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RE: Is the ACC doomed in 2036?
(03-19-2023 05:56 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  
(03-14-2023 01:47 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  13 years is a long time to try to predict what’s going to happen. Using today’s paradigm I can see where it might be easy to think The ACC is dead at the end of the contract. I for one don’t see how anything has changed.

Too many here are listening to The Big 12 fan boys celebrate a big nothing.

The Big 12 signed a contract with Fox / ESPN that puts them on hold for a few years for little escalation. That 5 or 6 year contract doesn’t make The Big 12 safe in 2032 or whatever year it expires. The contract serves as a placeholder for ESPN. It serves the same purpose the LHN did for ESPN the last media cycle. The only difference is ESPN got Fox to help pay for keeping The Big 12 on the string.

The Big 12 is presently celebrating getting more money than they expected to get without Texas and Oklahoma. I can see why Cincinnati, UCF, Houston and BYU are happy. From their perspective that’s a big step up. You’ll never hear the any of the 6 original Big 12 leftovers, WVU and TCU complain but they can’t be happy. Big 12 fans are so busy celebrating their contract, they haven’t stopped long enough to think that ESPN didn’t see the conference valuable enough to invest in a linear network with them a decade ago and they don’t believe the conference is valuable enough to pay for all of its content now.

Think about that. Fox wholly carries The Big Ten. NBC wholly carries Notre Dame and ESPN wholly carries The SEC and The ACC. The only conference that shares its rights between two entities is The Big 12. It looks like The PAC will be in the same situation. The Big 12 is smugly looking down its nose at The PAC not realizing they’re in the same boat. If a broadcast partner sees value in your rights product they don’t share the rights.

I still believe ESPN has bigger plans for The ACC. The ACC is still going to make more money than The Big 12 and still be solidly #3. The ACC contract is back loaded that’s been known for years.

It’s easy to see FSU complain about money. They complained back in 2011 and still signed the original ACC GOR in 2013 and the ACC GOR extension in 2016. My point is everyone can complain but it doesn’t mean schools won’t sign the next contract. Personally I hope every university complains.

I’ve said it for the last year. There are going to be some disappointed fans come 2036. They’ll be packing their bags for The SEC or The Big Ten but won’t be going anywhere.

So no I don’t see The ACC as doomed. I did until I saw the contract numbers on what The Big 12 got. That contract shows ESPN’s value to that conference is just above The AAC but still well below The ACC. The Big 12 got go away money from ESPN.

If ESPN facilitates the movement of ACC teams to The SEC in 2037, I’m confident The ACC will have a choice of what Big 12 / PAC teams to add. I still don’t believe we’re guaranteed to see that happen though.

Really a good post and great perspective.

One small knit. Fox doesn’t wholly carry the Big Ten. The Big Ten’s media package is light years ahead of all other college conferences. Their new media package will strategically distribute content, similar to the NFL. If media payouts continue their trajectory, the Big Ten is best positioned to take advantage.

We'll see. One of the reasons they are having to expand is to cover inventory demands. For the original 14 it was super thin on content value by the time picks were spread between CBS/NBC/and FOX. USC and UCLA helps and with time zones, but they'll add at least 2 more IMO, and that will help them essentially fill their order. The SEC's contract includes ABC for prime time exposure on a traditional network and of course the multiple ESPN platforms and the SECN. Remember part of the money in the Big 10 contract was the extra 10% of the Big Ten Network FOX purchased. FOX now holds 61% and the Big Ten 39%. Their rate is less than the SECN and ACCN and they get less of it now.
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RE: Is the ACC doomed in 2036?
Sorry if this is a repeat, don't have time to read through the thread.

The ACC under paid. ESPN has money to pay properly. ESPN has more money for every conference.

The ACC is not likely doomed. Presently, ESPEN owns the SECN and the ACCN, a total of 30 schools/properties. Fox owns the BTN, less than 20. probably around 20 if they take a couple more west coast teams. Both the SEC and the ACC make ESPN money. It is bad business to get rid of profit streams. It is worse business to give the profit streams to a direct competitor. If the ACC collapses, the BTN is the primary beneficiary.

Sure, the B1G will want UNC, UVA and GATech, academically the best fits. But why bot grab the northeast since ESPN is stupid an giving up the northeast? Lock it down. Why not grab a few in the south east and compete with ESPN in their own territory? Sure the SEC can take a few schools, presumably FSU, VATech, NCState and someone else.

