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MBB NIT: Rockets at UM
(03-15-2023 10:26 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
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(03-14-2023 05:51 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  Hope you're right. I can't see enough of this team. I'm ready to cuss out the refs.

BTW - Did the bald ref look familiar to any of you?

[Image: BG-misses-chance-to-share-MAC-West-title-with-loss.jpg]

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That's an interesting choice by the NIT/NCAA.


Haha — I actually thought it was one of the best officiated games we played this year. Wasn’t a whistle fest. Teams weren’t in the bonus minutes into the half. Wish we could get more of those types of games like last night when it comes to officiating.

There didn't seem to be a lot of defense from either team...that tends to lead to few fouls.


A lot of times with bad defense you can get a lot of reaching and grabbing that leads to calls. None of that last night. I really appreciate a well officiated game that doesn’t disrupt the flow.
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Floyd mostly does B1G games now. Used to be a popular MAC ref. Got too good.
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Prior to the Michigan game I looked at an 1983-84 BB Media Guide that I had saved. There was some mention during the year of comparing Bobby Nichols and K. I was interested in seeing how Nichols fared against both Michigan and Michigan State. Turns out we were 4-4 against Michigan and 2-2 against State. Interesting note: the 68-69 team that was 13-11, beat Michigan on a neutral court 89-76. For awhile there from 68-69 thru 79-80, we played them almost every year….some home and some away. In 71-72 we beat them in Ann Arbor and also in 77-78. To make a long story shorter, K is NO Nichols. Always giving some unrelated BS after loses and too often blaming the team for mistakes that he made as a coach. I don’t know what it is but I’ve never been a great fan of his and won’t lose any sleep if he decides to leave. BTW: he’s never beaten a Michigan team!
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(03-15-2023 10:35 AM)adunifon Wrote:  
(03-15-2023 10:26 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-15-2023 07:06 AM)adunifon Wrote:  
(03-15-2023 06:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-14-2023 05:51 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  Hope you're right. I can't see enough of this team. I'm ready to cuss out the refs.

BTW - Did the bald ref look familiar to any of you?

[Image: BG-misses-chance-to-share-MAC-West-title-with-loss.jpg]

03-rotfl

That's an interesting choice by the NIT/NCAA.


Haha — I actually thought it was one of the best officiated games we played this year. Wasn’t a whistle fest. Teams weren’t in the bonus minutes into the half. Wish we could get more of those types of games like last night when it comes to officiating.

There didn't seem to be a lot of defense from either team...that tends to lead to few fouls.


A lot of times with bad defense you can get a lot of reaching and grabbing that leads to calls. None of that last night. I really appreciate a well officiated game that doesn’t disrupt the flow.

I didn't say bad defense, I said NO defense...LOL.
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(03-15-2023 10:40 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Floyd mostly does B1G games now. Used to be a popular MAC ref. Got too good.

Speaking of B1G refs, THANK GOD Ted Valentine is no longer doing B1G games. He's now in the ACC...and he's still horrible. Saw him butcher several calls in the first Miami ACC Tourney game.
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(03-15-2023 11:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-15-2023 10:40 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Floyd mostly does B1G games now. Used to be a popular MAC ref. Got too good.

Speaking of B1G refs, THANK GOD Ted Valentine is no longer doing B1G games. He's now in the ACC...and he's still horrible. Saw him butcher several calls in the first Miami ACC Tourney game.


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(03-15-2023 11:43 AM)Somersetco Wrote:  Prior to the Michigan game I looked at an 1983-84 BB Media Guide that I had saved. There was some mention during the year of comparing Bobby Nichols and K. I was interested in seeing how Nichols fared against both Michigan and Michigan State. Turns out we were 4-4 against Michigan and 2-2 against State. Interesting note: the 68-69 team that was 13-11, beat Michigan on a neutral court 89-76. For awhile there from 68-69 thru 79-80, we played them almost every year….some home and some away. In 71-72 we beat them in Ann Arbor and also in 77-78. To make a long story shorter, K is NO Nichols. Always giving some unrelated BS after loses and too often blaming the team for mistakes that he made as a coach. I don’t know what it is but I’ve never been a great fan of his and won’t lose any sleep if he decides to leave. BTW: he’s never beaten a Michigan team!

