The loss of JLawson is not the main concern (though I do feel it is a bit of a blow to the program as the young man showed some potential). Rather, his departure furthers the narrative that the Tiger program — due to so many players leaving the last few years — is not stable and desirable. Vanderbilt is experiencing this too. Six key VU players have entered the transfer portal the last few months. There is a negative perception associated with such significant losses.

As a long-time fan of Vanderbilt and Memphis, I am concerned for both men's hoops programs. And I have to wonder if the coaching staffs might be a major factor in both cases.

Troubling.

(04-25-2023 11:42 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  The loss of JLawson is not the main concern (though I do feel it is a bit of a blow to the program as the young man showed some potential). Rather, his departure furthers the narrative that the Tiger program — due to so many players leaving the last few years — is not stable and desirable. Vanderbilt is experiencing this too. Six key VU players have entered the transfer portal the last few months. There is a negative perception associated with such significant losses.

As a long-time fan of Vanderbilt and Memphis, I am concerned for both men's hoops programs. And I have to wonder if the coaching staffs might be a major factor in both cases.

Troubling.

The "narrative" is mostly from a dozen or so of our miserable, out of touch with reality, message board posters. Nothing more.

(04-25-2023 12:07 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 11:42 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  The loss of JLawson is not the main concern (though I do feel it is a bit of a blow to the program as the young man showed some potential). Rather, his departure furthers the narrative that the Tiger program — due to so many players leaving the last few years — is not stable and desirable. Vanderbilt is experiencing this too. Six key VU players have entered the transfer portal the last few months. There is a negative perception associated with such significant losses.

As a long-time fan of Vanderbilt and Memphis, I am concerned for both men's hoops programs. And I have to wonder if the coaching staffs might be a major factor in both cases.

Troubling.

The "narrative" is mostly from a dozen or so of our miserable, out of touch with reality, message board posters. Nothing more.

I hope you are correct, Stammers.

(04-25-2023 01:05 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 12:07 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 11:42 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  The loss of JLawson is not the main concern (though I do feel it is a bit of a blow to the program as the young man showed some potential). Rather, his departure furthers the narrative that the Tiger program — due to so many players leaving the last few years — is not stable and desirable. Vanderbilt is experiencing this too. Six key VU players have entered the transfer portal the last few months. There is a negative perception associated with such significant losses.

As a long-time fan of Vanderbilt and Memphis, I am concerned for both men's hoops programs. And I have to wonder if the coaching staffs might be a major factor in both cases.

Troubling.

The "narrative" is mostly from a dozen or so of our miserable, out of touch with reality, message board posters. Nothing more.

I hope you are correct, Stammers.

Nothing is stable. Not just us.

Every Year, Penny comes up with a competitive team.

(04-25-2023 01:17 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Nothing is stable. Not just us.

(04-25-2023 02:04 PM)holyterror Wrote:  Every Year, Penny comes up with a competitive team.

Yep to both. In this era it's going to be more about how well you build up, not so much about what all are you losing.

Deion Sanders went into Colorado talking about getting rid of players. With all the hype that was going on with Colorado's spring game, 18 decided to transfer after the spring game, including the top performing receiver in that game. The article also says they've had 31 players transfer since April 15th.

(04-25-2023 02:34 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 01:17 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Nothing is stable. Not just us.

(04-25-2023 02:04 PM)holyterror Wrote:  Every Year, Penny comes up with a competitive team.

Yep to both. In this era it's going to be more about how well you build up, not so much about what all are you losing.

Deion Sanders went into Colorado talking about getting rid of players. With all the hype that was going on with Colorado's spring game, 18 decided to transfer after the spring game, including the top performing receiver in that game. The article also says they've had 31 players transfer since April 15th.

I hear you its a new era but cmon now. You gotta bring back more than two players who combined for like 8 ppg, one being your walk on caliber son. Other top programs arent experiencing *that* much transition.

(04-25-2023 04:23 PM)dwash Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 02:34 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 01:17 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Nothing is stable. Not just us.

(04-25-2023 02:04 PM)holyterror Wrote:  Every Year, Penny comes up with a competitive team.

Yep to both. In this era it's going to be more about how well you build up, not so much about what all are you losing.

Deion Sanders went into Colorado talking about getting rid of players. With all the hype that was going on with Colorado's spring game, 18 decided to transfer after the spring game, including the top performing receiver in that game. The article also says they've had 31 players transfer since April 15th.

