuts the door on our prospects for likely several years.

No idea why you typed all of that just to say nothing. No school leaves the PAC for the same money which is what they almost certainly are going to get.

(05-25-2023 08:53 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 08:48 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 08:26 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 08:15 AM)Claw Wrote:  Today's rumor is the PAC deal will be about $20 million per school. BigXII is $10 million more.

If that's true, some of these schools will jump.

This is not good for us in the short term. Long term? Who knows?

Do you realize how many hundreds of rumors there have been from big names? The Big12 is playing a media game to try and destabilize the PAC, but in reality they are going to get the same money. PAC schools are only jumping if Washington/Oregon leave. No school is going to pay an exit fee to make the same money while going to play schools in the middle of nowhere.

Actually we don't know what the PAC media deal is going to total. That's the reason for so much speculation. It is clear that interested OTA options have not yielded a contract total equal or exceeding the B12 deal with USC/UCLA gone. Also clear is that the PAC has been attempting to negotiate their next deal since before the B12 signed their next deal which makes it obvious it is not what the PAC schools want. Also clear is that UO & UW both want a B1G invite & as such won't sign a GOR either with the PAC going forward. That alone lowers the value of any PAC deal. So making an unequivocal statement that no PAC schools are moving to the B12 unless UO/UW move to the PAC is likely just as speculative. Why would other PAC schools who might be comfortable in the B12 wait for UO/UW to get a B1G invite? That would only lower their media value leverage if those 2 schools announce they are leaving first. Further the current PAC deal ends next summer & if the first move is UO/UW, where does that leave the 4 corners schools except further diminished in value? That's why a move now makes sense & is being speculated. And unfortunately such a move shuts the door on our prospects for likely several years.

No idea why you typed all of that just to say nothing. No school leaves the PAC for the same money which is what they almost certainly are going to get.

Then why isn't the deal done? PAC said it would be done in March. UO/UW won't sign a GOR. Howare they going to get the same money without USC/UCLA & no GOR?

(05-25-2023 08:56 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 08:53 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 08:48 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 08:26 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 08:15 AM)Claw Wrote:  Today's rumor is the PAC deal will be about $20 million per school. BigXII is $10 million more.

If that's true, some of these schools will jump.

This is not good for us in the short term. Long term? Who knows?

Do you realize how many hundreds of rumors there have been from big names? The Big12 is playing a media game to try and destabilize the PAC, but in reality they are going to get the same money. PAC schools are only jumping if Washington/Oregon leave. No school is going to pay an exit fee to make the same money while going to play schools in the middle of nowhere.

Actually we don't know what the PAC media deal is going to total. That's the reason for so much speculation. It is clear that interested OTA options have not yielded a contract total equal or exceeding the B12 deal with USC/UCLA gone. Also clear is that the PAC has been attempting to negotiate their next deal since before the B12 signed their next deal which makes it obvious it is not what the PAC schools want. Also clear is that UO & UW both want a B1G invite & as such won't sign a GOR either with the PAC going forward. That alone lowers the value of any PAC deal. So making an unequivocal statement that no PAC schools are moving to the B12 unless UO/UW move to the PAC is likely just as speculative. Why would other PAC schools who might be comfortable in the B12 wait for UO/UW to get a B1G invite? That would only lower their media value leverage if those 2 schools announce they are leaving first. Further the current PAC deal ends next summer & if the first move is UO/UW, where does that leave the 4 corners schools except further diminished in value? That's why a move now makes sense & is being speculated. And unfortunately such a move shuts the door on our prospects for likely several years.

No idea why you typed all of that just to say nothing. No school leaves the PAC for the same money which is what they almost certainly are going to get.

Then why isn't the deal done? PAC said it would be done in March. UO/UW won't sign a GOR. Howare they going to get the same money without USC/UCLA & no GOR?

Really bought in to the Big12 talking points huh? Oregon/Washington are by far the biggest brands left in either conference. No school leaves until they do. I don't get why people are trying to make this more complicated than it is.

