I expected somebody to comment on the wind up of this sham investigation. Nobody has, yet.

So I will cite some personal opinions:

1. Most of this report could have been written when the committee held its first meeting.

2. In the long run, it will have no effect except to wipe out the careers of Kinsinger and Cheney, and to enhance the career of Congressman Smarmy.

3. It was unconstitutional, according to Alan Dershowitz


The Harvard professor also called out his former law student, Maryland Representative Jamie Raskin, a Democrat who serves on the January 6 committee. Dershowitz said Raskin and other members of Congress on the House committee "ignored the Constitution and put partisanship before law."

"You were a good student," Dershowitz said. "I contributed to your campaign. But you're wrong about this one. And you've been wrong about almost everything regarding Trump because you put politics before principle."

Quote:Catturd @catturd2

Well, well, well. Conspiracy theorist update .... 58-0

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Jan. 6 footage shows Capitol cops escorting QAnon Shaman to Senate floor https://trib.al/B49jafp

{Images of Capitol Police calmly escorting QAnon Shaan around peacfrully, even opening doors for him!}

8:30 PM · Mar 6, 2023 · 2.7M Views

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Jacob Chansley (the QAnonShaman) was lead around the Captiol by police the entire time on January 6th.

{VIDEO of Capitol Police calmly and happily leading QAnonShamen aorund Capitol on Jan 6, even opening doors for him, taking selfies}

8:31 PM · Mar 6, 2023

It’s like they’ve lied to us about 81,000,000 things and counting...

Once again, GoodOwl was spot-on right, the Lefties were lying...but you knew that the whole time....

Mostly peaceful

Capitol tour

"The charges against Chansley include disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building and violent entry and disorderly conduct in the Capitol building."

Not insurrection? Not attempted murder? Not arson?

IMO, Chansley is at least partially a political prisoner.

The biased kangaroo court called the Jan. 6 Committee purposefully choose the worst film. I wonder why the film of him taking the guided tour was suppressed....not.

(03-09-2023 06:21 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Mostly peaceful

Capitol tour

"The charges against Chansley include disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building and violent entry and disorderly conduct in the Capitol building."

Not insurrection? Not attempted murder? Not arson?

IMO, Chansley is at least partially a political prisoner.

The biased kangaroo court called the Jan. 6 Committee purposefully choose the worst film. I wonder why the film of him taking the guided tour was suppressed....not.

yeah, I was wonderin' how many films of Antifa morons "peacefully" burning down and fire-bombing buildings while being casually escorted around by as many as 9 police officers at a time (opening doors for them while Antifa throws their firebombs in) exist? Probably not too many....

(03-09-2023 06:21 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Mostly peaceful

Capitol tour

"The charges against Chansley include disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building and violent entry and disorderly conduct in the Capitol building."

Not insurrection? Not attempted murder? Not arson?

IMO, Chansley is at least partially a political prisoner.

The biased kangaroo court called the Jan. 6 Committee purposefully choose the worst film. I wonder why the film of him taking the guided tour was suppressed....not.

This dude was never one that fell into the category of "rioters". He seemed like an odd dude, but certainly not a rioter.

(03-10-2023 08:44 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 06:21 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Mostly peaceful

Capitol tour

"The charges against Chansley include disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building and violent entry and disorderly conduct in the Capitol building."

Not insurrection? Not attempted murder? Not arson?

IMO, Chansley is at least partially a political prisoner.

The biased kangaroo court called the Jan. 6 Committee purposefully choose the worst film. I wonder why the film of him taking the guided tour was suppressed....not.

This dude was never one that fell into the category of "rioters". He seemed like an odd dude, but certainly not a rioter.

Still going to prison for over 4 years. Highly visible, a symbol of the "rioters" Easily identifiable. Labeled the "Q-Anon Shaman". I have no idea if he can even spell Q-Anon.

Still, he was not the only "rioter" taking a tour.

It's not unusual that sides cherry pick the evidence to fit their narrative. Certainly the film showing crowds trying to force their way through doors exists, just like the film of the same people, strolling through the Capitol.

The 1-6 committee was formed and selected to present a certain narrative, one that only presented the worst of the worst evidence and suppressed the most exculpatory. They had a job to do, a result to reach, and they did it well, with the aid of the MSM. If you are going to be caught in the middle of a "riot", the 1-6 one is your best choice. More like a trip to Disneyland than a riot.

Now the Left is upset with Carlson for presenting the other side.

(03-10-2023 08:58 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 08:44 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 06:21 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Mostly peaceful

Capitol tour

"The charges against Chansley include disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building and violent entry and disorderly conduct in the Capitol building."

Not insurrection? Not attempted murder? Not arson?

IMO, Chansley is at least partially a political prisoner.

The biased kangaroo court called the Jan. 6 Committee purposefully choose the worst film. I wonder why the film of him taking the guided tour was suppressed....not.

