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RE: Toledo vs. Kent in Cleveland for all the marbles
Toledo - congratulations on a great season! It’s BS if Toledo doesn’t get invited to the big dance. Michigan State will get in but Toledo would beat them. Instead of lobbying for Toledo to make the tournament, even Hustlebelt (our media representative) is on social media stating Toledo to the NIT but they should be demanding Toledo gets an at large bid!! Todd K, the MAC commissioner and the MAC Coaches should be all over social media demanding Toledo get an at large invite because they deserve to be in the tournament.


On a side note, after watching RayJ, he’s definitely the best player in the conference and I believe he May declare for the NBA??? What do you think, Pono?
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JT played 34 minutes and only took 5 shots. He was 1-5 and 0-1 from 3. Had 3 free throws, 3 boards, 3 fouls, 1 TO and 5 points. Clearly, that's not enough. But only 5 shots all game? That was no doubt Kent's focus and it sure worked.

They were due for a bad shooting night and they got one. Kent was in nosebleed territory at %71 but most were dunks and layups, except the 6 of 9 three pointers (in the second half 4-15 first half). Kent scored 58 points in the second half - unreal - unless you don't play defense.

I think the game really changed when Carry hit that long three in the second half with only a few seconds on the shot clock. That really sealed the momentum and it got out of hand after that.
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Watching the game live last night, JT just seemed like he didn't have the energy, strength, or whatever to keep up with Peyton in the middle. And that was one of the big factors in the game.

In the first half, I felt like every time our Rockets took a shot, there were 4 Flashes under the board and Rockets were backpedaling, like it was assumed the shot was going in. Very few second chances in that first half.
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well... my first post since game ended. I didn't really want to come on the board.

I feel very bad for this team and TK. This is a DAMN GOOD team and we have a damn good coach. I'm very proud of this hard-working team. I feel bad for the city and fan base which includes me personally as a lifelong fan. Yes - frustrating to be sure.

I will be in my seat for the next game. Nothing changes.

Yep - JT was negated and that's good basketball on KSU's side. We should have been able to counter that. That was difference as pointed out in an earlier post.

Tough morning for a UT men's fan.

This has been an exciting great season... Probably best team in 43 maybe more years. Chin's up to all my fellow fans on this board. In the end it's just basketball but it sure feels like more.

Go Rockets!
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I am as disappointed as everyone. I really thought that this was the year. However, I won't let that diminish how much I enjoyed this season. This team has been so much fun to watch. I look forward to watching at least one more game. This has been quite a three year stretch of Toledo men's basketball!
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For most of the game - Kent was fine with making it a war of attrition to accomplish what they wanted. They fouled often, some were called- many were not.

They had plenty of bodies to use in their defensive strategy. It seemed clear they were not going to allow anyone to drive the lane and they knew that had enough big bodies and strong guards to keep Toledo from doing that. It was key to their win streak. That was especially true at the start of the second half when they stepped it up as part of their defense. The refs did call the fouls early on - to the point of it being 9 on Kent and just 2 on the Rockets. Could easily have been 13-15 on Kent, but the refs were never going to let the imbalance of fouls get that far out of whack - even if the calls should have been made. So they quit calling them. Didn't need to by then. Toledo looked rattled and intimidated, except for Ray J and Milner.

Everyone knew Kent was going to make it physical out on the floor. They had bigger, stronger players - and more of them they could use to their advantage. How the game was going to be called meant a lot.

But, they also shot very well. The strategy would not have worked, except for how poorly Toledo played defense and left guys wide open for 3's. They rarely missed them.

In the end, Kent was the better team. Beat Toledo on the road. Beat them (at home) in Cleveland.

That was my take on it.
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Some additional comments after posting late last night after returning from Cleveland:

* Props to Sincere Carry. While his non-basketball antics like dancing at half court after a Toledo timeout are bush-league, you can’t deny his basketball abilities. Toledo was content to let him fire away from 3 to prevent him from penetrating the key and he made them pay for it to the tune of 4 of 9. I think he took it personally that Dennis was named MVP over him, and he played like he had something to prove.

* Hats to both Milner and Dennis who brought it last night. Milner was a man with a Double Double with 25 points and 10 rebounds. He single handedly kept Toledo in the game until Dennis got going in the second half. As for Dennis, what can you say, 38 minutes with 25 points, 6 rebounds 3 assists, and 2 steals. He had Carry in his grill the entire game and other Kent players running at him constantly, but he still was able to get to the basket on multiple occasions.