(05-25-2023 09:01 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 08:56 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 08:53 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 08:48 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 08:26 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  Do you realize how many hundreds of rumors there have been from big names? The Big12 is playing a media game to try and destabilize the PAC, but in reality they are going to get the same money. PAC schools are only jumping if Washington/Oregon leave. No school is going to pay an exit fee to make the same money while going to play schools in the middle of nowhere.

Actually we don't know what the PAC media deal is going to total. That's the reason for so much speculation. It is clear that interested OTA options have not yielded a contract total equal or exceeding the B12 deal with USC/UCLA gone. Also clear is that the PAC has been attempting to negotiate their next deal since before the B12 signed their next deal which makes it obvious it is not what the PAC schools want. Also clear is that UO & UW both want a B1G invite & as such won't sign a GOR either with the PAC going forward. That alone lowers the value of any PAC deal. So making an unequivocal statement that no PAC schools are moving to the B12 unless UO/UW move to the PAC is likely just as speculative. Why would other PAC schools who might be comfortable in the B12 wait for UO/UW to get a B1G invite? That would only lower their media value leverage if those 2 schools announce they are leaving first. Further the current PAC deal ends next summer & if the first move is UO/UW, where does that leave the 4 corners schools except further diminished in value? That's why a move now makes sense & is being speculated. And unfortunately such a move shuts the door on our prospects for likely several years.

No idea why you typed all of that just to say nothing. No school leaves the PAC for the same money which is what they almost certainly are going to get.

Then why isn't the deal done? PAC said it would be done in March. UO/UW won't sign a GOR. Howare they going to get the same money without USC/UCLA & no GOR?

Really bought in to the Big12 talking points huh? Oregon/Washington are by far the biggest brands left in either conference. No school leaves until they do. I don't get why people are trying to make this more complicated than it is.

UO/UW won't sign a GOR, USC/UCLA are gone. But despite that & the value depreciation that brings, you just continue to make the same statement no one is going to the B12 without providing any reasoning or justification? Based on what?

(05-25-2023 09:08 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 09:01 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 08:56 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 08:53 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 08:48 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Actually we don't know what the PAC media deal is going to total. That's the reason for so much speculation. It is clear that interested OTA options have not yielded a contract total equal or exceeding the B12 deal with USC/UCLA gone. Also clear is that the PAC has been attempting to negotiate their next deal since before the B12 signed their next deal which makes it obvious it is not what the PAC schools want. Also clear is that UO & UW both want a B1G invite & as such won't sign a GOR either with the PAC going forward. That alone lowers the value of any PAC deal. So making an unequivocal statement that no PAC schools are moving to the B12 unless UO/UW move to the PAC is likely just as speculative. Why would other PAC schools who might be comfortable in the B12 wait for UO/UW to get a B1G invite? That would only lower their media value leverage if those 2 schools announce they are leaving first. Further the current PAC deal ends next summer & if the first move is UO/UW, where does that leave the 4 corners schools except further diminished in value? That's why a move now makes sense & is being speculated. And unfortunately such a move shuts the door on our prospects for likely several years.

No idea why you typed all of that just to say nothing. No school leaves the PAC for the same money which is what they almost certainly are going to get.

Then why isn't the deal done? PAC said it would be done in March. UO/UW won't sign a GOR. Howare they going to get the same money without USC/UCLA & no GOR?

Really bought in to the Big12 talking points huh? Oregon/Washington are by far the biggest brands left in either conference. No school leaves until they do. I don't get why people are trying to make this more complicated than it is.

UO/UW won't sign a GOR, USC/UCLA are gone. But despite that & the value depreciation that brings, you just continue to make the same statement no one is going to the B12 without providing any reasoning or justification? Based on what?

What school in the big 12 moves the needle ? TCU? It would be a horizontal move at best.

