(03-20-2023 10:56 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  Dilfer is a good example but the league has changed in the last 25 years.

Flacco was playing out of his mind in the POs the year Ravens won the SB. Maybe Dak can play at that level for a 3-4 game stretch but I doubt it. Consistency hasn’t been his strong suit.

Manning was still a better decision maker than Dak but yes that team had 2 hall of fame WRs along with one of the best defenses of all time.

Well now you're making my point for me.

There is no such thing as a one year elite QB, Flacco was never an elite QB. He was good but not great, much like a lot of NFL starting QB's.

I would not even call Nick Foles good, he's just run of the mill average.

The Broncos had no passing game at all the year they won it, it was Manning's last season, he was injured and struggled to complete a 10 yard pass. It was all about their defense.

Its harder but not impossible. It takes a really strong defense and team around the QB.

(03-20-2023 11:10 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 10:56 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  Dilfer is a good example but the league has changed in the last 25 years.

Flacco was playing out of his mind in the POs the year Ravens won the SB. Maybe Dak can play at that level for a 3-4 game stretch but I doubt it. Consistency hasn’t been his strong suit.

Manning was still a better decision maker than Dak but yes that team had 2 hall of fame WRs along with one of the best defenses of all time.

Well now you're making my point for me.

There is no such thing as a one year elite QB, Flacco was never an elite QB. He was good but not great, much like a lot of NFL starting QB's.

I would not even call Nick Foles good, he's just run of the mill average.

The Broncos had no passing game at all the year they won it, it was Manning's last season, he was injured and struggled to complete a 10 yard pass. It was all about their defense.

Its harder but not impossible. It takes a really strong defense and team around the QB.

Suppose so
Dak just isn’t the one IMO to guide a team to the SB.
His decision making at crunch time leaves a lot to be desired. Anyways, like I said I don’t care about the Cowboys. They can keep flaming out…just feel bad for Pollard.

(03-20-2023 11:53 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  Dak just isn’t the one IMO to guide a team to the SB.

Neither does anyone else. You keep posting it like its a unique view you have. Its not, its what everyone thinks.

Literally no one on earth thinks Dak is an elite QB who can will his team to a SB title.

But like a lot of other QB's he is good enough to win one if you have the right team around him.

The Cowboys have won the second most games in the NFL the last 2 years. 25 wins including a playoff win over the last 2 years. They are very close, closer than most teams in the NFL. They got better in 2021 and got better again in 2022. If they get better again in 2023 they may finally break through.

(03-20-2023 12:12 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 11:53 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  Dak just isn’t the one IMO to guide a team to the SB.

Neither does anyone else. You keep posting it like its a unique view you have. Its not, its what everyone thinks.

Literally no one on earth thinks Dak is an elite QB who can will his team to a SB title.

But like a lot of other QB's he is good enough to win one if you have the right team around him.

The Cowboys have won the second most games in the NFL the last 2 years. 25 wins including a playoff win over the last 2 years. They are very close, closer than most teams in the NFL. They got better in 2021 and got better again in 2022. If they get better again in 2023 they may finally break through.

Never said it was a unique view. You keep jumping to conclusions
I said IMO Dak isn’t the QB that’s going to guide a team to the SB. That’s it. You and I disagree. I have been right so far and am pretty sure that will be the case moving forward. If and when Dak does prove me wrong, I’ll come back and eat crow.

(03-20-2023 12:29 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 12:12 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 11:53 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  Dak just isn’t the one IMO to guide a team to the SB.

Neither does anyone else. You keep posting it like its a unique view you have. Its not, its what everyone thinks.

Literally no one on earth thinks Dak is an elite QB who can will his team to a SB title.

But like a lot of other QB's he is good enough to win one if you have the right team around him.

The Cowboys have won the second most games in the NFL the last 2 years. 25 wins including a playoff win over the last 2 years. They are very close, closer than most teams in the NFL. They got better in 2021 and got better again in 2022. If they get better again in 2023 they may finally break through.

Never said it was a unique view. You keep jumping to conclusions
I said IMO Dak isn’t the QB that’s going to guide a team to the SB. That’s it. You and I disagree. I have been right so far and am pretty sure that will be the case moving forward. If and when Dak does prove me wrong, I’ll come back and eat crow.

Yep, I like Dak but he's not likely the guy to win a SB. CLOSE, yes because of the talent on this Dallas team but not likely a SB winner IMO because he's shown several times he can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

(03-20-2023 01:01 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 12:29 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 12:12 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 11:53 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  Dak just isn’t the one IMO to guide a team to the SB.