This dude was never one that fell into the category of "rioters". He seemed like an odd dude, but certainly not a rioter.

Still going to prison for over 4 years.

3 years, 5 months is less than 4 years.

Quote:Highly visible, a symbol of the "rioters"

He wasnt charged with rioting, or with an act of violence.

He was charged with 'obstruction of a Congressional proceeding'. And pled guilty to it.

The videos *in* the chamber seem to bear out the stark fact of what he was charged with.

Quote:Still, he was not the only "rioter" taking a tour.

Again, he was not charged with riot or with a crime of violence. And the evidence bears that out.

Quote:It's not unusual that sides cherry pick the evidence to fit their narrative.

Like conflating being a rioter when he was actually charged and pled guilty to 'obstruction of a Congressional proceeding', or stating the now oft-repeated comment of 'over 4 years'.

Quote:Certainly the film showing crowds trying to force their way through doors exists, just like the film of the same people, strolling through the Capitol.

The same film that shows the shaman, while strolling peacefully, doing *exactly* what he was charged with. Specifically trying to stop and impede Congress.

One can actually do that somewhat peacefully. It doesnt detract from the narrative that many were doing just that -- trying to stop the proceeding.

(03-10-2023 10:54 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 08:58 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 08:44 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 06:21 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Mostly peaceful

Capitol tour

"The charges against Chansley include disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building and violent entry and disorderly conduct in the Capitol building."

Not insurrection? Not attempted murder? Not arson?

IMO, Chansley is at least partially a political prisoner.

The biased kangaroo court called the Jan. 6 Committee purposefully choose the worst film. I wonder why the film of him taking the guided tour was suppressed....not.

This dude was never one that fell into the category of "rioters". He seemed like an odd dude, but certainly not a rioter.

Still going to prison for over 4 years.

3 years, 5 months is less than 4 years.

Quote:Highly visible, a symbol of the "rioters"

He wasnt charged with rioting, or with an act of violence.

He was charged with 'obstruction of a Congressional proceeding'. And pled guilty to it.

The videos *in* the chamber seem to bear out the stark fact of what he was charged with.

Quote:Still, he was not the only "rioter" taking a tour.

Again, he was not charged with riot or with a crime of violence. And the evidence bears that out.

Quote:It's not unusual that sides cherry pick the evidence to fit their narrative.

Like conflating being a rioter when he was actually charged and pled guilty to 'obstruction of a Congressional proceeding', or stating the now oft-repeated comment of 'over 4 years'.

Quote:Certainly the film showing crowds trying to force their way through doors exists, just like the film of the same people, strolling through the Capitol.

The same film that shows the shaman, while strolling peacefully, doing *exactly* what he was charged with. Specifically trying to stop and impede Congress.

One can actually do that somewhat peacefully. It doesnt detract from the narrative that many were doing just that -- trying to stop the proceeding.

Agree.

Why bring up this fake Shaman dude to suggest that the rioting/violence was overblown?

I think the people who "stormed" building that day fell into 3 categories:

1) The vast majority were there because they were pissed about what they believed were election irregularities. They found themselves joining the flow of people into the Capitol that day but they had no interest in violence or disrupting the proceedings of Congress.

2) A small minority were there to disrupt the proceedings but were not involved in any violence. (fake Shaman).

3) A small minority were there to commit violence.


I think Jan 6 was overall more peaceful that the Antifa riots of the PNW in that a larger percentage of Antifa types were rioting than those at Jan 6.

In general the country-wide BLM marches that summer were probably at least "as peaceful" as Jan 6 (if not more) when you look at (# of violent people)/(# of participants in the protest).

In general the people committing violence in either side were extremists and don't represent the ideas of your garden-variety Democrats/Republicans.

For the Shaman and his 3 years, 5 months -- I am reminded of a saying granddaddy would say from time to time: "Play a stupid game, win a stupid prize."

Arguing with Tanq is akin to discussing tax policy with Bernie Sanders. I’m not going to go down that road.

I will just note that most guilty pleas are the result of plea bargaining. They do not always reflect true guilt.

I would also be interested in learning if 41 months is a “normal” sentence for what the Shaman pled to.

(03-11-2023 08:46 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Arguing with Tanq is akin to discussing tax policy with Bernie Sanders. I’m not going to go down that road.

I will just note that most guilty pleas are the result of plea bargaining. They do not always reflect true guilt.

I would also be interested in learning if 41 months is a “normal” sentence for what the Shaman pled to.

I think the important point with regards to the thread is that he was not rioting, nobody here considered him to be a rioter, and he was not charged with violence. Therefore, he is a poor example of the possibility that the rioting was overblown that day.

