(01-25-2023 08:47 AM)Stammers Wrote: You are as usual, being dishonest. Boogie had threatened to go home starting during his freshman season. Everyone (even you) knows this.
Here are Baugh's stats before and after Lomax' injury.
17 Games Before Lomax Injury
17.9 Minutes
3.5 Points
2.3 Assists
1.6 Turnovers
44.4% Field Goal
35.7% 3 Point (14 in 17 games, the exact thing people complain about Lomax)
68.8% Free Throws
9 Games After Lomax Injury
22.8 Minutes
2.7 Points
2.0 Assists
1.0 Turnovers
35.7% Field Goal
0.0% 3 Point (5 attempts in 9 games, the exact thing people complain about Lomax)
66.7% Free Throws
Baugh had 9 games without having to supposedly look over his shoulder for Lomax, and did worse with the additional playing time. Lomax played 22.7 minutes per game for the season, and that is based on my calculations not including Mississippi State, where he played 1 minute at the end of the game.
For 4 years you have constantly crapped on Lomax. During his recruitment you constantly told EVERYONE that they were IDIOTS for thinking that Lomax wasn't going to be a great point guard his entire career. Apparently high school rankings were for the birds and you knew better.
To summarize.
- During his recruitment, telling everyone Lomax was going to be a star
- During his entire career, relentlessly putting Lomax down
- Claiming Baugh didn't get an opportunity here, when he played 20 minutes per game as a freshman and sophmore.
- For his Memphis career, Baugh averaged less than 4 points and around 2.5 assists per game
- He was even worse AFTER Lomax got hurt
So that's where we are. You have had this explained to you dozens of times.
Not only that...
The 2019-20 season:
sophomore Lomax had 4 starts and avg 24 minutes
freshman Baugh had 25 and avg 21 minutes
freshman Boogie had 27 starts and avg 25 minutes
The next year:
Lomax had 4 starts and avg 22 minutes
Baugh had 4 starts and avg 20 minutes
Boogie had 15 starts and avg 23 minutes
The guys had opportunities.
Apparently better opportunities or development since & I'm thinking neither Boogie's current coach or Baugh's would trade them for Alo.
Very different players - all 3. No one except you is comparing Baugh & Boogie to Lomax - in a thread about Emoni.
I simply made the statement, "Not just Bates having a good year, there's Boogie at USC having another good year & Baugh at TCU who is an integral part of a good TCU team that beat Kansas the other night", which was a true statement germane to the fact that other GUARDS previously at Memphis were also having a good year" (but it didn't require a separate thread). You took that statement and turned that into a statistical presentation of performance two years ago at Memphis, which has nothing to do with my statement or current performance. And many think all three of the departed guards could have possibly made our current team better had they stayed, been developed & given the opportunities they have at their new schools (although I have my doubts Bates could/would ever be a team player but there should be no doubt we could use his perimeter shooting if it came without his negatives).
They are better offensively,,,But they are two years older
(01-26-2023 10:15 AM)Atlanta Wrote: Maybe you ought to advertise as a psychic - naw, word would get around you have no idea what you're talking about & you'd have no customers. And I didn't "follow up", I replied to a comment.
You made those statements. I love it how you always revert to semantic arguments when you're trapped in a corner with no ability to rationally argue your way out of it. Bottom line, people presented facts that clearly demonstrated you were wrong, and then your back pedaling begins. Accept it.
(01-26-2023 10:15 AM)Atlanta Wrote: Maybe you ought to advertise as a psychic - naw, word would get around you have no idea what you're talking about & you'd have no customers. And I didn't "follow up", I replied to a comment.
You made those statements. I love it how you always revert to semantic arguments when you're trapped in a corner with no ability to rationally argue your way out of it. Bottom line, people presented facts that clearly demonstrated you were wrong, and then your back pedaling begins. Accept it.
"Trapped in a corner", you make me laugh. Wrong? About Boogie & Baugh having good years? Really???
(01-26-2023 10:15 AM)Atlanta Wrote: Maybe you ought to advertise as a psychic - naw, word would get around you have no idea what you're talking about & you'd have no customers. And I didn't "follow up", I replied to a comment.
You made those statements. I love it how you always revert to semantic arguments when you're trapped in a corner with no ability to rationally argue your way out of it. Bottom line, people presented facts that clearly demonstrated you were wrong, and then your back pedaling begins. Accept it.
