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RE: xii expansion
(05-23-2023 04:55 PM)Claw Wrote: BACK TO XII EXPANSION
Of course this changes every day, but today...
New rumors are flying that Colorado is going to jump to the B12.
If no one else from the PAC comes with them, we might be in.
More likely they won't come alone, but still, if they start adding schools, we are in play.
Big 12 leadership has been so over the top stupid; they will probably take Colorado back. How far behind will Nebraska be? They are in on the money, but the move has been a complete disaster for them.
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RE: xii expansion
(05-23-2023 05:19 PM)Stammers Wrote: (05-23-2023 04:55 PM)Claw Wrote: BACK TO XII EXPANSION
Of course this changes every day, but today...
New rumors are flying that Colorado is going to jump to the B12.
If no one else from the PAC comes with them, we might be in.
More likely they won't come alone, but still, if they start adding schools, we are in play.
Big 12 leadership has been so over the top stupid; they will probably take Colorado back. How far behind will Nebraska be? They are in on the money, but the move has been a complete disaster for them.
They know that right now they don't have a bell cow.
No football program that can put the conference on its back and carry it year in and year out.
A year from now is going to be very interesting as the Big XII will see its first year of ratings without OU and UT.
The network will be scrambling to try and keep sponsors on board.
In Big XII games that didn't include either OU or UT the TV ratings were in line with AAC numbers.
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RE: xii expansion
(05-23-2023 04:55 PM)Claw Wrote: BACK TO XII EXPANSION
Of course this changes every day, but today...
New rumors are flying that Colorado is going to jump to the B12.
If no one else from the PAC comes with them, we might be in.
More likely they won't come alone, but still, if they start adding schools, we are in play.
Every source you see or hear are Big XII sources.
Of course, they believe they can just smile and any school would line up to join them.
Keep in mind one simple fact.
That when they mention SEC and B1G expansion.
They mention current Pac-12 teams and ACC teams.
No Big XII teams are being targeted by the SEC or B1G.
There are no schools in the Big XII that would add any value to either the SEC or the B1G.
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RE: xii expansion
(05-23-2023 06:04 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote: (05-23-2023 05:19 PM)Stammers Wrote: (05-23-2023 04:55 PM)Claw Wrote: BACK TO XII EXPANSION
Of course this changes every day, but today...
New rumors are flying that Colorado is going to jump to the B12.
If no one else from the PAC comes with them, we might be in.
More likely they won't come alone, but still, if they start adding schools, we are in play.
Big 12 leadership has been so over the top stupid; they will probably take Colorado back. How far behind will Nebraska be? They are in on the money, but the move has been a complete disaster for them.
They know that right now they don't have a bell cow.
No football program that can put the conference on its back and carry it year in and year out.
A year from now is going to be very interesting as the Big XII will see its first year of ratings without OU and UT.
The network will be scrambling to try and keep sponsors on board.
In Big XII games that didn't include either OU or UT the TV ratings were in line with AAC numbers.
Not only were the numbers in line with the AAC, the team rankings were also.
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RE: xii expansion
(05-23-2023 07:00 PM)Stammers Wrote: (05-23-2023 06:04 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote: (05-23-2023 05:19 PM)Stammers Wrote: (05-23-2023 04:55 PM)Claw Wrote: BACK TO XII EXPANSION
Of course this changes every day, but today...
New rumors are flying that Colorado is going to jump to the B12.
If no one else from the PAC comes with them, we might be in.
More likely they won't come alone, but still, if they start adding schools, we are in play.
Big 12 leadership has been so over the top stupid; they will probably take Colorado back. How far behind will Nebraska be? They are in on the money, but the move has been a complete disaster for them.
They know that right now they don't have a bell cow.
No football program that can put the conference on its back and carry it year in and year out.
A year from now is going to be very interesting as the Big XII will see its first year of ratings without OU and UT.
The network will be scrambling to try and keep sponsors on board.
In Big XII games that didn't include either OU or UT the TV ratings were in line with AAC numbers.
Not only were the numbers in line with the AAC, the team rankings were also.
I think that is why they have to expand. The real chance for ratings growth is with the G5's that move up. Those schools should experience a bump. Those bumps will show over-performance for those schools which will help the overall conference ratings.
