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(03-09-2023 05:44 PM)MGMFIN86 Wrote:  Time to see Drew one last time

I can hear the chant from Cleveland: "Wie-Mers!" "Wie-Mers!" "Wie-Mers!"

And Dog Fan hears it also and says to himself: "Do i have my Wiemer out again?"
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Regardless of todays result, we definitely can say this season was an improvement over last season and they got another year of experience. I think we are going into the right direction so congrats to the players and staff!

Remember as the old saying goes, and i am not going to say that Rome was not built in a day instead: "The NIU Baseball Field wasn't built in a day, it is an ongoing and everlasting project."
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The arrow is up for men's hoops after this year. Today's game really bummed me out, but we should learn from it. We have some pieces to take this program to compete in the top tier in the MAC & the coach who can take us there.

Looking forward to getting K. Williams, Russell & Amos back & the development of Nutter, Coit, Niederhauser & Ibarguen.

My hats off to the Seniors who are leaving the program in a better place than when they came. Played hard and represented NIU always at a high level.

Let's get some stud recruits in this off season and build something sustainable for years to come.
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(03-09-2023 09:12 PM)ChicagoHuskie Wrote:  The arrow is up for men's hoops after this year. Today's game really bummed me out, but we should learn from it. We have some pieces to take this program to compete in the top tier in the MAC & the coach who can take us there.

Looking forward to getting K. Williams, Russell & Amos back & the development of Nutter, Coit, Niederhauser & Ibarguen.

My hats off to the Seniors who are leaving the program in a better place than when they came. Played hard and represented NIU always at a high level.

Let's get some stud recruits in this off season and build something sustainable for years to come.

I've not commented until now but just came here to say almost the exact same thing you said.

The game sucked but overall I'm pleased with everything. Kent State is a really good team and they flexed their muscle inside and on defense. And, I'm too encrouaged by the progress and look forward to next year (can't come fast enough for me!).

If we can keep those guys you mentioned, we should have a really good core. I'm sure I'll have some thoughts and offseason predictions in the next month or so, but right now, I'm just satisfied with how the season went.
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(03-09-2023 05:48 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  Trying hard to hang on to hear Burno's assessment after the end of the season but listening to Bill "the shill" Baker is way too painful. He'd like to go back and play the non-conference schedule "with the team we have now." Why and for what purpose. Typical would have, could have, should have thinking. So an embarrassing loss becomes a narrow loss or a narrow loss becomes a narrow win.....you can't re-write history. You are what your record says you are. This team is this team because of what they learned or didn't master all season long. I'd love to have seen Kenny Battle stay at NIU but the Cheatin' ILL-ness had a car plus money waiting; wish clueless O'Dell allowed Rosborough to coach Thomas, Whiteside, etc. as juniors and seniors; would love to have seen Huskies versus Texas Tech with a healthy TJ Lux; wish Hammel didn't get burnt out; would prefer NIU not have Patton and Montgomery submarine the program.
I'm with you. Great post!
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(03-10-2023 11:41 AM)chihuskie Wrote:  
(03-09-2023 05:48 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  Trying hard to hang on to hear Burno's assessment after the end of the season but listening to Bill "the shill" Baker is way too painful. He'd like to go back and play the non-conference schedule "with the team we have now." Why and for what purpose. Typical would have, could have, should have thinking. So an embarrassing loss becomes a narrow loss or a narrow loss becomes a narrow win.....you can't re-write history. You are what your record says you are. This team is this team because of what they learned or didn't master all season long. I'd love to have seen Kenny Battle stay at NIU but the Cheatin' ILL-ness had a car plus money waiting; wish clueless O'Dell allowed Rosborough to coach Thomas, Whiteside, etc. as juniors and seniors; would love to have seen Huskies versus Texas Tech with a healthy TJ Lux; wish Hammel didn't get burnt out; would prefer NIU not have Patton and Montgomery submarine the program.
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UINIU, I Understand the point you are getting at and by no means am I trying disparage that point, but i do want to correct one of your bullet points.Kenny Battle left because McDougal was let go, not because of car. When Kenny left NIU, the car might have come into play then.
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(03-10-2023 12:02 PM)Schaefer Beer Wrote:  
(03-10-2023 11:41 AM)chihuskie Wrote:  
(03-09-2023 05:48 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  Trying hard to hang on to hear Burno's assessment after the end of the season but listening to Bill "the shill" Baker is way too painful. He'd like to go back and play the non-conference schedule "with the team we have now." Why and for what purpose. Typical would have, could have, should have thinking. So an embarrassing loss becomes a narrow loss or a narrow loss becomes a narrow win.....you can't re-write history. You are what your record says you are. This team is this team because of what they learned or didn't master all season long. I'd love to have seen Kenny Battle stay at NIU but the Cheatin' ILL-ness had a car plus money waiting; wish clueless O'Dell allowed Rosborough to coach Thomas, Whiteside, etc. as juniors and seniors; would love to have seen Huskies versus Texas Tech with a healthy TJ Lux; wish Hammel didn't get burnt out; would prefer NIU not have Patton and Montgomery submarine the program.
I'm with you. Great post!


