(04-20-2023 01:06 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(04-19-2023 03:22 PM)UofRfan Wrote:  Per the DNR this morning the Sun Belt has suggested for teams to avoid playing on the road vs Top 20 teams

Quote: Our league has kind of told us to stay away from playing Top 20 teams on the road that are Power 5 teams, guarantees or not,” Byington said. “They would want you to play a 25 to 45 NET team if you’re going to play a Power 5. If you look at those teams that are on there, none of those teams would play us this past year. And some of those teams won’t play us next year. I know right now we’re already getting told no. I’m not completely bought into that. I understand what they are doing for NETs and stuff like that, but I think you learn a lot about a team in those situations and it’s usually on national television. Those aren’t bad things at all.

At first glance I don't agree with this at all. I don't think the league should be super preoccupied with the NET because it mostly will only affect the auto-bids seeding. If you are trying to gimmick up Quad 1 records winning at the 75th best team on the road is the same as the #1 team in country. But does this really matter?

I am sure there is some theory behind this scheduling philosophy but I'd love to hear it. In doing some reasearch I realized they have made some changes to the NET which including getting rid of the scoring cap which was in theory to prevent teams from running up the score. Perhaps playing Top 20 teams on the road destroys your Net Efficiency which is a key variable in the NET.

Maybe it makes sense from a gaming the NET theory but I'd rather get the exposure of facing a Top 20 team as well as the test it provides. Especially if scheduling is impossible for JMU which it sounds like it is.

Anyone know the Sun Belt's reasoning here? Wish they had mentioned it in the article.

So what year did you first start posting on here? Was it in the 1990s?

Why make me feel old?

Keith Gill loses a lot of credibility if he has directed Sun Belt schools to not play Top 20 teams on the road.
Dumb

Aren’t we talking about sports? The essence of which is competing to find out who is the best.
In my book, there is nothing worse than an athletics guy taking an anticompetitive stance.

The games last year against UNC and UVA were better for the team and the program than the other 11 OOC games combined.
Go get those pay games (which are readily available) and elevate the program by getting a win or putting a scare into the big dogs.
Plus you take the cabbage home to hep fund the program

College students go overboard at times, if UVA never comes back to Harrisonburg I'd bet it's because they lost here and not because of a chant.

I’d be shocked if Commissioner Gill really advanced the idea of not playing top 20 teams on the road.

(04-21-2023 05:11 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  I’d be shocked if Commissioner Gill really advanced the idea of not playing top 20 teams on the road.

I would really be shocked if Mettlen didn't double check that info- but that's just me. I suppose it could be like the A-10 edict on scheduling....where all conference ADs and coaches got a memo regarding scheduling that "officially" didn't exist.

(04-21-2023 07:45 PM)olddawg Wrote:  

(04-21-2023 05:11 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  I’d be shocked if Commissioner Gill really advanced the idea of not playing top 20 teams on the road.

I would really be shocked if Mettlen didn't double check that info- but that's just me. I suppose it could be like the A-10 edict on scheduling....where all conference ADs and coaches got a memo regarding scheduling that "officially" didn't exist.

Until Gill goes on record in public it’s all hearsay.

I mean, it was said by Byington... Do we really want our coach lying about a scheduling instruction from our conference to be the case?

(04-21-2023 12:00 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(04-21-2023 11:02 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  Oh and since you brought it up he got chanted to by the students b/c he was angry he was losing and during the media timeout stormed all the way near the JMU huddle on the other side of the court to yell at the officials. He did so with no penalty or Technical so he got some harsh words from the students......he sorta earned it.

Does that make it the right thing to do?

Foe college students, I really don't see the big deal here and what folks have their panties in a bunch about on this topic. It was a one time kinda thing NOT something that happened in every home game prior nor since.

Not a big deal whatsoever.

If you are so bothered by foul language perhaps you should be as concerned by the countless expletives that visiting coaches yell across the court every game. Maybe not every visiting coach, but 75% easily. Of and these are NOT college students but 35+ year olds.

(04-21-2023 04:50 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  College students go overboard at times, if UVA never comes back to Harrisonburg I'd bet it's because they lost here and not because of a chant.

^^^^^THIS EXACTLY^^^^^^

(04-21-2023 08:43 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  I mean, it was said by Byington... Do we really want our coach lying about a scheduling instruction from our conference to be the case?

Where have you been? Coaches lie all the time, either overtly, by omission, or via shading the actual facts.

Until there is video of By and Gill sharing this “news” I’ll reserve judgment so I can make up my own mind. I like Mettlen, however, every reporter’s storytelling needs to be filtered through the lens of healthy skepticism (which requires multiple verifiable sources). Are other SBC coaches and schools reporting this scheduling edict?

(04-24-2023 10:18 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(04-21-2023 08:43 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  I mean, it was said by Byington... Do we really want our coach lying about a scheduling instruction from our conference to be the case?

Where have you been? Coaches lie all the time, either overtly, by omission, or via shading the actual facts.

Until there is video of By and Gill sharing this “news” I’ll reserve judgment so I can make up my own mind. I like Mettlen, however, every reporter’s storytelling needs to be filtered through the lens of healthy skepticism (which requires multiple verifiable sources). Are other SBC coaches and schools reporting this scheduling edict?

Unlike with Greg M., I’ve learned that Mettlen really gets caught up on things and I can’t follow him blindly thinking he’s being objective.