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RE: xii expansion
(05-23-2023 10:55 PM)Claw Wrote: (05-23-2023 07:00 PM)Stammers Wrote: (05-23-2023 06:04 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote: (05-23-2023 05:19 PM)Stammers Wrote: (05-23-2023 04:55 PM)Claw Wrote: BACK TO XII EXPANSION
Of course this changes every day, but today...
New rumors are flying that Colorado is going to jump to the B12.
If no one else from the PAC comes with them, we might be in.
More likely they won't come alone, but still, if they start adding schools, we are in play.
Big 12 leadership has been so over the top stupid; they will probably take Colorado back. How far behind will Nebraska be? They are in on the money, but the move has been a complete disaster for them.
They know that right now they don't have a bell cow.
No football program that can put the conference on its back and carry it year in and year out.
A year from now is going to be very interesting as the Big XII will see its first year of ratings without OU and UT.
The network will be scrambling to try and keep sponsors on board.
In Big XII games that didn't include either OU or UT the TV ratings were in line with AAC numbers.
Not only were the numbers in line with the AAC, the team rankings were also.
I think that is why they have to expand. The real chance for ratings growth is with the G5's that move up. Those schools should experience a bump. Those bumps will show over-performance for those schools which will help the overall conference ratings.
Not really.
If in 2022 you had 800,000 tuned in to watch Texas Tech vs Iowa St in the Big XII game of the week and 700,000 tuned in to see Cincinnati vs UCF in the AAC game of the week.
Then you're not going to see any significant increase for Texas Tech vs Cincinnati as the Big XII game of the week.
Very few in Texas outside of Lubbock and very few in Ohio outside of Cincinnati have any interest in watching those teams play and for sure very few nationally care about that game.
They will add new markets, but the teams won't be drawing 1.5 to 2 million that tuned in to see a game that involved OU or UT,
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RE: xii expansion
(05-24-2023 02:17 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote: (05-23-2023 10:55 PM)Claw Wrote: (05-23-2023 07:00 PM)Stammers Wrote: (05-23-2023 06:04 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote: (05-23-2023 05:19 PM)Stammers Wrote: Big 12 leadership has been so over the top stupid; they will probably take Colorado back. How far behind will Nebraska be? They are in on the money, but the move has been a complete disaster for them.
They know that right now they don't have a bell cow.
No football program that can put the conference on its back and carry it year in and year out.
A year from now is going to be very interesting as the Big XII will see its first year of ratings without OU and UT.
The network will be scrambling to try and keep sponsors on board.
In Big XII games that didn't include either OU or UT the TV ratings were in line with AAC numbers.
Not only were the numbers in line with the AAC, the team rankings were also.
I think that is why they have to expand. The real chance for ratings growth is with the G5's that move up. Those schools should experience a bump. Those bumps will show over-performance for those schools which will help the overall conference ratings.
Not really.
If in 2022 you had 800,000 tuned in to watch Texas Tech vs Iowa St in the Big XII game of the week and 700,000 tuned in to see Cincinnati vs UCF in the AAC game of the week.
Then you're not going to see any significant increase for Texas Tech vs Cincinnati as the Big XII game of the week.
Very few in Texas outside of Lubbock and very few in Ohio outside of Cincinnati have any interest in watching those teams play and for sure very few nationally care about that game.
They will add new markets, but the teams won't be drawing 1.5 to 2 million that tuned in to see a game that involved OU or UT,
Texas Tech - Iowa State
FS1
545,000
Cincinnati - UCF
ESPN
1,060,000
The same week...
TCU - West Virginia
ESPN
1,510,000
Oklahoma - Iowa State
FS1
711,000
So again, not to be mean, but wtf are you talking about?
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RE: xii expansion
(05-24-2023 08:05 AM)Stammers Wrote: (05-24-2023 02:17 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote: (05-23-2023 10:55 PM)Claw Wrote: (05-23-2023 07:00 PM)Stammers Wrote: (05-23-2023 06:04 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote: They know that right now they don't have a bell cow.
No football program that can put the conference on its back and carry it year in and year out.
A year from now is going to be very interesting as the Big XII will see its first year of ratings without OU and UT.
The network will be scrambling to try and keep sponsors on board.
In Big XII games that didn't include either OU or UT the TV ratings were in line with AAC numbers.
Not only were the numbers in line with the AAC, the team rankings were also.