* I know people probably don’t want to talk about it, but some NIT Bracketologists have Toledo playing at either Michigan (with Hunter Dickenson) or Cincinnati.
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(03-12-2023 09:43 AM)Screwball Wrote:  JT played 34 minutes and only took 5 shots. He was 1-5 and 0-1 from 3. Had 3 free throws, 3 boards, 3 fouls, 1 TO and 5 points. Clearly, that's not enough. But only 5 shots all game? That was no doubt Kent's focus and it sure worked.

They were due for a bad shooting night and they got one. Kent was in nosebleed territory at %71 but most were dunks and layups, except the 6 of 9 three pointers (in the second half 4-15 first half). Kent scored 58 points in the second half - unreal - unless you don't play defense.

I think the game really changed when Carry hit that long three in the second half with only a few seconds on the shot clock. That really sealed the momentum and it got out of hand after that.

Don't know if it was on this thread or another ... but Shumate has been Kent's defensive focus for at least the last two years. I checked the numbers, Shumate's high point total vs. KSU the last two years is 12 points. All other games he scored single digits.
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JT is a great player but he's not a 5. We don't have a legit 5 and it cost us again.

Per above on fouls. We had them in foul trouble. Davis and Jacobs had 3, while Sullinger and Payton had 4. Then it seems like they quit calling them. If I remember right, one of the announcers said they didn't call a foul on Kent for 12 minutes. Strange, but doesn't matter.

Those two bench guys for Kent brought 29 points off the bench. Our bench had 22 minutes (11 each by AJ & EJ) and 2 points. AJ with a couple of blocks and that's it.

Shooting was horrid. Maddox 2-7 from 3. Moss and Ray J both went 1-7. 25.9% as a team from 3. That won't cut it either.
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(03-12-2023 12:15 PM)cleveland Wrote:  
(03-12-2023 09:43 AM)Screwball Wrote:  JT played 34 minutes and only took 5 shots. He was 1-5 and 0-1 from 3. Had 3 free throws, 3 boards, 3 fouls, 1 TO and 5 points. Clearly, that's not enough. But only 5 shots all game? That was no doubt Kent's focus and it sure worked.

They were due for a bad shooting night and they got one. Kent was in nosebleed territory at %71 but most were dunks and layups, except the 6 of 9 three pointers (in the second half 4-15 first half). Kent scored 58 points in the second half - unreal - unless you don't play defense.

I think the game really changed when Carry hit that long three in the second half with only a few seconds on the shot clock. That really sealed the momentum and it got out of hand after that.

Don't know if it was on this thread or another ... but Shumate has been Kent's defensive focus for at least the last two years. I checked the numbers, Shumate's high point total vs. KSU the last two years is 12 points. All other games he scored single digits.
I don't know about previous games, but Kent had the muscular 6-3 Jacobs on him the majority of last nights game and he made him a non factor for the most part despite Shumate's 4-inch size advantage. To me, that's excellent coaching on the part of Kent St as they knew Shumate's game was mostly on the perimeter and that they could get away with a smaller player who plays very good defense guarding him.
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(03-12-2023 01:28 PM)Basketball Jones Wrote:  
(03-12-2023 12:15 PM)cleveland Wrote:  
(03-12-2023 09:43 AM)Screwball Wrote:  JT played 34 minutes and only took 5 shots. He was 1-5 and 0-1 from 3. Had 3 free throws, 3 boards, 3 fouls, 1 TO and 5 points. Clearly, that's not enough. But only 5 shots all game? That was no doubt Kent's focus and it sure worked.

They were due for a bad shooting night and they got one. Kent was in nosebleed territory at %71 but most were dunks and layups, except the 6 of 9 three pointers (in the second half 4-15 first half). Kent scored 58 points in the second half - unreal - unless you don't play defense.

I think the game really changed when Carry hit that long three in the second half with only a few seconds on the shot clock. That really sealed the momentum and it got out of hand after that.

Don't know if it was on this thread or another ... but Shumate has been Kent's defensive focus for at least the last two years. I checked the numbers, Shumate's high point total vs. KSU the last two years is 12 points. All other games he scored single digits.
I don't know about previous games, but Kent had the muscular 6-3 Jacobs on him the majority of last nights game and he made him a non factor for the most part despite Shumate's 4-inch size advantage. To me, that's excellent coaching on the part of Kent St as they knew Shumate's game was mostly on the perimeter and that they could get away with a smaller player who plays very good defense guarding him.