Right on all accounts, fans are numb to his #$%#@# interviews. UT recruits itself.. he thinks he is doing something masterful. these young fans would #@%$@ their pants if they saw Tom Kozelko or Dick Miller let alone Mix, Brisker or Stempin all broad shouldered athletic bad #@#$#& 's.... yes they beat many top teams from top leagues , Nic had relationships with many coaches who would watch UT practice and meet with Nic therefor schedule the Rockets... and never recall him calling out players to the press, he would take blame on losses after all he was the coach.. he lost his edge in the mid 80's and was far from perfect but damn we were rough and tough for 2 decades
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(03-15-2023 06:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-14-2023 05:51 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  Hope you're right. I can't see enough of this team. I'm ready to cuss out the refs.

BTW - Did the bald ref look familiar to any of you?

[Image: BG-misses-chance-to-share-MAC-West-title-with-loss.jpg]

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That's an interesting choice by the NIT/NCAA.

John Floyd. He works out at the Orangetheory Fitness studio in Levis Commons (Perrysburg) where I go. He’s probably the fittest guy there. The BG AD and women’s BB coach are members as well. All great people and there’s a good mix of UT and BG members at the studio. If anyone is looking for a kickass workout give Orangetheory a try.
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(03-15-2023 04:45 PM)Kid Rocket Wrote:  
(03-15-2023 11:43 AM)Somersetco Wrote:  Prior to the Michigan game I looked at an 1983-84 BB Media Guide that I had saved. There was some mention during the year of comparing Bobby Nichols and K. I was interested in seeing how Nichols fared against both Michigan and Michigan State. Turns out we were 4-4 against Michigan and 2-2 against State. Interesting note: the 68-69 team that was 13-11, beat Michigan on a neutral court 89-76. For awhile there from 68-69 thru 79-80, we played them almost every year….some home and some away. In 71-72 we beat them in Ann Arbor and also in 77-78. To make a long story shorter, K is NO Nichols. Always giving some unrelated BS after loses and too often blaming the team for mistakes that he made as a coach. I don’t know what it is but I’ve never been a great fan of his and won’t lose any sleep if he decides to leave. BTW: he’s never beaten a Michigan team!

Right on all accounts, fans are numb to his #$%#@# interviews. UT recruits itself.. he thinks he is doing something masterful. these young fans would #@%$@ their pants if they saw Tom Kozelko or Dick Miller let alone Mix, Brisker or Stempin all broad shouldered athletic bad #@#$#& 's.... yes they beat many top teams from top leagues , Nic had relationships with many coaches who would watch UT practice and meet with Nic therefor schedule the Rockets... and never recall him calling out players to the press, he would take blame on losses after all he was the coach.. he lost his edge in the mid 80's and was far from perfect but damn we were rough and tough for 2 decades

Keep making yourself look like an idiot...
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(03-15-2023 11:43 AM)Somersetco Wrote:  Prior to the Michigan game I looked at an 1983-84 BB Media Guide that I had saved. There was some mention during the year of comparing Bobby Nichols and K. I was interested in seeing how Nichols fared against both Michigan and Michigan State. Turns out we were 4-4 against Michigan and 2-2 against State. Interesting note: the 68-69 team that was 13-11, beat Michigan on a neutral court 89-76. For awhile there from 68-69 thru 79-80, we played them almost every year….some home and some away. In 71-72 we beat them in Ann Arbor and also in 77-78. To make a long story shorter, K is NO Nichols. Always giving some unrelated BS after loses and too often blaming the team for mistakes that he made as a coach. I don’t know what it is but I’ve never been a great fan of his and won’t lose any sleep if he decides to leave. BTW: he’s never beaten a Michigan team!