(03-10-2023 10:54 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  The same film that shows the shaman, while strolling peacefully, doing *exactly* what he was charged with. Specifically trying to stop and impede Congress.
One can actually do that somewhat peacefully. It doesn't detract from the narrative that many were doing just that -- trying to stop the proceeding.

But it does detract from the "violent insurrection" narrative.

(03-11-2023 10:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 10:54 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  The same film that shows the shaman, while strolling peacefully, doing *exactly* what he was charged with. Specifically trying to stop and impede Congress.
One can actually do that somewhat peacefully. It doesn't detract from the narrative that many were doing just that -- trying to stop the proceeding.

But it does detract from the "violent insurrection" narrative.

From the link in post #3:

“The charges against Chansley include disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building and violent entry and disorderly conduct in the Capitol building.

Watkins filed three motions for pretrial release because of Chansley’s mental health issues and believes the newly released footage would have aided his case. Chansley was sentenced to 41 months in prison in November followed by 36 months of supervised release.”


“Violent entry” is one of the charges he pled to. I guess this means following the crowd through the doors. Part of the reason I think the guilty pleas were a compromise deal.

“disorderly and disruptive conduct”in a restricted building? What were the crying women who held up Senator Flake’s elevator sentenced to? Was it in the neighborhood of 41 months in prison? Or zilch?

Because he was easily identifiable, he was a target, and an example waiting to be made by a political party eager to make this as bad as possible (see committee, 1-6).

(03-11-2023 10:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 10:54 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  The same film that shows the shaman, while strolling peacefully, doing *exactly* what he was charged with. Specifically trying to stop and impede Congress.
One can actually do that somewhat peacefully. It doesn't detract from the narrative that many were doing just that -- trying to stop the proceeding.

But it does detract from the "violent insurrection" narrative.

I don’t think so. See above. There were plenty of rioters that day, but he never seemed to be involved in that.

(03-11-2023 11:47 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 10:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 10:54 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  The same film that shows the shaman, while strolling peacefully, doing *exactly* what he was charged with. Specifically trying to stop and impede Congress.
One can actually do that somewhat peacefully. It doesn't detract from the narrative that many were doing just that -- trying to stop the proceeding.

But it does detract from the "violent insurrection" narrative.

I don’t think so. See above. There were plenty of rioters that day, but he never seemed to be involved in that.

The facts that 1) he was portrayed and kind of the poster boy for violent insurrectionists, and 2) he turned out not to be one at all, would seem to detract to some extent.

Not denying that there were rioters, but when he turns out not to have been one, it does kind of detract.

Sort of like a video that I remember from the 2012 primaries. At a republican rally, CNN was circling outside of the crowd trying to find someone looking weird and deranged among the outlying hangers-on. They found this one dude that had some signs and clothing that could have been interpreted as racist, and persisted in talking to him for several minutes. In the background, you could hear the loudspeakers repeating the main speaker--Herman Cain.

(03-11-2023 11:47 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 10:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 10:54 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  The same film that shows the shaman, while strolling peacefully, doing *exactly* what he was charged with. Specifically trying to stop and impede Congress.
One can actually do that somewhat peacefully. It doesn't detract from the narrative that many were doing just that -- trying to stop the proceeding.

But it does detract from the "violent insurrection" narrative.

I don’t think so. See above. There were plenty of rioters that day, but he never seemed to be involved in that.

When I look at the video of Ashli Babbittt being shot and killed, I think “violence” on the part of the people rushing the door as well as the defenders of that door.

But it hardly a riot, which I think of as more uncontrolled and more violent.

And as for “insurrectionist” that seems to be one of those things defined by the victors. I cannot forget that Washington, Jefferson, and Adams were also defined as insurrectionists, by George III. Even the Confederates did not want to replace the government of the US. They just wanted to secede. They were quite content to let the US stand, just without them.

I think most of the “insurrectionists” were not trying to overthrow a government, but trying to protect our government from being overthrown
in a bloodless coup.

I do not condone or defend their actions in entering the Capitol. Should they have sat by and meekly accepted the fait accompli, as the Germans did in 1933? Opinions different. AFAIAC, the way to react was to follow legal remedies, and if they failed, take the country back in the next election. But that’s just me.

(03-11-2023 11:47 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 10:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 10:54 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  The same film that shows the shaman, while strolling peacefully, doing *exactly* what he was charged with. Specifically trying to stop and impede Congress.
One can actually do that somewhat peacefully. It doesn't detract from the narrative that many were doing just that -- trying to stop the proceeding.

But it does detract from the "violent insurrection" narrative.

I don’t think so. See above. There were plenty of rioters that day, but he never seemed to be involved in that.

When I look at the video of Ashli Babbittt being shot and killed, I think “violence” on the part of the people rushing the door as well as the defenders of that door.

But it hardly a riot, which I think of as more uncontrolled and more violent.