Kent State’s staff did a great job on scouting Shumate last night and in the past on how they could neutralize him …
Plus they had the right personnel to plug and play at the right times …
K should maybe take a long hard look at what other teams are doing and counter in an effective way …
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(03-12-2023 10:53 AM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  well... my first post since game ended. I didn't really want to come on the board.

I feel very bad for this team and TK. This is a DAMN GOOD team and we have a damn good coach. I'm very proud of this hard-working team. I feel bad for the city and fan base which includes me personally as a lifelong fan. Yes - frustrating to be sure.

I will be in my seat for the next game. Nothing changes.

Yep - JT was negated and that's good basketball on KSU's side. We should have been able to counter that. That was difference as pointed out in an earlier post.

Tough morning for a UT men's fan.

This has been an exciting great season... Probably best team in 43 maybe more years. Chin's up to all my fellow fans on this board. In the end it's just basketball but it sure feels like more.

Go Rockets!

great post, my sentiments too. it still hurts.

Kent is a tough matchup for us. Jacobs just eats us up. Hornbeak is the only player that we can exploit defensively, so Senderhoff just swaps him out for Payton. They played their best at the most important time.

Not a lot of interest in the NIT, but hopefully we host Youngstown St and then get Michigan at home. Half the NIT field will be made up of teams like UT who won their league but aren't dancing (that's in the selection rules). They are mixed with the next best 16 or so teams that missed at large bids. Last year, the format was switched so each pod/bracket of 8 teams was regional with 1 and 2 seeds, and the other teams organized for matchups and easy travel. Midwest teams should be Bradley, Toledo, Wisconsin, Michigan, Youngstown St, Morehead St, Marshall for sure and maybe Dayton, Cincy, St Louis, Pitt (if no NCAA bid). If Toledo is seeded they would get a couple home games. The goal was an elite eight season. If they can get up for the NIT that would mean a trip to the Garden.

Luckeyone, I commented earlier on another thread about RayJ and the draft. Unlike Rollins, his physical attributes don't pop (speed, length, vertical) so I think he's not as highly regarded. Needs more matchups against bigger defenders to know how his game would translate to the NBA. I would council guys who are marginal draft picks not to stay in the draft because the chances of a guaranteed contract are slim, but no one is asking me. I would see RayJ as a guy teams would workout but isn't on any 1st round draft boards. My hunch is he returns to play a year with Tyler Cochran (old friends) and make the tourney. If he returns he will be heavily scouted and if he can have an all america type senior season he would raise his draft stock.
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(03-12-2023 01:58 PM)pono Wrote:  
(03-12-2023 10:53 AM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  well... my first post since game ended. I didn't really want to come on the board.

I feel very bad for this team and TK. This is a DAMN GOOD team and we have a damn good coach. I'm very proud of this hard-working team. I feel bad for the city and fan base which includes me personally as a lifelong fan. Yes - frustrating to be sure.

I will be in my seat for the next game. Nothing changes.

Yep - JT was negated and that's good basketball on KSU's side. We should have been able to counter that. That was difference as pointed out in an earlier post.

Tough morning for a UT men's fan.

This has been an exciting great season... Probably best team in 43 maybe more years. Chin's up to all my fellow fans on this board. In the end it's just basketball but it sure feels like more.

Go Rockets!

great post, my sentiments too. it still hurts.

Kent is a tough matchup for us. Jacobs just eats us up. Hornbeak is the only player that we can exploit defensively, so Senderhoff just swaps him out for Payton. They played their best at the most important time.

Not a lot of interest in the NIT, but hopefully we host Youngstown St and then get Michigan at home. Half the NIT field will be made up of teams like UT who won their league but aren't dancing (that's in the selection rules). They are mixed with the next best 16 or so teams that missed at large bids. Last year, the format was switched so each pod/bracket of 8 teams was regional with 1 and 2 seeds, and the other teams organized for matchups and easy travel. Midwest teams should be Bradley, Toledo, Wisconsin, Michigan, Youngstown St, Morehead St, Marshall for sure and maybe Dayton, Cincy, St Louis, Pitt (if no NCAA bid). If Toledo is seeded they would get a couple home games. The goal was an elite eight season. If they can get up for the NIT that would mean a trip to the Garden.