Neither does anyone else. You keep posting it like its a unique view you have. Its not, its what everyone thinks.

Literally no one on earth thinks Dak is an elite QB who can will his team to a SB title.

But like a lot of other QB's he is good enough to win one if you have the right team around him.

The Cowboys have won the second most games in the NFL the last 2 years. 25 wins including a playoff win over the last 2 years. They are very close, closer than most teams in the NFL. They got better in 2021 and got better again in 2022. If they get better again in 2023 they may finally break through.

Never said it was a unique view. You keep jumping to conclusions
I said IMO Dak isn’t the QB that’s going to guide a team to the SB. That’s it. You and I disagree. I have been right so far and am pretty sure that will be the case moving forward. If and when Dak does prove me wrong, I’ll come back and eat crow.

Yep, I like Dak but he's not likely the guy to win a SB. CLOSE, yes because of the talent on this Dallas team but not likely a SB winner IMO because he's shown several times he can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Guys, if Trent Dilfer, Joe Flacco and and Nick Foles can, so can Dak Prescott. You know how many times those guys blew a game in crunch time? About a gazillion.

Dak is decidedly better than at least 2 of those guys and miles better than Manning was his last season when they won it. Peyton could hardly even throw a forward pass do to injury.

I'd trade him in a heartbeat for a top 5 QB, but the chances the right one becomes avaible are microscopic.

If you put a strong enough defense and enough weapons around Dak on offense OF COURSE he can win one. Its just silly and biased to say he can't when QB's a lot worse than him already have, including recent times.

This trade for Brandin Cooks is the best thing that could happen for Tony Pollard. With Amari Cooper gone, the cowboys had no true deep threat all last year, no one to really stretch the D and take the top off. For all CeeDee Lambs talents, he is not a speed burner like Cooks.

Last year opposing defenses never had to worry about the deep threat, they just stacked the box because the cowboys were a run first team with no real deep threat.

You add a playmaker with speed like Cooks to CeeDee Lamb and Tony Pollard and you have seriously upgraded your offense. Teams are not going to want to stack the box so much now, which will open up things for Pollard even more both running and recieving.

Also the cowboys don't have to burn their 1st round pick on a WR or a CB now, which looked like a must a week ago. They can now take another OL (more good news for Pollard), a TE, a defensive lineman or LB. All kinds of options now.

(03-20-2023 01:31 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 01:01 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 12:29 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 12:12 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 11:53 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  Dak just isn’t the one IMO to guide a team to the SB.

Neither does anyone else. You keep posting it like its a unique view you have. Its not, its what everyone thinks.

Literally no one on earth thinks Dak is an elite QB who can will his team to a SB title.

But like a lot of other QB's he is good enough to win one if you have the right team around him.

The Cowboys have won the second most games in the NFL the last 2 years. 25 wins including a playoff win over the last 2 years. They are very close, closer than most teams in the NFL. They got better in 2021 and got better again in 2022. If they get better again in 2023 they may finally break through.

Never said it was a unique view. You keep jumping to conclusions
I said IMO Dak isn’t the QB that’s going to guide a team to the SB. That’s it. You and I disagree. I have been right so far and am pretty sure that will be the case moving forward. If and when Dak does prove me wrong, I’ll come back and eat crow.

Yep, I like Dak but he's not likely the guy to win a SB. CLOSE, yes because of the talent on this Dallas team but not likely a SB winner IMO because he's shown several times he can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Guys, if Trent Dilfer, Joe Flacco and and Nick Foles, so can Dak Prescott. You know how many times those guys blew a game in crunch time? About a gazillion.

Dak is decidedly better than at least 2 of those guys and miles better than Manning was his last season when they won it. Peyton could hardly even throw a forward pass do ti injury.

I'd trade him in a heartbeat for a top 5 QB, but the chances the right one becomes avaible are microscopic.

If you put a strong enough defense and enough weapons around Dak on offense OF COURSE he can win one. Its just silly and biased to say he can't when QB's a lot worse than him already have, including recent times.

I agree Dak CAN win a SB with the right mix of talent & game breaks - as you said lesser QBs have but I just think it is "not likely".

(03-20-2023 04:15 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  I agree Dak CAN win a SB with the right mix of talent & game breaks - as you said lesser QBs have but I just think it is "not likely".