Under this "hot take" ESPN is going to give up a profit stream to a competitor, which makes zero business sense. Give up the entire northeast to the Fox, locking ESPN out of NYC and other major eastern markets. Allow the B1G to enter their southern territory to compete with their perceived "golden egg" the SEC. Thus the score is now ESPN with 20 schools and one conference generating money and Fox with on gigantic conference and about 30 schools.

Further, if the B1G wants ND, they have to take Stanford as one of the west coast teams. And they likely need 6-8 ACC teams to appease ND because ND wants to play several places along the east coast, not be stuck in a few. Lots of Catholics on the east coast, lost of cities. ND recruits actual Catholic kids as students (what a concept, recruiting real students not just athletes!) which means they need Pitt, SU, and BC, along with UNC, UVA, GATech, probably Miami and someone else. This assumes Navy is not included in the B1G.

In short, ESPN is a business and makes money. The Mickey Mouse Network makes money. Neither likes to lose money. Neither will just give it away, especially to a competitor without something big in return. Have fun with the speculators and talking heads, unless the money really works, no one is leaving.

And for the moron who thinks he figured out how the ACC will be folded by four teams, don't forget that ESPN is a party to the GOR contract. They have the rights to show each team's home games no matter what they do. It's not as easy as some people think to break the GOR. It cost UT and OU more than double for a one year exit. It will cost each ACC team more than double to break the GOR, the precedent is set. More than $1BB to leave is not happening especially if the gaining conference cannot show the games until 2037.

Talk is cheap, and facts don't get in the way. Especially on the internet where posters are anonymous and lack liability for their comments. However, in the real world, facts are important.
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(03-19-2023 09:01 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  Sorry if this is a repeat, don't have time to read through the thread.

The ACC under paid. ESPN has money to pay properly. ESPN has more money for every conference.

The ACC is not likely doomed. Presently, ESPEN owns the SECN and the ACCN, a total of 30 schools/properties. Fox owns the BTN, less than 20. probably around 20 if they take a couple more west coast teams. Both the SEC and the ACC make ESPN money. It is bad business to get rid of profit streams. It is worse business to give the profit streams to a direct competitor. If the ACC collapses, the BTN is the primary beneficiary.

Sure, the B1G will want UNC, UVA and GATech, academically the best fits. But why bot grab the northeast since ESPN is stupid an giving up the northeast? Lock it down. Why not grab a few in the south east and compete with ESPN in their own territory? Sure the SEC can take a few schools, presumably FSU, VATech, NCState and someone else.

Under this "hot take" ESPN is going to give up a profit stream to a competitor, which makes zero business sense. Give up the entire northeast to the Fox, locking ESPN out of NYC and other major eastern markets. Allow the B1G to enter their southern territory to compete with their perceived "golden egg" the SEC. Thus the score is now ESPN with 20 schools and one conference generating money and Fox with on gigantic conference and about 30 schools.

Further, if the B1G wants ND, they have to take Stanford as one of the west coast teams. And they likely need 6-8 ACC teams to appease ND because ND wants to play several places along the east coast, not be stuck in a few. Lots of Catholics on the east coast, lost of cities. ND recruits actual Catholic kids as students (what a concept, recruiting real students not just athletes!) which means they need Pitt, SU, and BC, along with UNC, UVA, GATech, probably Miami and someone else. This assumes Navy is not included in the B1G.

In short, ESPN is a business and makes money. The Mickey Mouse Network makes money. Neither likes to lose money. Neither will just give it away, especially to a competitor without something big in return. Have fun with the speculators and talking heads, unless the money really works, no one is leaving.

And for the moron who thinks he figured out how the ACC will be folded by four teams, don't forget that ESPN is a party to the GOR contract. They have the rights to show each team's home games no matter what they do. It's not as easy as some people think to break the GOR. It cost UT and OU more than double for a one year exit. It will cost each ACC team more than double to break the GOR, the precedent is set. More than $1BB to leave is not happening especially if the gaining conference cannot show the games until 2037.

Talk is cheap, and facts don't get in the way. Especially on the internet where posters are anonymous and lack liability for their comments. However, in the real world, facts are important.

Please tell us the reasons why the B1G has to take Stanford in order to land ND. This topic has been well covered. It plays no factor in luring the Irish anywhere. Perhaps you're confusing them with USC - who is THE rival out west for ND. And the B1G already has them. If anything, ND would worry about not having sufficient tentacles in the Southeast if it joined the B1G.
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(03-20-2023 07:53 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  
(03-19-2023 09:01 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  Sorry if this is a repeat, don't have time to read through the thread.

The ACC under paid. ESPN has money to pay properly. ESPN has more money for every conference.