Luckeyone, I commented earlier on another thread about RayJ and the draft. Unlike Rollins, his physical attributes don't pop (speed, length, vertical) so I think he's not as highly regarded. Needs more matchups against bigger defenders to know how his game would translate to the NBA. I would council guys who are marginal draft picks not to stay in the draft because the chances of a guaranteed contract are slim, but no one is asking me. I would see RayJ as a guy teams would workout but isn't on any 1st round draft boards. My hunch is he returns to play a year with Tyler Cochran (old friends) and make the tourney. If he returns he will be heavily scouted and if he can have an all america type senior season he would raise his draft stock.

I think a lot of RayJ’s returning hinges on the fact if K and staff bring in a couple of quality frontcourt transfers to fill in the void left by Milner and Shumate …
I hope Edu stays, but I don’t think Lorentsson brings enough to warrant him getting extensive future playing time !!
Simmons will be a wide body banger, but will be slowly worked into the rotation along with a couple of the incoming freshman !!
Jacobi and Wilson, probably gone, and wish them well !!
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(03-12-2023 01:58 PM)pono Wrote:  
(03-12-2023 10:53 AM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  well... my first post since game ended. I didn't really want to come on the board.

I feel very bad for this team and TK. This is a DAMN GOOD team and we have a damn good coach. I'm very proud of this hard-working team. I feel bad for the city and fan base which includes me personally as a lifelong fan. Yes - frustrating to be sure.

I will be in my seat for the next game. Nothing changes.

Yep - JT was negated and that's good basketball on KSU's side. We should have been able to counter that. That was difference as pointed out in an earlier post.

Tough morning for a UT men's fan.

This has been an exciting great season... Probably best team in 43 maybe more years. Chin's up to all my fellow fans on this board. In the end it's just basketball but it sure feels like more.

Go Rockets!

great post, my sentiments too. it still hurts.

Kent is a tough matchup for us. Jacobs just eats us up. Hornbeak is the only player that we can exploit defensively, so Senderhoff just swaps him out for Payton. They played their best at the most important time.

Not a lot of interest in the NIT, but hopefully we host Youngstown St and then get Michigan at home. Half the NIT field will be made up of teams like UT who won their league but aren't dancing (that's in the selection rules). They are mixed with the next best 16 or so teams that missed at large bids. Last year, the format was switched so each pod/bracket of 8 teams was regional with 1 and 2 seeds, and the other teams organized for matchups and easy travel. Midwest teams should be Bradley, Toledo, Wisconsin, Michigan, Youngstown St, Morehead St, Marshall for sure and maybe Dayton, Cincy, St Louis, Pitt (if no NCAA bid). If Toledo is seeded they would get a couple home games. The goal was an elite eight season. If they can get up for the NIT that would mean a trip to the Garden.

Luckeyone, I commented earlier on another thread about RayJ and the draft. Unlike Rollins, his physical attributes don't pop (speed, length, vertical) so I think he's not as highly regarded. Needs more matchups against bigger defenders to know how his game would translate to the NBA. I would council guys who are marginal draft picks not to stay in the draft because the chances of a guaranteed contract are slim, but no one is asking me. I would see RayJ as a guy teams would workout but isn't on any 1st round draft boards. My hunch is he returns to play a year with Tyler Cochran (old friends) and make the tourney. If he returns he will be heavily scouted and if he can have an all america type senior season he would raise his draft stock.

Great points pono! Do you think ray j’s age will play a factor with teams, if he comes back to Toledo I think this will be his 5th year in college and will likely be 23.
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Age matters for high ceiling prospects. The 19 year old with 7-2 reach and quick feet who hasn't accomplished much on the court, for example. NBA teams want guys like that young. In terms of using a mid-draft pick on a ready to help role player, like a backup pg, teams like the older players.
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(03-12-2023 01:58 PM)pono Wrote:  
(03-12-2023 10:53 AM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  well... my first post since game ended. I didn't really want to come on the board.

I feel very bad for this team and TK. This is a DAMN GOOD team and we have a damn good coach. I'm very proud of this hard-working team. I feel bad for the city and fan base which includes me personally as a lifelong fan. Yes - frustrating to be sure.

I will be in my seat for the next game. Nothing changes.

Yep - JT was negated and that's good basketball on KSU's side. We should have been able to counter that. That was difference as pointed out in an earlier post.

Tough morning for a UT men's fan.

This has been an exciting great season... Probably best team in 43 maybe more years. Chin's up to all my fellow fans on this board. In the end it's just basketball but it sure feels like more.

