Also:

No wonder Nuland and Kagan each have Israeli passports. I’d want a country that would hide me too if I’d done what they had.

While they keep their options open, look at what they cook up for the rest of us.

(02-24-2023 01:46 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Agree 100%.

You can watch the entire presentation.

Above it states that Nuland did not weigh “the likely chaos and consequences” that would ensue.

Doesn’t matter if she weighed them or no, because psychopaths DON’T CARE who is hurt or killed by their actions. They don’t care what it costs, who dies, or who pays, because it won’t be them. They don’t even care if it’s good for the country.

And we hand the reigns to people like her over and over.

Victoria Nuland's sister-in-law is a Supreme Court justice.

Victoria Nuland's husband Robert Kagan is Justice Elana Kagan's brother. But "Elana" does not show up on his Wiki page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kagan

WashDC is as bad or worse for nepotism than WWI being conducted to settle a spat between first cousins. <-- And if you didn't know that the world makes even more and even less sense.

(02-27-2023 02:40 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  Victoria Nuland's sister-in-law is a Supreme Court justice.

Victoria Nuland's husband Robert Kagan is Justice Elana Kagan's brother. But "Elana" does not show up on his Wiki page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kagan

WashDC is as bad or worse for nepotism than WWI being conducted to settle a spat between first cousins. <-- And if you didn't know that the world makes even more and even less sense.

And as polar opposites the 2 parties present themselves when it comes to getting donations and votes, they share an almost identical foreign policy. And there is a remarkable amount of slipperiness around party affiliations when it comes to certain Pentagon, military, and foreign policy people.

And why is that? Why do we go fight and create chaos in so many places? Well, virtually everyone, from politicians and diplomats to high ranking career military leaders makes investments in those locales. And it’s virtually impossible to find, trace, document etc.

If shady insider deals happened INSIDE the US, people would be all over it. There would be an easy paper trail to follow and it would simply wreak of corruption and dirty dealings—even a lazy and disinterested public would be outraged. It’s exactly the type of 3rd world level crap other countries are famous for.

But they can’t get away with that here. So they use our money to create places to easily get away with it. They are cashing in to the tune of hundreds and hundreds of billions taken straight from the taxpayers and lining their pockets.

(02-27-2023 03:12 PM)Todor Wrote:  And as polar opposites the 2 parties present themselves when it comes to getting donations and votes, they share an almost identical foreign policy. And there is a remarkable amount of slipperiness around party affiliations when it comes to certain Pentagon, military, and foreign policy people.

The "Uniparty" ... one coin with two sides.

It’s insane that there are people who support this war and have no clue about the background of this war which was encouraged and supported by the intelligence agencies and neoliberal/neoconservative block

“They’re just robber barons, they’re not legitimate businesses”
The CIA will go in and get control of the resources. They aren’t businesses. They just want to steal…

Those are the quotes of note from this video.

Of course, the Ukrainian flag waving Russia haters here will claim that’s not how the US operates in these types of wars and we are only there because it was Russia that initiated this entire sequence of events that got us here-their “Russian aggression” lol.

I always laugh whenever someone calls the invasion "unprovoked". We clearly provoked it.

(02-27-2023 06:45 PM)Todor Wrote:  “They’re just robber barons, they’re not legitimate businesses”
The CIA will go in and get control of the resources. They aren’t businesses. They just want to steal…

Those are the quotes of note from this video.

Of course, the Ukrainian flag waving Russia haters here will claim that’s not how the US operates in these types of wars and we are only there because it was Russia that initiated this entire sequence of events that got us here-their “Russian aggression” lol.

lol---The Russians always accuse people of exactly what they are doing. Go check out where the Ukrainian on shore and off shore (within their exclusive economic rights zone) oil reserves are.

(02-24-2023 01:46 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Also:

Peter Zeihan predicted the invasion even before then---and his prediction was based on entirely different (and I would say more accurate) reasons than that nut case pro-Russian apologist presented above).

(02-28-2023 08:33 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  I always laugh whenever someone calls the invasion "unprovoked". We clearly provoked it.

No "we" didnt---certainly no more than Russia "provoked" a Ukrainian move to join NATO when they invaded Georgia. The whole narrative of a "hostile" Ukraine is made up pixie dust. Lets say Ukraine joins NATO or the EU----How is becoming part of NATO "hostile" toward Russia? Its not like there would be an end to economic relations between the two nations---heck---the EU was a massive trading partner with Russia. The only difference is Russia could not invade Ukraine without taking on all of NATO.....which explains EXACTLY why these ex-Soviet puppet states want to be in NATO. They all understand that it was just a matter of time before someone rose to power in Russia with a desire to "empire build". Well---Putin is that guy. When someone says NATO provoked it---its merely (whether knowingly or not) an entirely made up Putin propaganda point that is designed really only to sell to his own population on war. Its a talking point thats not even designed for western consumption because its so easily disproven by anyone with a brain----yet many here repeat it as wrote fact. Absolutely amazing. NATO has never threatened to invade or attack Russia......yet on Russian State TV there are threats of attacks on NATO members daily.

If NATO really desired a war---the current circumstances would easily allow for NATO members to quickly aid Ukraine with boots on the ground and planes in the air----yet NATO has made it clear they have no intention of doing that and have limited aid to providing weapons (and even then, only very limited weapons specifically considered defensive in nature to prevent an escalation). Sorry---but that doesnt sound like the warmongering aggressive war provoking NATO the Putin propaganda repeaters are portraying.