The ACC is not likely doomed. Presently, ESPEN owns the SECN and the ACCN, a total of 30 schools/properties. Fox owns the BTN, less than 20. probably around 20 if they take a couple more west coast teams. Both the SEC and the ACC make ESPN money. It is bad business to get rid of profit streams. It is worse business to give the profit streams to a direct competitor. If the ACC collapses, the BTN is the primary beneficiary.

Sure, the B1G will want UNC, UVA and GATech, academically the best fits. But why bot grab the northeast since ESPN is stupid an giving up the northeast? Lock it down. Why not grab a few in the south east and compete with ESPN in their own territory? Sure the SEC can take a few schools, presumably FSU, VATech, NCState and someone else.

Under this "hot take" ESPN is going to give up a profit stream to a competitor, which makes zero business sense. Give up the entire northeast to the Fox, locking ESPN out of NYC and other major eastern markets. Allow the B1G to enter their southern territory to compete with their perceived "golden egg" the SEC. Thus the score is now ESPN with 20 schools and one conference generating money and Fox with on gigantic conference and about 30 schools.

Further, if the B1G wants ND, they have to take Stanford as one of the west coast teams. And they likely need 6-8 ACC teams to appease ND because ND wants to play several places along the east coast, not be stuck in a few. Lots of Catholics on the east coast, lost of cities. ND recruits actual Catholic kids as students (what a concept, recruiting real students not just athletes!) which means they need Pitt, SU, and BC, along with UNC, UVA, GATech, probably Miami and someone else. This assumes Navy is not included in the B1G.

In short, ESPN is a business and makes money. The Mickey Mouse Network makes money. Neither likes to lose money. Neither will just give it away, especially to a competitor without something big in return. Have fun with the speculators and talking heads, unless the money really works, no one is leaving.

And for the moron who thinks he figured out how the ACC will be folded by four teams, don't forget that ESPN is a party to the GOR contract. They have the rights to show each team's home games no matter what they do. It's not as easy as some people think to break the GOR. It cost UT and OU more than double for a one year exit. It will cost each ACC team more than double to break the GOR, the precedent is set. More than $1BB to leave is not happening especially if the gaining conference cannot show the games until 2037.

Talk is cheap, and facts don't get in the way. Especially on the internet where posters are anonymous and lack liability for their comments. However, in the real world, facts are important.

Please tell us the reasons why the B1G has to take Stanford in order to land ND. This topic has been well covered. It plays no factor in luring the Irish anywhere. Perhaps you're confusing them with USC - who is THE rival out west for ND. And the B1G already has them. If anything, ND would worry about not having sufficient tentacles in the Southeast if it joined the B1G.

ND likes to end each season in California for recruiting purposes.

It has been doing that since it began playing Stanford annually in 1991 or so. That complimented USC very well on the schedule.

Stanford's "value" to ND is in my first sentence above, it allows ND to have a California away game every other year to rotate with USC.

That is it. End. No "lure" or "bait" or "rival" or anything else. It is simply an opponent, which is how ND views most schools. Fungible if necessary.

ND could very easily switch to a home/home with Cal or San Diego State, if required.
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(03-15-2023 07:22 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(03-15-2023 06:18 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  The ACC could have been the first to 16 teams. I find it ironic that ESPN did not find Rutgers valuable enough for the ACC to expand with, but to the B1G, it was a big market share to a lucrative BIG network. With Rutgers, there is a good chance UMd does not get the invite and the ACC retains them. The realignment madness is probably stunted and the ACC is in a better position than it was before.

I don’t think the ACCN was really outside of the incubation stage when the Big Ten made their move. Plus, it was like pulling teeth to add BC, much less Syracuse and Pitt.


Good point. ESPN was slow to help us launch the ACC network. I'd rather have it than not have it, but there's no question the delay cost us.
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Terry: Notre Dame surely would prefer Stanford over other schools in CA. Sure USC is #1 but isn't Stanford #2? I would think you have lots of alumni in the Bay Area.

Is Navy fungible at this point? I mean WW2 was a long time ago.
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(03-20-2023 08:41 AM)TerryD Wrote:  ND likes to end each season in California for recruiting purposes.

It has been doing that since it began playing Stanford annually in 1991 or so. That complimented USC very well on the schedule.

Stanford's "value" to ND is in my first sentence above, it allows ND to have a California away game every other year to rotate with USC.

That is it. End. No "lure" or "bait" or "rival" or anything else. It is simply an opponent, which is how ND views most schools. Fungible if necessary.