That's why we all want that elite top 5 QB.

Doesn’t have to be a top 5 QB. Stafford isn’t one but is a helluva leader and a better decision maker than Dak in crunch time.

(03-20-2023 02:15 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  This trade for Brandin Cooks is the best thing that could happen for Tony Pollard. With Amari Cooper gone, the cowboys had no true deep threat all last year, no one to really stretch the D and take the top off. For all CeeDee Lambs talents, he is not a speed burner like Cooks.

Last year opposing defenses never had to worry about the deep threat, they just stacked the box because the cowboys were a run first team with no real deep threat.

You add a playmaker with speed like Cooks to CeeDee Lamb and Tony Pollard and you have seriously upgraded your offense. Teams are not going to want to stack the box so much now, which will open up things for Pollard even more both running and recieving.

Also the cowboys don't have to burn their 1st round pick on a WR or a CB now, which looked like a must a week ago. They can now take another OL (more good news for Pollard), a TE, a defensive lineman or LB. All kinds of options now.

Nice move for the Cowboys. Cooks was being wasted in Houston IMO.

(03-20-2023 05:59 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 02:15 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  This trade for Brandin Cooks is the best thing that could happen for Tony Pollard. With Amari Cooper gone, the cowboys had no true deep threat all last year, no one to really stretch the D and take the top off. For all CeeDee Lambs talents, he is not a speed burner like Cooks.

Last year opposing defenses never had to worry about the deep threat, they just stacked the box because the cowboys were a run first team with no real deep threat.

You add a playmaker with speed like Cooks to CeeDee Lamb and Tony Pollard and you have seriously upgraded your offense. Teams are not going to want to stack the box so much now, which will open up things for Pollard even more both running and recieving.

Also the cowboys don't have to burn their 1st round pick on a WR or a CB now, which looked like a must a week ago. They can now take another OL (more good news for Pollard), a TE, a defensive lineman or LB. All kinds of options now.

Nice move for the Cowboys. Cooks was being wasted in Houston IMO.

And maybe pickup a 3rd & 3 RB from a trade or free agency to ensure TP doesn't have to be an every down back

(03-20-2023 08:21 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 05:59 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 02:15 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  This trade for Brandin Cooks is the best thing that could happen for Tony Pollard. With Amari Cooper gone, the cowboys had no true deep threat all last year, no one to really stretch the D and take the top off. For all CeeDee Lambs talents, he is not a speed burner like Cooks.

Last year opposing defenses never had to worry about the deep threat, they just stacked the box because the cowboys were a run first team with no real deep threat.

You add a playmaker with speed like Cooks to CeeDee Lamb and Tony Pollard and you have seriously upgraded your offense. Teams are not going to want to stack the box so much now, which will open up things for Pollard even more both running and recieving.

Also the cowboys don't have to burn their 1st round pick on a WR or a CB now, which looked like a must a week ago. They can now take another OL (more good news for Pollard), a TE, a defensive lineman or LB. All kinds of options now.

Nice move for the Cowboys. Cooks was being wasted in Houston IMO.

And maybe pickup a 3rd & 3 RB from a trade or free agency to ensure TP doesn't have to be an every down back

Yep. A player that caught my eye in FA is Kareem Hunt. Dallas might be a better fit for him than Cleveland has been. But I don't know what they are trying to spend on an RB.

Pollard being the featured back, another year of experience for Lamb, trading for Cooks, improving the D with Gilmore, another year of solid draft picks- it all is very exciting for Cowboy fans...............








until we realize that Dak is still the QB and he absolutely sucks.

(03-21-2023 07:27 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Pollard being the featured back, another year of experience for Lamb, trading for Cooks, improving the D with Gilmore, another year of solid draft picks- it all is very exciting for Cowboy fans...............








until we realize that Dak is still the QB and he absolutely sucks.

Lol

Dak has his issues but he most certainly does not suck. That is just haterade talking.

Cowboys have signed former Bucs and Chiefs RB Ronald Jones to pair with Tony Pollard.

Sounds like a good pickup. I haven't watched much of him, but from that little bit I think he's the type of compliment I was envisioning for Tony.

(03-21-2023 11:38 PM)Alanda Wrote:  Sounds like a good pickup. I haven't watched much of him, but from that little bit I think he's the type of compliment I was envisioning for Tony.

Agreed.

And rumor is they may sign or draft another back as well.

DAK is average at best, but he’s average and rich