I hear you its a new era but cmon now. You gotta bring back more than two players who combined for like 8 ppg, one being your walk on caliber son. Other top programs arent experiencing *that* much transition.

Yeah but we also had 10 seniors (11 if you want to include Jahmar Young) so that's a unique situation on its own. And with the ones that had a shot at coming back, how many of them would you really want back? I'm honestly fine with the turnover from this past season.

(04-25-2023 05:24 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 04:23 PM)dwash Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 02:34 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 01:17 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Nothing is stable. Not just us.

(04-25-2023 02:04 PM)holyterror Wrote:  Every Year, Penny comes up with a competitive team.

Yep to both. In this era it's going to be more about how well you build up, not so much about what all are you losing.

Deion Sanders went into Colorado talking about getting rid of players. With all the hype that was going on with Colorado's spring game, 18 decided to transfer after the spring game, including the top performing receiver in that game. The article also says they've had 31 players transfer since April 15th.

I hear you its a new era but cmon now. You gotta bring back more than two players who combined for like 8 ppg, one being your walk on caliber son. Other top programs arent experiencing *that* much transition.

Yeah but we also had 10 seniors (11 if you want to include Jahmar Young) so that's a unique situation on its own. And with the ones that had a shot at coming back, how many of them would you really want back? I'm honestly fine with the turnover from this past season.

I agree.
Context is everything

(04-25-2023 05:24 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 04:23 PM)dwash Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 02:34 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 01:17 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Nothing is stable. Not just us.

(04-25-2023 02:04 PM)holyterror Wrote:  Every Year, Penny comes up with a competitive team.

Yep to both. In this era it's going to be more about how well you build up, not so much about what all are you losing.

Deion Sanders went into Colorado talking about getting rid of players. With all the hype that was going on with Colorado's spring game, 18 decided to transfer after the spring game, including the top performing receiver in that game. The article also says they've had 31 players transfer since April 15th.

I hear you its a new era but cmon now. You gotta bring back more than two players who combined for like 8 ppg, one being your walk on caliber son. Other top programs arent experiencing *that* much transition.

Yeah but we also had 10 seniors (11 if you want to include Jahmar Young) so that's a unique situation on its own. And with the ones that had a shot at coming back, how many of them would you really want back? I'm honestly fine with the turnover from this past season.

Ok I guess. I cant remember the exact number but we only bought back like 5 players last year. I mean I havent looked up exact numbers but I cant believe our turnover rate isnt a little higher than most of the teams that made tourney runs.

Ike told u Dudes that the transfer portal and nil would destroy college sports
Ike has not changed his thinking

(04-25-2023 05:56 PM)dwash Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 05:24 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 04:23 PM)dwash Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 02:34 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 01:17 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Nothing is stable. Not just us.

(04-25-2023 02:04 PM)holyterror Wrote:  Every Year, Penny comes up with a competitive team.

Yep to both. In this era it's going to be more about how well you build up, not so much about what all are you losing.

Deion Sanders went into Colorado talking about getting rid of players. With all the hype that was going on with Colorado's spring game, 18 decided to transfer after the spring game, including the top performing receiver in that game. The article also says they've had 31 players transfer since April 15th.

I hear you its a new era but cmon now. You gotta bring back more than two players who combined for like 8 ppg, one being your walk on caliber son. Other top programs arent experiencing *that* much transition.

Yeah but we also had 10 seniors (11 if you want to include Jahmar Young) so that's a unique situation on its own. And with the ones that had a shot at coming back, how many of them would you really want back? I'm honestly fine with the turnover from this past season.

Ok I guess. I cant remember the exact number but we only bought back like 5 players last year. I mean I havent looked up exact numbers but I cant believe our turnover rate isnt a little higher than most of the teams that made tourney runs.

I hadn't looked for exact numbers up to this point, but I would share the same belief that our numbers are likely higher. I just found this article that says UConn could be losing up to seven players that still have eligibility.

https://www.fox61.com/article/sports/nca...c5452865aa

(04-25-2023 04:23 PM)dwash Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 02:34 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 01:17 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Nothing is stable. Not just us.

(04-25-2023 02:04 PM)holyterror Wrote:  Every Year, Penny comes up with a competitive team.

Yep to both. In this era it's going to be more about how well you build up, not so much about what all are you losing.

Deion Sanders went into Colorado talking about getting rid of players. With all the hype that was going on with Colorado's spring game, 18 decided to transfer after the spring game, including the top performing receiver in that game. The article also says they've had 31 players transfer since April 15th.