I think that is why they have to expand. The real chance for ratings growth is with the G5's that move up. Those schools should experience a bump. Those bumps will show over-performance for those schools which will help the overall conference ratings.
Not really.
If in 2022 you had 800,000 tuned in to watch Texas Tech vs Iowa St in the Big XII game of the week and 700,000 tuned in to see Cincinnati vs UCF in the AAC game of the week.
Then you're not going to see any significant increase for Texas Tech vs Cincinnati as the Big XII game of the week.
Very few in Texas outside of Lubbock and very few in Ohio outside of Cincinnati have any interest in watching those teams play and for sure very few nationally care about that game.
They will add new markets, but the teams won't be drawing 1.5 to 2 million that tuned in to see a game that involved OU or UT,
Texas Tech - Iowa State
FS1
545,000
Cincinnati - UCF
ESPN
1,060,000
The same week...
TCU - West Virginia
ESPN
1,510,000
Oklahoma - Iowa State
FS1
711,000
So again, not to be mean, but wtf are you talking about?
I have always considered racecar to be our special poster. I put him on ignore so as not to be tempted to say mean things.
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RE: xii expansion
5/30/2023 UPDATE
Latest rumors look bad for the Tigers.
The Big XII will hold meetings the remainder of this week. The focus will be on expansion. That's good.
Colorado is said to be ready to move to the Big XII. Supposedly the details are being examined this week. That's bad. If Colorado goes, more PAC teams may follow. If enough of them do, our possible slot will disappear.
If only one to three come, then it might, just maybe, leave a need for us to even things out.
Don't hold your breath, but it's still wait and see time.
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RE: xii expansion
(05-30-2023 02:44 PM)Claw Wrote: 5/30/2023 UPDATE
Latest rumors look bad for the Tigers.
The Big XII will hold meetings the remainder of this week. The focus will be on expansion. That's good.
Colorado is said to be ready to move to the Big XII. Supposedly the details are being examined this week. That's bad. If Colorado goes, more PAC teams may follow. If enough of them do, our possible slot will disappear.
If only one to three come, then it might, just maybe, leave a need for us to even things out.
Don't hold your breath, but it's still wait and see time.
Yeah, if Colorado were to make the move, I just don't see them being the only one, that basically knocks us out of the running. We have to hope and pray that the PAC media deal will be at least comparable to the Big 12's deal, so all PAC teams stay in the PAC and hopefully they pick up SMU and SDSU to take out 2 more of our competition in the "moving on up" race. Right now, I would give us a 30% chance.
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RE: xii expansion
(05-30-2023 03:34 PM)SouthernBoiNOLA Wrote: (05-30-2023 02:44 PM)Claw Wrote: 5/30/2023 UPDATE
Latest rumors look bad for the Tigers.
The Big XII will hold meetings the remainder of this week. The focus will be on expansion. That's good.
Colorado is said to be ready to move to the Big XII. Supposedly the details are being examined this week. That's bad. If Colorado goes, more PAC teams may follow. If enough of them do, our possible slot will disappear.
If only one to three come, then it might, just maybe, leave a need for us to even things out.
Don't hold your breath, but it's still wait and see time.
Yeah, if Colorado were to make the move, I just don't see them being the only one, that basically knocks us out of the running. We have to hope and pray that the PAC media deal will be at least comparable to the Big 12's deal, so all PAC teams stay in the PAC and hopefully they pick up SMU and SDSU to take out 2 more of our competition in the "moving on up" race. Right now, I would give us a 30% chance.
I am forever the optimist, but I don't see it that way at all. IMO, the two scenarios that make sense without us, are Nebraska leaving the Big Ten, or Colorado along with 3 other schools leaving the PAC 12. Nebraska is going to keep sucking, but they are going to suck making a boatload of cash, so they aren't going anywhere. From a competitive standpoint, Nebraska would otherwise be a no brainer.
All of the California schools and even more so, Oregon and Washington are at the other end of the world. If Colorado leaves, it's a no brainer for the PAC 12 to add San Diego State, which would be a push at worse.
So in order of what makes sense...
1) The PAC 12 gets a decent tv contract and nobody moves
2) Four schools from the PAC 12 move
3) Colorado and us to the Big 12
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RE: xii expansion
(05-30-2023 04:58 PM)Stammers Wrote: (05-30-2023 03:34 PM)SouthernBoiNOLA Wrote: (05-30-2023 02:44 PM)Claw Wrote: 5/30/2023 UPDATE
Latest rumors look bad for the Tigers.