(05-25-2023 09:08 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 09:01 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 08:56 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 08:53 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 08:48 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Actually we don't know what the PAC media deal is going to total. That's the reason for so much speculation. It is clear that interested OTA options have not yielded a contract total equal or exceeding the B12 deal with USC/UCLA gone. Also clear is that the PAC has been attempting to negotiate their next deal since before the B12 signed their next deal which makes it obvious it is not what the PAC schools want. Also clear is that UO & UW both want a B1G invite & as such won't sign a GOR either with the PAC going forward. That alone lowers the value of any PAC deal. So making an unequivocal statement that no PAC schools are moving to the B12 unless UO/UW move to the PAC is likely just as speculative. Why would other PAC schools who might be comfortable in the B12 wait for UO/UW to get a B1G invite? That would only lower their media value leverage if those 2 schools announce they are leaving first. Further the current PAC deal ends next summer & if the first move is UO/UW, where does that leave the 4 corners schools except further diminished in value? That's why a move now makes sense & is being speculated. And unfortunately such a move shuts the door on our prospects for likely several years.

No idea why you typed all of that just to say nothing. No school leaves the PAC for the same money which is what they almost certainly are going to get.

Then why isn't the deal done? PAC said it would be done in March. UO/UW won't sign a GOR. Howare they going to get the same money without USC/UCLA & no GOR?

Really bought in to the Big12 talking points huh? Oregon/Washington are by far the biggest brands left in either conference. No school leaves until they do. I don't get why people are trying to make this more complicated than it is.

UO/UW won't sign a GOR, USC/UCLA are gone. But despite that & the value depreciation that brings, you just continue to make the same statement no one is going to the B12 without providing any reasoning or justification? Based on what?

Logic? There is nothing enticing about the Big12. For likely the same money, you get to keep your existing association with like-minded more prestigious schools (8 AAU), be athletically aligned with two of the largest powers in the west, not have to pay an exit fee, not have to travel to the central or eastern time zone with olympic teams, and has way more attractive destinations with airports. The spot in the Big12 is always going to be because no ACC school can break free and take it from them.

Every day that passes with no PAC12 TV deal increases the odds of schools jumping to the Big XII.

(05-25-2023 09:30 AM)Claw Wrote:  Every day that passes with no PAC12 TV deal increases the odds of schools jumping to the Big XII.

I would think just the opposite.

The whole situation is moot where we are concerned.

(05-25-2023 10:08 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  The whole situation is moot where we are concerned.

You are a wise man. Maybe we have some form of a refurbished Liberty Bowl by the time the ACC blows up and it’s enough to get us in whatever is left of that conference

(05-25-2023 10:08 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  The whole situation is moot where we are concerned.

For the moment, I disagree with you, and I rarely do.

If the PAC teams stay in the PAC, we have the best shot we have ever had at the Big XII. Their commissioner is hell-bent on adding more teams and growing the conference. We have a real shot if the PAC and ACC stay together. It might be our last chance.

(05-25-2023 11:23 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 10:08 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  The whole situation is moot where we are concerned.

For the moment, I disagree with you, and I rarely do.

If the PAC teams stay in the PAC, we have the best shot we have ever had at the Big XII. Their commissioner is hell-bent on adding more teams and growing the conference. We have a real shot if the PAC and ACC stay together. It might be our last chance.

Exactly. I'd love for the PAC to hang together in their smug academia. That is our only chance of a move up unless & until the ACC is raided in '36. Using UT (Texas) as an example, despite their 'better than everyone' persona much like several PAC schools, despite having their own LHN, jumped to the SEC where they will likely be a mid-pack competitor. Why? Simply because the SEC $$ are better than the B12 (thought to have been worth $60-75M with UT & OU as members + the LHN for UT). The current B12 value is known without UT & OU - $31M per school. But the PAC value was also primarily in two schools & the LA market - they are gone. UO/UW want to be gone too, evidenced by their joint refusal to sign a GOR in the next contract. We know GOR is valuable because our current AAC contract would have been substantially higher per school instead of $6.9 with GOR (& we know it from the ACC GOR). So again, without USC/UCLA, without the LA market, without GOR, where is the value in the PAC to get B12 value that has a GOR? UO/UW are simply waiting on their B1G invite & they too are gone, making the remaining PAC worth about the equivalent of the MWC. And BTW with the PAC contract ending next summer there are no exit fees.

(05-25-2023 01:01 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 11:23 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 10:08 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  The whole situation is moot where we are concerned.