UINIU, I Understand the point you are getting at and by no means am I trying disparage that point, but i do want to correct one of your bullet points.Kenny Battle left because McDougal was let go, not because of car. When Kenny left NIU, the car might have come into play then.

This is absolutely 100% correct. Kenny Battle has said that if we hadn’t fired John McDougal he never would have left NIU. Don’t forget, McDougal was also Kenny’s high school coach.

It is time to stop the narrative blaming UI for his leaving. It was of our own making.
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All three of you are (somewhat) right. There's more to it, but McDougal and some of the others are gone so it doesn't matter now. I've advised this before on a thread -- let it go.
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(03-10-2023 12:53 PM)pvk75 Wrote:  All three of you are (somewhat) right. There's more to it, but MacDougal and some of the others are gone so it doesn't matter now. I've advised this before on a thread -- let it go.

Kinda funny to lament about Baker talking about the games that should have been and then to list off a half dozen or so moments from the previous decades about how things could have gone differently.
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(03-10-2023 12:53 PM)pvk75 Wrote:  All three of you are (somewhat) right. There's more to it, but MacDougal and some of the others are gone so it doesn't matter now. I've advised this before on a thread -- let it go.

Yes. Let it go or we will start talking about how Lou Henson called NIU a Jr College.
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MacDougal coached at battles hs but long before Kenny was there.
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(03-10-2023 01:15 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(03-10-2023 12:53 PM)pvk75 Wrote:  All three of you are (somewhat) right. There's more to it, but MacDougal and some of the others are gone so it doesn't matter now. I've advised this before on a thread -- let it go.

Kinda funny to lament about Baker talking about the games that should have been and then to list off a half dozen or so moments from the previous decades about how things could have gone differently.

That irony was the point. You cannot rewrite the past. Those previous situations would be far more important to replay than this year's early non-conference games. What was mentioned was to demonstrate the would of, could of, should of mentality. Although I doubt Burno would have done anything other than coach-speak, why not have Baker or Davis ask him whether he thought the 2023-24 Huskie basketball program would be hurt more or helped more by the portal? What is going to be Burno's point of emphasis in recruiting? Is there a plan to specifically improve or help returnees with their shortcomings? What is the best way for the NIU program to continue making progress? Rehashing the season that just ended is automatically going to include Burno thanking the seniors and I get that. But the season was done the minute the horn sounded versus Kent State and we as Huskie fans are now strictly interested in the future.
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That last sentence ... I'm loathe to be the one in this case, but maybe somebody needs to start a new thread focused on exactly/only that. Where the program is, prospects and where we hope/want it to go. The only "history" that matters IMO is who NIU has coming back who showed they're into what Burno is trying to do here. Good, bad or in-between. Just a thought. The "MAC MBB results" are in.
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(03-10-2023 03:32 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  
(03-10-2023 01:15 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(03-10-2023 12:53 PM)pvk75 Wrote:  All three of you are (somewhat) right. There's more to it, but MacDougal and some of the others are gone so it doesn't matter now. I've advised this before on a thread -- let it go.

Kinda funny to lament about Baker talking about the games that should have been and then to list off a half dozen or so moments from the previous decades about how things could have gone differently.

That irony was the point. You cannot rewrite the past. Those previous situations would be far more important to replay than this year's early non-conference games. What was mentioned was to demonstrate the would of, could of, should of mentality. Although I doubt Burno would have done anything other than coach-speak, why not have Baker or Davis ask him whether he thought the 2023-24 Huskie basketball program would be hurt more or helped more by the portal? What is going to be Burno's point of emphasis in recruiting? Is there a plan to specifically improve or help returnees with their shortcomings? What is the best way for the NIU program to continue making progress? Rehashing the season that just ended is automatically going to include Burno thanking the seniors and I get that. But the season was done the minute the horn sounded versus Kent State and we as Huskie fans are now strictly interested in the future.