The Big XII will hold meetings the remainder of this week. The focus will be on expansion. That's good.
Colorado is said to be ready to move to the Big XII. Supposedly the details are being examined this week. That's bad. If Colorado goes, more PAC teams may follow. If enough of them do, our possible slot will disappear.
If only one to three come, then it might, just maybe, leave a need for us to even things out.
Don't hold your breath, but it's still wait and see time.
Yeah, if Colorado were to make the move, I just don't see them being the only one, that basically knocks us out of the running. We have to hope and pray that the PAC media deal will be at least comparable to the Big 12's deal, so all PAC teams stay in the PAC and hopefully they pick up SMU and SDSU to take out 2 more of our competition in the "moving on up" race. Right now, I would give us a 30% chance.
I am forever the optimist, but I don't see it that way at all. IMO, the two scenarios that make sense without us, are Nebraska leaving the Big Ten, or Colorado along with 3 other schools leaving the PAC 12. Nebraska is going to keep sucking, but they are going to suck making a boatload of cash, so they aren't going anywhere. From a competitive standpoint, Nebraska would otherwise be a no brainer.
All of the California schools and even more so, Oregon and Washington are at the other end of the world. If Colorado leaves, it's a no brainer for the PAC 12 to add San Diego State, which would be a push at worse.
So in order of what makes sense...
1) The PAC 12 gets a decent tv contract and nobody moves
2) Four schools from the PAC 12 move
3) Colorado and us to the Big 12
If three move from the PAC we might squeeze in as the fourth. That would be number 4 in terms of likelihood.
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RE: xii expansion
(05-30-2023 05:02 PM)Claw Wrote: (05-30-2023 04:58 PM)Stammers Wrote: (05-30-2023 03:34 PM)SouthernBoiNOLA Wrote: (05-30-2023 02:44 PM)Claw Wrote: 5/30/2023 UPDATE
Latest rumors look bad for the Tigers.
The Big XII will hold meetings the remainder of this week. The focus will be on expansion. That's good.
Colorado is said to be ready to move to the Big XII. Supposedly the details are being examined this week. That's bad. If Colorado goes, more PAC teams may follow. If enough of them do, our possible slot will disappear.
If only one to three come, then it might, just maybe, leave a need for us to even things out.
Don't hold your breath, but it's still wait and see time.
Yeah, if Colorado were to make the move, I just don't see them being the only one, that basically knocks us out of the running. We have to hope and pray that the PAC media deal will be at least comparable to the Big 12's deal, so all PAC teams stay in the PAC and hopefully they pick up SMU and SDSU to take out 2 more of our competition in the "moving on up" race. Right now, I would give us a 30% chance.
I am forever the optimist, but I don't see it that way at all. IMO, the two scenarios that make sense without us, are Nebraska leaving the Big Ten, or Colorado along with 3 other schools leaving the PAC 12. Nebraska is going to keep sucking, but they are going to suck making a boatload of cash, so they aren't going anywhere. From a competitive standpoint, Nebraska would otherwise be a no brainer.
All of the California schools and even more so, Oregon and Washington are at the other end of the world. If Colorado leaves, it's a no brainer for the PAC 12 to add San Diego State, which would be a push at worse.
So in order of what makes sense...
1) The PAC 12 gets a decent tv contract and nobody moves
2) Four schools from the PAC 12 move
3) Colorado and us to the Big 12
If three move from the PAC we might squeeze in as the fourth. That would be number 4 in terms of likelihood.
If 4 schools from the PAC 12 move, would be out the question to add 4 to 6 schools to backfill: Memphis, SMU, San Diego St, UNLV, Boise St and Fresno St?
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RE: xii expansion
I don't care how it happens. We just need to get 'in'.
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RE: xii expansion
(05-24-2023 08:05 AM)Stammers Wrote: (05-24-2023 02:17 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote: (05-23-2023 10:55 PM)Claw Wrote: (05-23-2023 07:00 PM)Stammers Wrote: (05-23-2023 06:04 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote: They know that right now they don't have a bell cow.
No football program that can put the conference on its back and carry it year in and year out.