"Trapped in a corner", you make me laugh. Wrong? About Boogie & Baugh having good years? Really???
Keep pretending and deflecting. Cognitive dissonance has always been your strongest attribute.
(01-26-2023 10:15 AM)Atlanta Wrote: Maybe you ought to advertise as a psychic - naw, word would get around you have no idea what you're talking about & you'd have no customers. And I didn't "follow up", I replied to a comment.
You made those statements. I love it how you always revert to semantic arguments when you're trapped in a corner with no ability to rationally argue your way out of it. Bottom line, people presented facts that clearly demonstrated you were wrong, and then your back pedaling begins. Accept it.
"Trapped in a corner", you make me laugh. Wrong? About Boogie & Baugh having good years? Really???
Keep pretending and deflecting. Cognitive dissonance has always been your strongest attribute.
You have no clue how absurd you reasoning is. Apparently it all stems from the FACTS that Boogie & Baugh are successful since leaving our program SO you deflect & attempt to change the focus. Again I made a simple germane statement that not only Bates was having a good year but that two other GUARDS, previously a part of the Memphis program, are also having good years. Nothing more nothing less except responding to unrelated comments. And I then offered an opinion on response to non- relevant 2 yrs past stats that Boogie & Baugh, given their CURRENT performances, would have been a great backcourt for our current team - my opinion. There's no requirement for you to agree or even comment but you are welcome to say whatever.
(01-26-2023 10:40 AM)Atlanta Wrote: You have no clue how absurd you reasoning is. Apparently it all stems from the FACTS that Boogie & Baugh are successful since leaving our program SO you deflect & attempt to change the focus. Again I made a simple germane statement that not only Bates was having a good year but that two other GUARDS, previously a part of the Memphis program, are also having good years. Nothing more nothing less except responding to unrelated comments. And I then offered an opinion on response to non- relevant 2 yrs past stats that Boogie & Baugh, given their CURRENT performances, would have been a great backcourt for our current team - my opinion. There's no requirement for you to agree or even comment but you are welcome to say whatever.
Okay genius, since you're having trouble, this is all in reference to you implying they were being robbed of minutes and forced to sit behind players of inferior talent. If you go back and look at the facts, they received plenty of playing time, and their performance wasn't stellar. Initially I thought you were just deflecting as that tends to be go-to your tactic when cornered, but now I'm questioning your critical thinking skills.
Believe what you will, and continue to be amazed that the sun rises every morning.
(01-25-2023 01:41 AM)passat25 Wrote: I still miss Baugh.. He was a good kid, Penny ruined him.. and then pushed him out..
Boogie??? That kid was home sick all his time at Memphis.. We don't need players who miss his mama, his dog, his homies, his hood, etc.
Home always looks better when you are stuck playing behind guys that you know aren't as good as you are. I'm thinking Boogie & Baugh would have been a fine Memphis backcourt if they had been given the minutes they have received on their current teams - they've proven themselves with PT.
Quote:Home always looks better when you are stuck playing behind guys that you know aren't as good as you are.
You are as usual, being dishonest. Boogie had threatened to go home starting during his freshman season. Everyone (even you) knows this.
Here are Baugh's stats before and after Lomax' injury.
17 Games Before Lomax Injury
17.9 Minutes
3.5 Points
2.3 Assists
1.6 Turnovers
44.4% Field Goal
35.7% 3 Point (14 in 17 games, the exact thing people complain about Lomax)
68.8% Free Throws
9 Games After Lomax Injury
22.8 Minutes
2.7 Points
2.0 Assists
1.0 Turnovers
35.7% Field Goal
0.0% 3 Point (5 attempts in 9 games, the exact thing people complain about Lomax)
66.7% Free Throws
Baugh had 9 games without having to supposedly look over his shoulder for Lomax, and did worse with the additional playing time. Lomax played 22.7 minutes per game for the season, and that is based on my calculations not including Mississippi State, where he played 1 minute at the end of the game.
For 4 years you have constantly crapped on Lomax. During his recruitment you constantly told EVERYONE that they were IDIOTS for thinking that Lomax wasn't going to be a great point guard his entire career. Apparently high school rankings were for the birds and you knew better.
To summarize.
- During his recruitment, telling everyone Lomax was going to be a star
- During his entire career, relentlessly putting Lomax down
- Claiming Baugh didn't get an opportunity here, when he played 20 minutes per game as a freshman and sophmore.