Honestly, right after the season-ending loss is not the time to start asking him about recruiting and next year.
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(03-10-2023 04:01 PM)pvk75 Wrote:  That last sentence ... I'm loathe to be the one in this case, but maybe somebody needs to start a new thread focused on exactly/only that. Where the program is, prospects and where we hope/want it to go. The only "history" that matters IMO is who NIU has coming back who showed they're into what Burno is trying to do here. Good, bad or in-between. Just a thought. The "MAC MBB results" are in.

I typically take that on myself but, considering the season ended about 25 hours ago, I haven't quite had the time to get on it.

However, if you or anyone else wants to do, feel free.
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(03-10-2023 07:34 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(03-10-2023 04:01 PM)pvk75 Wrote:  That last sentence ... I'm loathe to be the one in this case, but maybe somebody needs to start a new thread focused on exactly/only that. Where the program is, prospects and where we hope/want it to go. The only "history" that matters IMO is who NIU has coming back who showed they're into what Burno is trying to do here. Good, bad or in-between. Just a thought. The "MAC MBB results" are in.

I typically take that on myself but, considering the season ended about 25 hours ago, I haven't quite had the time to get on it.

However, if you or anyone else wants to do, feel free.

I don’t believe Williams or Amos will be back. Need to get old quickly so portal, JUCO and Europe likely the recruiting targets. Coit, Nutter and Harvey nice to build around but need bigs that offer immediate help offensively and defensively. Taku should improve and Pinky should provide decent backup minutes as he gets stronger. Konan has to learn to play D without fouling. If Duro returns he needs to get much better offensively and stop fouling every possession.

Will be 6-7 new players next season which is scary but doable with portal
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(03-10-2023 08:33 PM)huskies77 Wrote:  
(03-10-2023 07:34 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(03-10-2023 04:01 PM)pvk75 Wrote:  That last sentence ... I'm loathe to be the one in this case, but maybe somebody needs to start a new thread focused on exactly/only that. Where the program is, prospects and where we hope/want it to go. The only "history" that matters IMO is who NIU has coming back who showed they're into what Burno is trying to do here. Good, bad or in-between. Just a thought. The "MAC MBB results" are in.

I typically take that on myself but, considering the season ended about 25 hours ago, I haven't quite had the time to get on it.

However, if you or anyone else wants to do, feel free.

I don’t believe Williams or Amos will be back. Need to get old quickly so portal, JUCO and Europe likely the recruiting targets. Coit, Nutter and Harvey nice to build around but need bigs that offer immediate help offensively and defensively. Taku should improve and Pinky should provide decent backup minutes as he gets stronger. Konan has to learn to play D without fouling. If Duro returns he needs to get much better offensively and stop fouling every possession.

Will be 6-7 new players next season which is scary but doable with portal

Curious to know why you think Williams or Amos won’t be back.
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Kids want to play in March Madness they really want that more than to help build a program. I will not be surprised by any kid that transfers. Kids also like the recruiting game.
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(03-10-2023 07:34 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(03-10-2023 04:01 PM)pvk75 Wrote:  That last sentence ... I'm loathe to be the one in this case, but maybe somebody needs to start a new thread focused on exactly/only that. Where the program is, prospects and where we hope/want it to go. The only "history" that matters IMO is who NIU has coming back who showed they're into what Burno is trying to do here. Good, bad or in-between. Just a thought. The "MAC MBB results" are in.

I typically take that on myself but, considering the season ended about 25 hours ago, I haven't quite had the time to get on it.

However, if you or anyone else wants to do, feel free.

Oh c'mon BR. You know I wasn't starting a timer on this; there is no rush. You can as always jump in when you have something to say. I myself don't have any prognostications either.

It is typical of this board, however, to start discussing the ins and outs of the season just ended at some point soon after. Some already have, which I suggested might be better on a new thread/clean slate.

As to any comment from Burno, there is typically a post-game video or release anyway. I think we should at least let him and the team get off the plane or bus. That won't -- and hasn't -- stopped any commentary before; I doubt it will now.
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(03-10-2023 09:08 PM)CollegeMan33 Wrote:  Kids want to play in March Madness they really want that more than to help build a program.

Aside from the two transfers, it would appear Northwestern's seniors were an exception to this theory.
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