Totally different era. There are hundreds of more DI basketball schools that were once DII, DIII or NAIA. Who in the 1960's ever heard of Bryant, Campbell, Winthrop, Elon, Stonehill or Wofford? Players like Mix would end up in the MAC because it was one of the few "DI" conferences at the time. Now these "small" schools siphon off players.
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(03-15-2023 11:43 AM)Somersetco Wrote:  Prior to the Michigan game I looked at an 1983-84 BB Media Guide that I had saved. There was some mention during the year of comparing Bobby Nichols and K. I was interested in seeing how Nichols fared against both Michigan and Michigan State. Turns out we were 4-4 against Michigan and 2-2 against State. Interesting note: the 68-69 team that was 13-11, beat Michigan on a neutral court 89-76. For awhile there from 68-69 thru 79-80, we played them almost every year….some home and some away. In 71-72 we beat them in Ann Arbor and also in 77-78. To make a long story shorter, K is NO Nichols. Always giving some unrelated BS after loses and too often blaming the team for mistakes that he made as a coach. I don’t know what it is but I’ve never been a great fan of his and won’t lose any sleep if he decides to leave. BTW: he’s never beaten a Michigan team!

Right on all accounts, fans are numb to his #$%#@# interviews. UT recruits itself.. he thinks he is doing something masterful. these young fans would #@%$@ their pants if they saw Tom Kozelko or Dick Miller let alone Mix, Brisker or Stempin all broad shouldered athletic bad #@#$#& 's.... yes they beat many top teams from top leagues , Nic had relationships with many coaches who would watch UT practice and meet with Nic therefor schedule the Rockets... and never recall him calling out players to the press, he would take blame on losses after all he was the coach.. he lost his edge in the mid 80's and was far from perfect but damn we were rough and tough for 2 decades

Keep making yourself look like an idiot...

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(03-15-2023 06:42 PM)Kid Rocket Wrote:  
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(03-15-2023 11:43 AM)Somersetco Wrote:  Prior to the Michigan game I looked at an 1983-84 BB Media Guide that I had saved. There was some mention during the year of comparing Bobby Nichols and K. I was interested in seeing how Nichols fared against both Michigan and Michigan State. Turns out we were 4-4 against Michigan and 2-2 against State. Interesting note: the 68-69 team that was 13-11, beat Michigan on a neutral court 89-76. For awhile there from 68-69 thru 79-80, we played them almost every year….some home and some away. In 71-72 we beat them in Ann Arbor and also in 77-78. To make a long story shorter, K is NO Nichols. Always giving some unrelated BS after loses and too often blaming the team for mistakes that he made as a coach. I don’t know what it is but I’ve never been a great fan of his and won’t lose any sleep if he decides to leave. BTW: he’s never beaten a Michigan team!

Right on all accounts, fans are numb to his #$%#@# interviews. UT recruits itself.. he thinks he is doing something masterful. these young fans would #@%$@ their pants if they saw Tom Kozelko or Dick Miller let alone Mix, Brisker or Stempin all broad shouldered athletic bad #@#$#& 's.... yes they beat many top teams from top leagues , Nic had relationships with many coaches who would watch UT practice and meet with Nic therefor schedule the Rockets... and never recall him calling out players to the press, he would take blame on losses after all he was the coach.. he lost his edge in the mid 80's and was far from perfect but damn we were rough and tough for 2 decades

Keep making yourself look like an idiot...

thanks varsity cheerleader coach. We appreciate your positivity. TK probably home crying about comments on this board... then counts his money

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(03-15-2023 04:45 PM)Kid Rocket Wrote:  
(03-15-2023 11:43 AM)Somersetco Wrote:  Prior to the Michigan game I looked at an 1983-84 BB Media Guide that I had saved. There was some mention during the year of comparing Bobby Nichols and K. I was interested in seeing how Nichols fared against both Michigan and Michigan State. Turns out we were 4-4 against Michigan and 2-2 against State. Interesting note: the 68-69 team that was 13-11, beat Michigan on a neutral court 89-76. For awhile there from 68-69 thru 79-80, we played them almost every year….some home and some away. In 71-72 we beat them in Ann Arbor and also in 77-78. To make a long story shorter, K is NO Nichols. Always giving some unrelated BS after loses and too often blaming the team for mistakes that he made as a coach. I don’t know what it is but I’ve never been a great fan of his and won’t lose any sleep if he decides to leave. BTW: he’s never beaten a Michigan team!