For the moment, I disagree with you, and I rarely do.

If the PAC teams stay in the PAC, we have the best shot we have ever had at the Big XII. Their commissioner is hell-bent on adding more teams and growing the conference. We have a real shot if the PAC and ACC stay together. It might be our last chance.

Exactly. I'd love for the PAC to hang together in their smug academia. That is our only chance of a move up unless & until the ACC is raided in '36. Using UT (Texas) as an example, despite their 'better than everyone' persona much like several PAC schools, despite having their own LHN, jumped to the SEC where they will likely be a mid-pack competitor. Why? Simply because the SEC $$ are better than the B12 (thought to have been worth $60-75M with UT & OU as members + the LHN for UT). The current B12 value is known without UT & OU - $31M per school. But the PAC value was also primarily in two schools & the LA market - they are gone. UO/UW want to be gone too, evidenced by their joint refusal to sign a GOR in the next contract. We know GOR is valuable because our current AAC contract would have been substantially higher per school instead of $6.9 with GOR (& we know it from the ACC GOR). So again, without USC/UCLA, without the LA market, without GOR, where is the value in the PAC to get B12 value that has a GOR? UO/UW are simply waiting on their B1G invite & they too are gone, making the remaining PAC worth about the equivalent of the MWC. And BTW with the PAC contract ending next summer there are no exit fees.

More rumors flying that the PAC TV deal is only $20 million. If that's true, then PAC defectors will move to the Big XII and we will have to wait. Hope this wrong.

Here's Barry Tramel's article on this subject:

https://redirect.viglink.com/?format=go&...2770007%2F

(05-25-2023 01:24 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Here's Barry Tramel's article on this subject:

https://redirect.viglink.com/?format=go&...2770007%2F

WOW, he really played fast and loose with the TV numbers.

Tried to imply that TCU was a TV juggernaut.

What he didn't mention was that TCU's TV numbers didn't rise until they entered the playoff picture.

Week 1 against Colorado they didn't reach a whole number for a ratings share.

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...v-ratings/

(05-25-2023 01:19 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 01:01 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 11:23 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 10:08 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  The whole situation is moot where we are concerned.

For the moment, I disagree with you, and I rarely do.

If the PAC teams stay in the PAC, we have the best shot we have ever had at the Big XII. Their commissioner is hell-bent on adding more teams and growing the conference. We have a real shot if the PAC and ACC stay together. It might be our last chance.

Exactly. I'd love for the PAC to hang together in their smug academia. That is our only chance of a move up unless & until the ACC is raided in '36. Using UT (Texas) as an example, despite their 'better than everyone' persona much like several PAC schools, despite having their own LHN, jumped to the SEC where they will likely be a mid-pack competitor. Why? Simply because the SEC $$ are better than the B12 (thought to have been worth $60-75M with UT & OU as members + the LHN for UT). The current B12 value is known without UT & OU - $31M per school. But the PAC value was also primarily in two schools & the LA market - they are gone. UO/UW want to be gone too, evidenced by their joint refusal to sign a GOR in the next contract. We know GOR is valuable because our current AAC contract would have been substantially higher per school instead of $6.9 with GOR (& we know it from the ACC GOR). So again, without USC/UCLA, without the LA market, without GOR, where is the value in the PAC to get B12 value that has a GOR? UO/UW are simply waiting on their B1G invite & they too are gone, making the remaining PAC worth about the equivalent of the MWC. And BTW with the PAC contract ending next summer there are no exit fees.

More rumors flying that the PAC TV deal is only $20 million. If that's true, then PAC defectors will move to the Big XII and we will have to wait. Hope this wrong.

Col AD Rick George - "You’ve got to believe about a third of what you see out there,” George told BuffZone. “We’re members of the Pac-12, we’re proud members of the Pac-12 and we’ve got to see where our media rights deal lands and where our conference goes. In a perfect world, we’d love to be in the Pac-12, but we also have to do what’s right for Colorado at the end of the day. We’ll evaluate things as we move forward.”

Sounds like there's something afloat....