Go Rockets!

great post, my sentiments too. it still hurts.

Kent is a tough matchup for us. Jacobs just eats us up. Hornbeak is the only player that we can exploit defensively, so Senderhoff just swaps him out for Payton. They played their best at the most important time.

Not a lot of interest in the NIT, but hopefully we host Youngstown St and then get Michigan at home. Half the NIT field will be made up of teams like UT who won their league but aren't dancing (that's in the selection rules). They are mixed with the next best 16 or so teams that missed at large bids. Last year, the format was switched so each pod/bracket of 8 teams was regional with 1 and 2 seeds, and the other teams organized for matchups and easy travel. Midwest teams should be Bradley, Toledo, Wisconsin, Michigan, Youngstown St, Morehead St, Marshall for sure and maybe Dayton, Cincy, St Louis, Pitt (if no NCAA bid). If Toledo is seeded they would get a couple home games. The goal was an elite eight season. If they can get up for the NIT that would mean a trip to the Garden.

Luckeyone, I commented earlier on another thread about RayJ and the draft. Unlike Rollins, his physical attributes don't pop (speed, length, vertical) so I think he's not as highly regarded. Needs more matchups against bigger defenders to know how his game would translate to the NBA. I would council guys who are marginal draft picks not to stay in the draft because the chances of a guaranteed contract are slim, but no one is asking me. I would see RayJ as a guy teams would workout but isn't on any 1st round draft boards. My hunch is he returns to play a year with Tyler Cochran (old friends) and make the tourney. If he returns he will be heavily scouted and if he can have an all america type senior season he would raise his draft stock.

I would be shocked if RayJ is not back but you can't fault him if he researches his NBA prospects or even the Portal as NIL money is being thrown out there by Power 5 Programs looking to solidify a position of need. Look at Alabama and how much success they've had this season with one of their key transfer guys Ohio Mark Sears answering a big need they had at the point guard position. I would say RayJ is just as good or even better than Sears, so Toledo needs to put a fence up and guard against one of these Division 5 Schools attempting to poach Dennis! They won't have to look to far as Michigan is reportedly in the "market" for a Point Guard Transfer and you know they'll have NIL money available to allure a quality point guard transfer like a Dennis! NIL money is suppose to be used to reward players who are already on the roster, but everyone knows that Big Time Programs are using it to entice players to sign with or transfer to their programs!
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(03-12-2023 02:24 PM)Macfan123 Wrote:  
(03-12-2023 01:58 PM)pono Wrote:  
(03-12-2023 10:53 AM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  well... my first post since game ended. I didn't really want to come on the board.

I feel very bad for this team and TK. This is a DAMN GOOD team and we have a damn good coach. I'm very proud of this hard-working team. I feel bad for the city and fan base which includes me personally as a lifelong fan. Yes - frustrating to be sure.

I will be in my seat for the next game. Nothing changes.

Yep - JT was negated and that's good basketball on KSU's side. We should have been able to counter that. That was difference as pointed out in an earlier post.

Tough morning for a UT men's fan.

This has been an exciting great season... Probably best team in 43 maybe more years. Chin's up to all my fellow fans on this board. In the end it's just basketball but it sure feels like more.

Go Rockets!

great post, my sentiments too. it still hurts.

Kent is a tough matchup for us. Jacobs just eats us up. Hornbeak is the only player that we can exploit defensively, so Senderhoff just swaps him out for Payton. They played their best at the most important time.

Not a lot of interest in the NIT, but hopefully we host Youngstown St and then get Michigan at home. Half the NIT field will be made up of teams like UT who won their league but aren't dancing (that's in the selection rules). They are mixed with the next best 16 or so teams that missed at large bids. Last year, the format was switched so each pod/bracket of 8 teams was regional with 1 and 2 seeds, and the other teams organized for matchups and easy travel. Midwest teams should be Bradley, Toledo, Wisconsin, Michigan, Youngstown St, Morehead St, Marshall for sure and maybe Dayton, Cincy, St Louis, Pitt (if no NCAA bid). If Toledo is seeded they would get a couple home games. The goal was an elite eight season. If they can get up for the NIT that would mean a trip to the Garden.