ND could very easily switch to a home/home with Cal or San Diego State, if required.

...or UCLA.

I do believe Notre Dame prefers to play other private schools (e.g. USC and Stanford), which is part of the ACC appeal. However, right now there aren't many privates playing at the highest level.

ACC shoulda grabbed USC and Stanford last year like I said, but they don't listen to me...
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(03-20-2023 02:09 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-20-2023 08:41 AM)TerryD Wrote:  ND likes to end each season in California for recruiting purposes.

It has been doing that since it began playing Stanford annually in 1991 or so. That complimented USC very well on the schedule.

Stanford's "value" to ND is in my first sentence above, it allows ND to have a California away game every other year to rotate with USC.

That is it. End. No "lure" or "bait" or "rival" or anything else. It is simply an opponent, which is how ND views most schools. Fungible if necessary.

ND could very easily switch to a home/home with Cal or San Diego State, if required.

...or UCLA.

I do believe Notre Dame prefers to play other private schools (e.g. USC and Stanford), which is part of the ACC appeal. However, right now there aren't many privates playing at the highest level.

ACC shoulda grabbed USC and Stanford last year like I said, but they don't listen to me...

Let's see......Phillips started talking about moving the ACC offices to Charlotte just about the time you moved to Greensboro. Maybe he was just trying to get away from you.
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(03-20-2023 12:06 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Terry: Notre Dame surely would prefer Stanford over other schools in CA. Sure USC is #1 but isn't Stanford #2? I would think you have lots of alumni in the Bay Area.

Is Navy fungible at this point? I mean WW2 was a long time ago.


As XLance is fond of pointing out, Stanford is not on ND's schedule after 2026.

I am just saying that people who think "School X" (Pitt, BC, USC, Stanford, whomever) is a "lure" for ND football to join a conference are clueless.

No school is going to move the needle for ND on that issue. If ND decides it is in its best interests to join a conference, it will.

If it decides that staying independent is better for it, it will stay that way.

Adding "School X" to a conference as a means of "luring" ND to join is pyrite.

What is the difference to ND, really, whether its Stanford or Cal or San Diego State to end the year in California every other season ?

Its not a choice between Alabama and Rutgers. Those schools all would do about the same job for ND as an opponent.

P.S. If it were up to me, Navy would have been fungible decades ago. That debt has been repaid a dozen fold.
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(03-20-2023 02:58 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(03-20-2023 12:06 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Terry: Notre Dame surely would prefer Stanford over other schools in CA. Sure USC is #1 but isn't Stanford #2? I would think you have lots of alumni in the Bay Area.

Is Navy fungible at this point? I mean WW2 was a long time ago.


As XLance is fond of pointing out, Stanford is not on ND's schedule after 2026.

I am just saying that people who think "School X" (Pitt, BC, USC, Stanford, whomever) is a "lure" for ND football to join a conference are clueless.

No school is going to move the needle for ND on that issue. If ND decides it is in its best interests to join a conference, it will.

If it decides that staying independent is better for it, it will stay that way.

Adding "School X" to a conference as a means of "luring" ND to join is pyrite.

What is the difference to ND, really, whether its Stanford or Cal or San Diego State to end the year in California every other season ?

Its not a choice between Alabama and Rutgers. Those schools all would do about the same job for ND as an opponent.

P.S. If it were up to me, Navy would have been fungible decades ago. That debt has been repaid a dozen fold.

Not that it won't be renewed Terry, but Navy is not on Notre Dame's schedule after 2032.
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(03-20-2023 03:05 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-20-2023 02:58 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(03-20-2023 12:06 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Terry: Notre Dame surely would prefer Stanford over other schools in CA. Sure USC is #1 but isn't Stanford #2? I would think you have lots of alumni in the Bay Area.

Is Navy fungible at this point? I mean WW2 was a long time ago.


As XLance is fond of pointing out, Stanford is not on ND's schedule after 2026.

I am just saying that people who think "School X" (Pitt, BC, USC, Stanford, whomever) is a "lure" for ND football to join a conference are clueless.

No school is going to move the needle for ND on that issue. If ND decides it is in its best interests to join a conference, it will.

If it decides that staying independent is better for it, it will stay that way.

Adding "School X" to a conference as a means of "luring" ND to join is pyrite.

What is the difference to ND, really, whether its Stanford or Cal or San Diego State to end the year in California every other season ?

Its not a choice between Alabama and Rutgers. Those schools all would do about the same job for ND as an opponent.