(04-24-2023 10:18 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(04-21-2023 08:43 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  I mean, it was said by Byington... Do we really want our coach lying about a scheduling instruction from our conference to be the case?

Where have you been? Coaches lie all the time, either overtly, by omission, or via shading the actual facts.

Until there is video of By and Gill sharing this “news” I’ll reserve judgment so I can make up my own mind. I like Mettlen, however, every reporter’s storytelling needs to be filtered through the lens of healthy skepticism (which requires multiple verifiable sources). Are other SBC coaches and schools reporting this scheduling edict?

I'd like to think Mettlen is not misquoting Byington. He seems to have journalistic integrity, and thus far he's done a pretty solid job reporting on SBC related matters.

Coach does not seem to be sold on the guidance (it sounds more like strong suggestions rather than an edict). It may be the conference studied this or paid some experts, and this is what the models said is the best way to improve the conference ratings.

(04-24-2023 08:48 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(04-21-2023 12:00 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(04-21-2023 11:02 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  Oh and since you brought it up he got chanted to by the students b/c he was angry he was losing and during the media timeout stormed all the way near the JMU huddle on the other side of the court to yell at the officials. He did so with no penalty or Technical so he got some harsh words from the students......he sorta earned it.

Does that make it the right thing to do?

Foe college students, I really don't see the big deal here and what folks have their panties in a bunch about on this topic. It was a one time kinda thing NOT something that happened in every home game prior nor since.

Not a big deal whatsoever.

If you are so bothered by foul language perhaps you should be as concerned by the countless expletives that visiting coaches yell across the court every game. Maybe not every visiting coach, but 75% easily. Of and these are NOT college students but 35+ year olds.

I'm not bothered by foul language. There are plenty here who know me and will validate that resume if you need it. I also don't buy your "two-wrongs-make-it-right" argument for the head coaches. I've got no problem with JMU trying to take a position on better personal conduct for the students and fans they're trying to educate. Everybody wins there.

Chanting F U to an opposing coach is bush league any way you cut it. Inappropriate and disappointing. No way to justify it. Now, at the officials sometimes, maybe!

(04-24-2023 01:52 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  Chanting F U to an opposing coach is bush league any way you cut it. Inappropriate and disappointing. No way to justify it. Now, at the officials sometimes, maybe!

I would personally be bothered much more by past bush league behavior at basketball games like --- throwing toilet paper on the court for the first basket ---- which actually harms the team via a technical foul.

I have never seen some folks so bothered by college students chanting an expletive at a coach that earned it in a single occurence.

Are all yall tender foots equally as bothered by a 'bull$hit' chant over a call by the students.......that happens often and that does not seem to bother anyone.

Looking at it from a fan perspective, I could see some saying it's a bit much.
But from an administration that usually does almost everything right, they absolutely had to do something. It's not a good look. And to even say nothing would be complicit.
Of course it could be worse, but it absolutely could be better too. A home field can be hostile without the fan base shouting F U to a coach.
Being in a group that was being 'monitored' in the things we said, we couldn't get away with swearing. And yet, we were hostile as hell.
For anyone not happy with it: how about some creativity? Coming from experience you can ABSOLUTELY pi$$ off a player/coach/opposing fan/mascot/etc without swearing or saying something offensive that would get you kicked out.
If you don't want to be creative, then how about this: make lots of noise.
And last I checked, the "Dukes Do Better" campaign has never said to not make lots of noise.

(04-24-2023 02:25 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  Looking at it from a fan perspective, I could see some saying it's a bit much.
But from an administration that usually does almost everything right, they absolutely had to do something. It's not a good look. And to even say nothing would be complicit.
Of course it could be worse, but it absolutely could be better too. A home field can be hostile without the fan base shouting F U to a coach.
Being in a group that was being 'monitored' in the things we said, we couldn't get away with swearing. And yet, we were hostile as hell.
For anyone not happy with it: how about some creativity? Coming from experience you can ABSOLUTELY pi$$ off a player/coach/opposing fan/mascot/etc without swearing or saying something offensive that would get you kicked out.
If you don't want to be creative, then how about this: make lots of noise.
And last I checked, the "Dukes Do Better" campaign has never said to not make lots of noise.

I'm not bothered by the foul language either. I expect it. I'm bothered by that particular phrase in conjunction with who it was solely directed at. How about those fans using the lump on top of their shoulders and recognize who was doing whom the favor in playing that game in Harrisonburg. It wasn't UVA's AD-it was Bennett.

The argument that JMU winning the game "may" have killed future matchups is fair, but misses the bigger picture. What if UVA had won? Would Bennett be inclined to have re-upped the series after this season? This certainly didn't help.

(04-24-2023 02:04 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(04-24-2023 01:52 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  Chanting F U to an opposing coach is bush league any way you cut it. Inappropriate and disappointing. No way to justify it. Now, at the officials sometimes, maybe!

I would personally be bothered much more by past bush league behavior at basketball games like --- throwing toilet paper on the court for the first basket ---- which actually harms the team via a technical foul.

I have never seen some folks so bothered by college students chanting an expletive at a coach that earned it in a single occurence.

Are all yall tender foots equally as bothered by a 'bull$hit' chant over a call by the students.......that happens often and that does not seem to bother anyone.

You view BS chants as equal to FU chants, and it seems that some of us disagree that they are the same. That doesn't make anybody harder or softer than you, it's just a different opinion.

I know PG always liked the "JMU says suck Deez ....s."