Right on all accounts, fans are numb to his #$%#@# interviews. UT recruits itself.. he thinks he is doing something masterful. these young fans would #@%$@ their pants if they saw Tom Kozelko or Dick Miller let alone Mix, Brisker or Stempin all broad shouldered athletic bad #@#$#& 's.... yes they beat many top teams from top leagues , Nic had relationships with many coaches who would watch UT practice and meet with Nic therefor schedule the Rockets... and never recall him calling out players to the press, he would take blame on losses after all he was the coach.. he lost his edge in the mid 80's and was far from perfect but damn we were rough and tough for 2 decades

When comparing Nichols to TK, something to keep in mind is how getting to the NCAA Tournament from the MAC has changed. Nichols just needed to win the regular season championship for 2 of his 3 NCAA appearances since there was no MAC Tournament at the time. If all TK had to do to get to the Big Dance was win the regular season championship, he would have 3 straight NCAA appearances right now. When Nichols won the first MAC Tournament in 1980, he just had to win 2 games, not the 3 games that TK has to win now.
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Yes I am tired of his interviews, his players didn't have bad games... they played as hard as they could and were tired against a team better than them. Kent was quick, long, talented, tough and seemingly wanted UT extra bad. They closed off lanes and helped and closed out on shooters very well. KSU played loose, were just better...I don't want hear that some UT kids didn't play well ... TK could have called more to's when Kent was dunking balls off our heads, subbed more in second half, developed Edu more, played a half court zone more this year readying for Kent, recruited bigger players...

While I'm at it.. TK is the coach of UT and with that is a 44 year NCAA drought and he is a part of that, of course it's not these players problem, it's his problem...fans want the relevance, exposure of being in the tournament.
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I'm very appreciative of TK as our head coach. Lots of wins and he represents our University with first-class. That said, I cringe at the thought of yet another completely separate banner (consolidate!!) highlighting our NIT 1st round season. Four straight NIT first round exits is really bad, no? Also, his out-of-conference scheduling is rather abysmal, while we're on the topic of TK.
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(03-15-2023 07:46 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  ...Also, his out-of-conference scheduling is rather abysmal, while we're on the topic of TK.

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(03-15-2023 11:43 AM)Somersetco Wrote:  Prior to the Michigan game I looked at an 1983-84 BB Media Guide that I had saved. There was some mention during the year of comparing Bobby Nichols and K. I was interested in seeing how Nichols fared against both Michigan and Michigan State. Turns out we were 4-4 against Michigan and 2-2 against State. Interesting note: the 68-69 team that was 13-11, beat Michigan on a neutral court 89-76. For awhile there from 68-69 thru 79-80, we played them almost every year….some home and some away. In 71-72 we beat them in Ann Arbor and also in 77-78. To make a long story shorter, K is NO Nichols. Always giving some unrelated BS after loses and too often blaming the team for mistakes that he made as a coach. I don’t know what it is but I’ve never been a great fan of his and won’t lose any sleep if he decides to leave. BTW: he’s never beaten a Michigan team!

Right on all accounts, fans are numb to his #$%#@# interviews. UT recruits itself.. he thinks he is doing something masterful. these young fans would #@%$@ their pants if they saw Tom Kozelko or Dick Miller let alone Mix, Brisker or Stempin all broad shouldered athletic bad #@#$#& 's.... yes they beat many top teams from top leagues , Nic had relationships with many coaches who would watch UT practice and meet with Nic therefor schedule the Rockets... and never recall him calling out players to the press, he would take blame on losses after all he was the coach.. he lost his edge in the mid 80's and was far from perfect but damn we were rough and tough for 2 decades

When comparing Nichols to TK, something to keep in mind is how getting to the NCAA Tournament from the MAC has changed. Nichols just needed to win the regular season championship for 2 of his 3 NCAA appearances since there was no MAC Tournament at the time. If all TK had to do to get to the Big Dance was win the regular season championship, he would have 3 straight NCAA appearances right now. When Nichols won the first MAC Tournament in 1980, he just had to win 2 games, not the 3 games that TK has to win now.