P.S. If it were up to me, Navy would have been fungible decades ago. That debt has been repaid a dozen fold.

Not that it won't be renewed Terry, but Navy is not on Notre Dame's schedule after 2032.

I know.
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As far as ending the season on the West Coast for recruiting, Arizona State, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, and Washington all fit the bill in addition to USC.

As Disraeli said about Britain - she has no permanent allies only permanent interests.
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(03-20-2023 06:30 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  As far as ending the season on the West Coast for recruiting, Arizona State, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, and Washington all fit the bill in addition to USC.

As Disraeli said about Britain - she has no permanent allies only permanent interests.


Absolutely correct. That describes how ND views the college athletics landscape.

Shift "allies" (Big East, ACC, SEC for playoff expansion, etc.) to serve the "permanent interest" (football independence).

Shift opponents when necessary to serve independence and recruiting.

If people don't think that opponents are fungible for ND, consider that ND dropped Michigan (and Michigan State and Purdue...annual opponents) like a bad habit when ND joined the ACC in 2013.

Who would voluntarily drop Michigan from its annual schedule?

Probably only ND.

ND doesn't play Michigan again until 2031.

Stanford doesn't matter all that much to ND.
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(03-20-2023 02:53 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-20-2023 02:09 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-20-2023 08:41 AM)TerryD Wrote:  ND likes to end each season in California for recruiting purposes.

It has been doing that since it began playing Stanford annually in 1991 or so. That complimented USC very well on the schedule.

Stanford's "value" to ND is in my first sentence above, it allows ND to have a California away game every other year to rotate with USC.

That is it. End. No "lure" or "bait" or "rival" or anything else. It is simply an opponent, which is how ND views most schools. Fungible if necessary.

ND could very easily switch to a home/home with Cal or San Diego State, if required.

...or UCLA.

I do believe Notre Dame prefers to play other private schools (e.g. USC and Stanford), which is part of the ACC appeal. However, right now there aren't many privates playing at the highest level.

ACC shoulda grabbed USC and Stanford last year like I said, but they don't listen to me...

Let's see......Phillips started talking about moving the ACC offices to Charlotte just about the time you moved to Greensboro. Maybe he was just trying to get away from you.

Clearly, this town ain't big enough for the both of us.
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(03-20-2023 07:42 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-20-2023 02:53 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-20-2023 02:09 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-20-2023 08:41 AM)TerryD Wrote:  ND likes to end each season in California for recruiting purposes.

It has been doing that since it began playing Stanford annually in 1991 or so. That complimented USC very well on the schedule.

Stanford's "value" to ND is in my first sentence above, it allows ND to have a California away game every other year to rotate with USC.

That is it. End. No "lure" or "bait" or "rival" or anything else. It is simply an opponent, which is how ND views most schools. Fungible if necessary.

ND could very easily switch to a home/home with Cal or San Diego State, if required.

...or UCLA.

I do believe Notre Dame prefers to play other private schools (e.g. USC and Stanford), which is part of the ACC appeal. However, right now there aren't many privates playing at the highest level.

ACC shoulda grabbed USC and Stanford last year like I said, but they don't listen to me...

Let's see......Phillips started talking about moving the ACC offices to Charlotte just about the time you moved to Greensboro. Maybe he was just trying to get away from you.

Clearly, this town ain't big enough for the both of us.

Obviously.
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(03-20-2023 07:52 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-20-2023 07:42 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-20-2023 02:53 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-20-2023 02:09 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-20-2023 08:41 AM)TerryD Wrote:  ND likes to end each season in California for recruiting purposes.

It has been doing that since it began playing Stanford annually in 1991 or so. That complimented USC very well on the schedule.

Stanford's "value" to ND is in my first sentence above, it allows ND to have a California away game every other year to rotate with USC.

That is it. End. No "lure" or "bait" or "rival" or anything else. It is simply an opponent, which is how ND views most schools. Fungible if necessary.

ND could very easily switch to a home/home with Cal or San Diego State, if required.

...or UCLA.

I do believe Notre Dame prefers to play other private schools (e.g. USC and Stanford), which is part of the ACC appeal. However, right now there aren't many privates playing at the highest level.

ACC shoulda grabbed USC and Stanford last year like I said, but they don't listen to me...

Let's see......Phillips started talking about moving the ACC offices to Charlotte just about the time you moved to Greensboro. Maybe he was just trying to get away from you.

Clearly, this town ain't big enough for the both of us.

Obviously.

We see who flinched first, too.
Could Phillips lead a pack of starving wolves to meat?
03-20-2023 09:13 PM
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