- For his Memphis career, Baugh averaged less than 4 points and around 2.5 assists per game
- He was even worse AFTER Lomax got hurt
So that's where we are. You have had this explained to you dozens of times.
Not only that...
The 2019-20 season:
sophomore Lomax had 4 starts and avg 24 minutes
freshman Baugh had 25 and avg 21 minutes
freshman Boogie had 27 starts and avg 25 minutes
The next year:
Lomax had 4 starts and avg 22 minutes
Baugh had 4 starts and avg 20 minutes
Boogie had 15 starts and avg 23 minutes
The guys had opportunities.
Apparently better opportunities or development since & I'm thinking neither Boogie's current coach or Baugh's would trade them for Alo.
Baby steps. So after 3 years of having it explained to you, that your claim is nonsense, you are finally agreeing that Boogie and Baugh had more than ample opportunity, correct?
(This post was last modified: 01-26-2023 11:03 AM by Stammers.)
(01-26-2023 10:40 AM)Atlanta Wrote: You have no clue how absurd you reasoning is. Apparently it all stems from the FACTS that Boogie & Baugh are successful since leaving our program SO you deflect & attempt to change the focus. Again I made a simple germane statement that not only Bates was having a good year but that two other GUARDS, previously a part of the Memphis program, are also having good years. Nothing more nothing less except responding to unrelated comments. And I then offered an opinion on response to non- relevant 2 yrs past stats that Boogie & Baugh, given their CURRENT performances, would have been a great backcourt for our current team - my opinion. There's no requirement for you to agree or even comment but you are welcome to say whatever.
Okay genius, since you're having trouble, this is all in reference to you implying they were being robbed of minutes and forced to sit behind players of inferior talent. If you go back and look at the facts, they received plenty of playing time, and their performance wasn't stellar. Initially I thought you were just deflecting as that tends to be go-to your tactic when cornered, but now I'm questioning your critical thinking skills.
Believe what you will, and continue to be amazed that the sun rises every morning.
Given the current performances of Boogie & Baugh we can both speculate but you can't argue the facts away that Boogie & Baugh are performing well with different teams since moving on from Memphis. And BTW, you are confusing critical thinking with speculation - but you are good at that.....
(01-26-2023 09:59 AM)Atlanta Wrote: I simply made the statement, "Not just Bates having a good year, there's Boogie at USC having another good year & Baugh at TCU who is an integral part of a good TCU team that beat Kansas the other night", which was a true statement germane to the fact that other GUARDS previously at Memphis were also having a good year" (but it didn't require a separate thread). You took that statement and turned that into a statistical presentation of performance two years ago at Memphis, which has nothing to do with my statement or current performance.
Nobody believes your nonsense. You were using it as yet another vehicle to take a dig at Penny and the team. If you cared about honesty, you would have mentioned that you immediately followed it up with:
(01-25-2023 07:39 AM)Atlanta Wrote: Home always looks better when you are stuck playing behind guys that you know aren't as good as you are. I'm thinking Boogie & Baugh would have been a fine Memphis backcourt if they had been given the minutes they have received on their current teams - they've proven themselves with PT.
So stop pretending and trying to play the innocent.
Exactly.
He's bringing up a passive aggressive post that no one replied to. So he then followed it up with that purely aggressive post that I did reply to.
And then he cries that performance 2 years ago had nothing to do with his post - when it is exactly what he posted about.
(01-24-2023 09:27 PM)Atlanta Wrote: Not just Bates having a good year, there's Boogie at USC having another good year & Baugh at TCU who is an integral part of a good TCU team that beat Kansas the other night.
I still miss Baugh.. He was a good kid, Penny ruined him.. and then pushed him out..
Boogie??? That kid was home sick all his time at Memphis.. We don't need players who miss his mama, his dog, his homies, his hood, etc.
Home always looks better when you are stuck playing behind guys that you know aren't as good as you are. I'm thinking Boogie & Baugh would have been a fine Memphis backcourt if they had been given the minutes they have received on their current teams - they've proven themselves with PT.
I don't know if his memory is that bad, he thought he used a different alias, or he's just totally dishonest...So I've bumped the post that I and others have debunked.
It has nothing to do with the statement that Boogie and Baugh are doing good this year.
It has everything to do with saying they were not given opportunities here.
I know this will do no good with him - just a reminder to the rest of the board.
(01-26-2023 11:17 AM)Atlanta Wrote: Given the current performances of Boogie & Baugh we can both speculate but you can't argue the facts away that Boogie & Baugh are performing well with different teams since moving on from Memphis. And BTW, you are confusing critical thinking with speculation - but you are good at that.....