That's not a fair way to put it - that "all" Nichols had to do was win the regular season championship. You could just as easily say that "all" K has to do is win three games in Cleveland. In either case, only one team in the conference goes to the dance. For 43 years, that one team has not been Toledo. During Nichols' tenure, that one team sometimes was Toledo. Also, the one year he won the tournament, he only had to play two games, but those were the games against the best teams. The first-round games in an eight-team format aren't generally the problem. If K's teams won the tournament every time they got past the first round (or half the time), we would all be pretty happy.
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(03-15-2023 08:05 PM)Lester Wrote:  
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(03-15-2023 04:45 PM)Kid Rocket Wrote:  
(03-15-2023 11:43 AM)Somersetco Wrote:  Prior to the Michigan game I looked at an 1983-84 BB Media Guide that I had saved. There was some mention during the year of comparing Bobby Nichols and K. I was interested in seeing how Nichols fared against both Michigan and Michigan State. Turns out we were 4-4 against Michigan and 2-2 against State. Interesting note: the 68-69 team that was 13-11, beat Michigan on a neutral court 89-76. For awhile there from 68-69 thru 79-80, we played them almost every year….some home and some away. In 71-72 we beat them in Ann Arbor and also in 77-78. To make a long story shorter, K is NO Nichols. Always giving some unrelated BS after loses and too often blaming the team for mistakes that he made as a coach. I don’t know what it is but I’ve never been a great fan of his and won’t lose any sleep if he decides to leave. BTW: he’s never beaten a Michigan team!

Right on all accounts, fans are numb to his #$%#@# interviews. UT recruits itself.. he thinks he is doing something masterful. these young fans would #@%$@ their pants if they saw Tom Kozelko or Dick Miller let alone Mix, Brisker or Stempin all broad shouldered athletic bad #@#$#& 's.... yes they beat many top teams from top leagues , Nic had relationships with many coaches who would watch UT practice and meet with Nic therefor schedule the Rockets... and never recall him calling out players to the press, he would take blame on losses after all he was the coach.. he lost his edge in the mid 80's and was far from perfect but damn we were rough and tough for 2 decades

When comparing Nichols to TK, something to keep in mind is how getting to the NCAA Tournament from the MAC has changed. Nichols just needed to win the regular season championship for 2 of his 3 NCAA appearances since there was no MAC Tournament at the time. If all TK had to do to get to the Big Dance was win the regular season championship, he would have 3 straight NCAA appearances right now. When Nichols won the first MAC Tournament in 1980, he just had to win 2 games, not the 3 games that TK has to win now.

That's not a fair way to put it - that "all" Nichols had to do was win the regular season championship. You could just as easily say that "all" K has to do is win three games in Cleveland. In either case, only one team in the conference goes to the dance. For 43 years, that one team has not been Toledo. During Nichols' tenure, that one team sometimes was Toledo. Also, the one year he won the tournament, he only had to play two games, but those were the games against the best teams. The first-round games in an eight-team format aren't generally the problem. If K's teams won the tournament every time they got past the first round (or half the time), we would all be pretty happy.

No disrespect to Coach Nichols. I know he was an excellent coach. I was not alive during his coaching tenure, so I did not have the pleasure of watching his teams play. The point I was making was that Nichols' NCAA appearances were achieved via regular season championships and 2 MAC Tournament wins, which are both things that TK has accomplished. TK won 2 MAC Tournament games this year. Nichols never won 3 MAC Tournament games, which we are asking TK to do now.
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Morehead State beat Clemson.

Hofstra best Rutgers.

Very early in the NIT & NCAA is just getting started, but once again some mid-majors are getting it done & getting headlines.

Not Toledo.
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how did Youngstown State with a less record get a home game vs OK State but Toledo goes to Michigan. Make it make sense
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