A year from now is going to be very interesting as the Big XII will see its first year of ratings without OU and UT.
The network will be scrambling to try and keep sponsors on board.
In Big XII games that didn't include either OU or UT the TV ratings were in line with AAC numbers.
Not only were the numbers in line with the AAC, the team rankings were also.
I think that is why they have to expand. The real chance for ratings growth is with the G5's that move up. Those schools should experience a bump. Those bumps will show over-performance for those schools which will help the overall conference ratings.
Not really.
If in 2022 you had 800,000 tuned in to watch Texas Tech vs Iowa St in the Big XII game of the week and 700,000 tuned in to see Cincinnati vs UCF in the AAC game of the week.
Then you're not going to see any significant increase for Texas Tech vs Cincinnati as the Big XII game of the week.
Very few in Texas outside of Lubbock and very few in Ohio outside of Cincinnati have any interest in watching those teams play and for sure very few nationally care about that game.
They will add new markets, but the teams won't be drawing 1.5 to 2 million that tuned in to see a game that involved OU or UT,
Texas Tech - Iowa State
FS1
545,000
Cincinnati - UCF
ESPN
1,060,000
The same week...
TCU - West Virginia
ESPN
1,510,000
Oklahoma - Iowa State
FS1
711,000
So again, not to be mean, but wtf are you talking about?
TCU didn't earn a whole ratings point until their name came up in playoff discussion. Most of the season they were in the 0.5-0.7 ratings area.
First full ratings point was week 4 against Oklahoma and then again week 7 against Oklahoma St. They didn't get another whole ratings point until week 10 against Texas Tech.
Week 11 they got a boost against Texas and got over a 2 ratings point and remain there the next 2 weeks.
But it wasn't till late in season after they began being in playoff discussion that they actually began constantly drawing whole ratings points.
(This post was last modified: 05-31-2023 04:04 AM by ncrdbl1.)
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RE: xii expansion
(05-31-2023 03:40 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote: (05-24-2023 08:05 AM)Stammers Wrote: (05-24-2023 02:17 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote: (05-23-2023 10:55 PM)Claw Wrote: (05-23-2023 07:00 PM)Stammers Wrote: Not only were the numbers in line with the AAC, the team rankings were also.
I think that is why they have to expand. The real chance for ratings growth is with the G5's that move up. Those schools should experience a bump. Those bumps will show over-performance for those schools which will help the overall conference ratings.
Not really.
If in 2022 you had 800,000 tuned in to watch Texas Tech vs Iowa St in the Big XII game of the week and 700,000 tuned in to see Cincinnati vs UCF in the AAC game of the week.
Then you're not going to see any significant increase for Texas Tech vs Cincinnati as the Big XII game of the week.
Very few in Texas outside of Lubbock and very few in Ohio outside of Cincinnati have any interest in watching those teams play and for sure very few nationally care about that game.
They will add new markets, but the teams won't be drawing 1.5 to 2 million that tuned in to see a game that involved OU or UT,
Texas Tech - Iowa State
FS1
545,000
Cincinnati - UCF
ESPN
1,060,000
The same week...
TCU - West Virginia
ESPN
1,510,000
Oklahoma - Iowa State
FS1
711,000
So again, not to be mean, but wtf are you talking about?
TCU didn't earn a whole ratings point until their name came up in playoff discussion. Most of the season they were in the 0.5-0.7 ratings area.
First full ratings point was week 4 against Oklahoma and then again week 7 against Oklahoma St. They didn't get another whole ratings point until week 10 against Texas Tech.
Week 11 they got a boost against Texas and got over a 2 ratings point and remain there the next 2 weeks.
But it wasn't till late in season after they began being in playoff discussion that they actually began constantly drawing whole ratings points.
So now the nonsense becomes, wave a magic wand and magically turn the conversation from number of viewers, to ratings points.
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RE: xii expansion
I believe the PAC has to expand east to survive. More football eyeballs in the Eastern and central time zones. Better for viewing contract negotiations I would presume.
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RE: xii expansion
ESPN will want the Big 12 to go West so they can keep that late window on Saturday Night.
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It really looks like something will happen this week. We might not hear about it till next week. The first shoe is about to drop. Hang on.
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I pray that I'm wrong, but it is my opinion that notions of Memphis becoming P5 are far more active in the minds of Memphis fans than in the people actually making the decision.
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