Luckeyone, I commented earlier on another thread about RayJ and the draft. Unlike Rollins, his physical attributes don't pop (speed, length, vertical) so I think he's not as highly regarded. Needs more matchups against bigger defenders to know how his game would translate to the NBA. I would council guys who are marginal draft picks not to stay in the draft because the chances of a guaranteed contract are slim, but no one is asking me. I would see RayJ as a guy teams would workout but isn't on any 1st round draft boards. My hunch is he returns to play a year with Tyler Cochran (old friends) and make the tourney. If he returns he will be heavily scouted and if he can have an all america type senior season he would raise his draft stock.

Great points pono! Do you think ray j’s age will play a factor with teams, if he comes back to Toledo I think this will be his 5th year in college and will likely be 23.

University of Memphis has a 26 year old senior. Dennis being 23 doesn't play any factor.
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RE: Toledo vs. Kent in Cleveland for all the marbles
It's impossible to know, of course, what RayJ's priorities are. If he wants to make money playing basketball, he should leave school and play pro right now (probably not the NBA). He had a great year, and his stock is unlikely to rise with one more year. He has about ten years to make money playing basketball. If he stays in college another year, he gives up 10% of his lifetime earning capacity.

Age definitely plays a factor in the NBA draft. Teams assume that a 19-year-old is going to improve a lot over the next five years. Teams assume that a 23-year-old is already closer to his ceiling.

What we want and what is good for RayJ may be too different things. On the other hand, if his top priority is playing in an NCAA tournament game or playing with his old friend Cochran, then we may be in luck.
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(03-12-2023 03:48 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  
(03-12-2023 02:24 PM)Macfan123 Wrote:  
(03-12-2023 01:58 PM)pono Wrote:  
(03-12-2023 10:53 AM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  well... my first post since game ended. I didn't really want to come on the board.

I feel very bad for this team and TK. This is a DAMN GOOD team and we have a damn good coach. I'm very proud of this hard-working team. I feel bad for the city and fan base which includes me personally as a lifelong fan. Yes - frustrating to be sure.

I will be in my seat for the next game. Nothing changes.

Yep - JT was negated and that's good basketball on KSU's side. We should have been able to counter that. That was difference as pointed out in an earlier post.

Tough morning for a UT men's fan.

This has been an exciting great season... Probably best team in 43 maybe more years. Chin's up to all my fellow fans on this board. In the end it's just basketball but it sure feels like more.

Go Rockets!

great post, my sentiments too. it still hurts.

Kent is a tough matchup for us. Jacobs just eats us up. Hornbeak is the only player that we can exploit defensively, so Senderhoff just swaps him out for Payton. They played their best at the most important time.

Not a lot of interest in the NIT, but hopefully we host Youngstown St and then get Michigan at home. Half the NIT field will be made up of teams like UT who won their league but aren't dancing (that's in the selection rules). They are mixed with the next best 16 or so teams that missed at large bids. Last year, the format was switched so each pod/bracket of 8 teams was regional with 1 and 2 seeds, and the other teams organized for matchups and easy travel. Midwest teams should be Bradley, Toledo, Wisconsin, Michigan, Youngstown St, Morehead St, Marshall for sure and maybe Dayton, Cincy, St Louis, Pitt (if no NCAA bid). If Toledo is seeded they would get a couple home games. The goal was an elite eight season. If they can get up for the NIT that would mean a trip to the Garden.

Luckeyone, I commented earlier on another thread about RayJ and the draft. Unlike Rollins, his physical attributes don't pop (speed, length, vertical) so I think he's not as highly regarded. Needs more matchups against bigger defenders to know how his game would translate to the NBA. I would council guys who are marginal draft picks not to stay in the draft because the chances of a guaranteed contract are slim, but no one is asking me. I would see RayJ as a guy teams would workout but isn't on any 1st round draft boards. My hunch is he returns to play a year with Tyler Cochran (old friends) and make the tourney. If he returns he will be heavily scouted and if he can have an all america type senior season he would raise his draft stock.

Great points pono! Do you think ray j’s age will play a factor with teams, if he comes back to Toledo I think this will be his 5th year in college and will likely be 23.

University of Memphis has a 26 year old senior. Dennis being 23 doesn't play any factor.

Age plays a huge factor on getting drafted, one of the many reasons rollins was drafted was because of his age (19) more time to develop
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RE: Toledo vs. Kent in Cleveland for all the marbles
See full post above. Part of the draft is for young high ceiling prospects, but teams drafting for need like older ready to play college guys, usually a handful of last first early second round picks-see Memphis Grizzlies 2022 draft, for example.
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