I hear you its a new era but cmon now. You gotta bring back more than two players who combined for like 8 ppg, one being your walk on caliber son. Other top programs arent experiencing *that* much transition.

No link, no research. Just take the most negative side possible for everything.

(04-25-2023 05:24 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 04:23 PM)dwash Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 02:34 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 01:17 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Nothing is stable. Not just us.

(04-25-2023 02:04 PM)holyterror Wrote:  Every Year, Penny comes up with a competitive team.

Yep to both. In this era it's going to be more about how well you build up, not so much about what all are you losing.

Deion Sanders went into Colorado talking about getting rid of players. With all the hype that was going on with Colorado's spring game, 18 decided to transfer after the spring game, including the top performing receiver in that game. The article also says they've had 31 players transfer since April 15th.

I hear you its a new era but cmon now. You gotta bring back more than two players who combined for like 8 ppg, one being your walk on caliber son. Other top programs arent experiencing *that* much transition.

Yeah but we also had 10 seniors (11 if you want to include Jahmar Young) so that's a unique situation on its own. And with the ones that had a shot at coming back, how many of them would you really want back? I'm honestly fine with the turnover from this past season.

Yep, nothing to see here.

The NCAA will have to find a way to reign the transfer portal in.

(04-25-2023 06:15 PM)memphisike Wrote:  Ike told u Dudes that the transfer portal and nil would destroy college sports
Ike has not changed his thinking

GermantownTiger agrees with you...getting tougher to remain excited about the home team when the roster churn is so high.

(04-26-2023 07:51 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  The NCAA will have to find a way to reign the transfer portal in.

Do they want to, though? As a (crooked) realtor once told me, "Where there is confusion, there is profit."
Does the NCAA have motivation to reign in the transfer portal? Not being snarky here, I'm just wondering.

(04-26-2023 07:54 AM)holyterror Wrote:  

(04-26-2023 07:51 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  The NCAA will have to find a way to reign the transfer portal in.

Do they want to, though? As a (crooked) realtor once told me, "Where there is confusion, there is profit."
Does the NCAA have motivation to reign in the transfer portal? Not being snarky here, I'm just wondering.

The only motivation for the NCAA is for there to be a few more Final 4’s that looked like this last one. Let senior laden “mid-majors” on teams that have played together for several years start raining on the blue bloods parade & there will either be changes or a split.

(04-26-2023 08:40 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(04-26-2023 07:54 AM)holyterror Wrote:  

(04-26-2023 07:51 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  The NCAA will have to find a way to reign the transfer portal in.

Do they want to, though? As a (crooked) realtor once told me, "Where there is confusion, there is profit."
Does the NCAA have motivation to reign in the transfer portal? Not being snarky here, I'm just wondering.

The only motivation for the NCAA is for there to be a few more Final 4’s that looked like this last one. Let senior laden “mid-majors” on teams that have played together for several years start raining on the blue bloods parade & there will either be changes or a split.

That's kind of what I was thinking. There's little room at the Big Table for the FAU's and Cleveland States of the world.

(04-25-2023 02:04 PM)holyterror Wrote:  Every Year, Penny comes up with a competitive team.

But we've also had issues. Other than this year's team, we haven't really reached our stride until after Christmas. With Penny's teams, it's taken a while to gel.

My concerns with this team:
1.) This will be a late arriving team. Given the gelling issues mentioned above, even if we put together an all-star mercenary team, we're going to have issues early on.

2.) I don't even think we can put together an all-star mercenary team based on what's in the portal. The deadline is only a couple of weeks away. At best right now, we might be able to scrape together a Tchewa or a Cisse underneath and maybe a Bradley in the backcourt. That's a bubble-team at best.

3.) The roster is so damn imbalanced. We really need TWO bigs and TWO pgs AND a scorer. Penny can pull a rabbit (or two) out of his hat, but I don't see this roster being very balanced. This is going to push his positionless basketball philosophy to the brink.

At best, I see us getting a roster together that can vie for a title in the American and maybe settle in as an 8 to 10 seed. That's not what any one was hoping a couple of months ago with our recruiting class.

This will be a big test for Penny. Will he double-down on positionless basketball? Will we see Dandridge back on the roster? If we're rolling with Malco, Jayden, and Ashton-- and we struggle-- do the complaints of nepotism and stubbornness get louder?