And as for “insurrectionist” that seems to be one of those things defined by the victors. I cannot forget that Washington, Jefferson, and Adams were also defined as insurrectionists, by George III. Even the Confederates did not want to replace the government of the US. They just wanted to secede. They were quite content to let the US stand, just without them.

I think most of the “insurrectionists” were not trying to overthrow a government, but trying to protect our government from being overthrown
in a bloodless coup.

I do not condone or defend their actions in entering the Capitol. Should they have sat by and meekly accepted the fait accompli, as the Germans did in 1933? Opinions differ. AFAIAC, the way to react was to follow legal remedies, and if they failed, take the country back in the next election. But that’s just me. Other people people see themselves more in the mold of the Minutemen. AKA insurrectionists. AKA Patriots.

(03-11-2023 11:44 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  “disorderly and disruptive conduct”in a restricted building? What were the crying women who held up Senator Flake’s elevator sentenced to? Was it in the neighborhood of 41 months in prison? Or zilch?

Nothing iirc -- the ladies in question were in the Capitol that day were not in a restricted area. The Capitol corridors where they held Flake up from were publicly accessible and open to the public. Not restricted on that day in time.

Had they held Flake up in one of the private corridors that day, that charge would have been proper. Or, had they entered the elevator (restricted to Congress and staff) -- again same result.

On 1/6, the entire Capitol was restricted. The public was not allowed/

And quite honestly, there is magnitude more importance to trying to *stop* a Joint Session of Congress for the purpose of certifying the vote, as opposed to braying like donkeys at the back of the visitor's section in some rando House/Senate committee session.

One of the reasons the judge in Shaman issue threw the book at him after the guilty plea mind you.

(03-11-2023 12:07 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 11:47 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 10:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 10:54 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  The same film that shows the shaman, while strolling peacefully, doing *exactly* what he was charged with. Specifically trying to stop and impede Congress.
One can actually do that somewhat peacefully. It doesn't detract from the narrative that many were doing just that -- trying to stop the proceeding.

But it does detract from the "violent insurrection" narrative.

I don’t think so. See above. There were plenty of rioters that day, but he never seemed to be involved in that.

When I look at the video of Ashli Babbittt being shot and killed, I think “violence” on the part of the people rushing the door as well as the defenders of that door.

But it hardly a riot, which I think of as more uncontrolled and more violent.

And as for “insurrectionist” that seems to be one of those things defined by the victors. I cannot forget that Washington, Jefferson, and Adams were also defined as insurrectionists, by George III. Even the Confederates did not want to replace the government of the US. They just wanted to secede. They were quite content to let the US stand, just without them.

I think most of the “insurrectionists” were not trying to overthrow a government, but trying to protect our government from being overthrown
in a bloodless coup.

I do not condone or defend their actions in entering the Capitol. Should they have sat by and meekly accepted the fait accompli, as the Germans did in 1933? Opinions differ. AFAIAC, the way to react was to follow legal remedies, and if they failed, take the country back in the next election. But that’s just me. Other people people see themselves more in the mold of the Minutemen. AKA insurrectionists. AKA Patriots.

Play a stupid game, win a stupid prize.

(03-11-2023 01:11 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 12:07 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 11:47 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 10:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 10:54 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  The same film that shows the shaman, while strolling peacefully, doing *exactly* what he was charged with. Specifically trying to stop and impede Congress.
One can actually do that somewhat peacefully. It doesn't detract from the narrative that many were doing just that -- trying to stop the proceeding.

But it does detract from the "violent insurrection" narrative.

I don’t think so. See above. There were plenty of rioters that day, but he never seemed to be involved in that.

When I look at the video of Ashli Babbittt being shot and killed, I think “violence” on the part of the people rushing the door as well as the defenders of that door.

But it hardly a riot, which I think of as more uncontrolled and more violent.

And as for “insurrectionist” that seems to be one of those things defined by the victors. I cannot forget that Washington, Jefferson, and Adams were also defined as insurrectionists, by George III. Even the Confederates did not want to replace the government of the US. They just wanted to secede. They were quite content to let the US stand, just without them.

I think most of the “insurrectionists” were not trying to overthrow a government, but trying to protect our government from being overthrown
in a bloodless coup.

I do not condone or defend their actions in entering the Capitol. Should they have sat by and meekly accepted the fait accompli, as the Germans did in 1933? Opinions differ. AFAIAC, the way to react was to follow legal remedies, and if they failed, take the country back in the next election. But that’s just me. Other people people see themselves more in the mold of the Minutemen. AKA insurrectionists. AKA Patriots.

Play a stupid game, win a stupid prize.

Like Nathan Hale. What a dumb ass. Or Nelson Mandela. His stupid game landed him in prison too.

Point is, Tanq, the history of the world is filled with people who died or went to prison fighting for causes they believed in. Your approval or disapproval does not define either them or their causes as stupid games.