Most of the time, the only individual who is confused is you. I'll help you out yet again. When I referenced your lack of critical thinking skills in my post, I was specifically addressing your inability discern what is being discussed. So are you admitting that you use deflection as a tactic if it's not your lack of thinking ability? Again, you never fail to miss the point, just like with the AD's communications among many things.
Regarding current performance, they weren't being measured by hypothetical future performance that was years away, they were being measured by what they delivered at the moment the decisions were being made. Shouldn't you be more forgiving of not being able to predict the future? Barely a year ago you were spouting nonsense like this:
(11-28-2021 09:59 AM)Atlanta Wrote: And we are developing a long history of not even making the tourney much less get a high seed. The way this conference is viewed, we have to win early OOC to ensure we even make the tourney.
(01-26-2023 11:17 AM)Atlanta Wrote: Given the current performances of Boogie & Baugh we can both speculate but you can't argue the facts away that Boogie & Baugh are performing well with different teams since moving on from Memphis. And BTW, you are confusing critical thinking with speculation - but you are good at that.....
Most of the time, the only individual who is confused is you. I'll help you out yet again. When I referenced your lack of critical thinking skills in my post, I was specifically addressing your inability discern what is being discussed. So are you admitting that you use deflection as a tactic if it's not your lack of thinking ability? Again, you never fail to miss the point, just like with the AD's communications among many things.
Regarding current performance, they weren't being measured by hypothetical future performance that was years away, they were being measured by what they delivered at the moment the decisions were being made. Shouldn't you be more forgiving of not being able to predict the future? Barely a year ago you were spouting nonsense like this:
(11-28-2021 09:59 AM)Atlanta Wrote: And we are developing a long history of not even making the tourney much less get a high seed. The way this conference is viewed, we have to win early OOC to ensure we even make the tourney.
Thanks for all of the laughs.
Current performance IS current performance not two years ago. You know, just like the OP topic was pointing out Bates performance THIS year. Maybe you should rethink your reference, too. Before last season (my comment made before receiving a bid last year), when was the last time Memphis made the NCAA tourney? Further when was the last time Memphis received a high seed? You look foolish with this banter.
(11-28-2021 09:59 AM)Atlanta Wrote: And we are developing a long history of not even making the tourney much less get a high seed. The way this conference is viewed, we have to win early OOC to ensure we even make the tourney.
Thanks for all of the laughs.
Current performance IS current performance not two years ago. You know, just like the OP topic was pointing out Bates performance THIS year. Maybe you should rethink your reference, too. Before last season (my comment made before receiving a bid last year), when was the last time Memphis made the NCAA tourney? Further when was the last time Memphis received a high seed? You look foolish with this banter.
We had to win early OOC just to make the tourney last year, and we surely continued our long history of not making the tournament. You keep doing you. Ha ha ha!
(11-28-2021 09:59 AM)Atlanta Wrote: And we are developing a long history of not even making the tourney much less get a high seed. The way this conference is viewed, we have to win early OOC to ensure we even make the tourney.
Thanks for all of the laughs.
Current performance IS current performance not two years ago. You know, just like the OP topic was pointing out Bates performance THIS year. Maybe you should rethink your reference, too. Before last season (my comment made before receiving a bid last year), when was the last time Memphis made the NCAA tourney? Further when was the last time Memphis received a high seed? You look foolish with this banter.
We had to win early OOC just to make the tourney last year, and we surely continued our long history of not making the tournament. You keep doing you. Ha ha ha!
Where have you been for the last 5 yrs? Even Penny has stated we need to win early & the AAC conference NCAA bid history speaks for itself (ours as well - you never did answer how many years prior to last season since our last bid). It's why Penny has upped the OOC schedule. Your arguments are lame & completely unrelated to whether Bates (& other guards that I mentioned) are having good years. But I suppose you have to find something to argue about.
(This post was last modified: 01-26-2023 12:21 PM by Atlanta.)
(01-26-2023 12:19 PM)Atlanta Wrote: Where have you been for the last 5 yrs? Even Penny has stated we need to win early & the AAC conference NCAA bid history speaks for itself (ours as well - you never did answer how many years prior to last season since our last bid). It's why Penny has upped the OOC schedule. Your arguments are lame & completely unrelated to whether Bates (& other guards that I mentioned) are having good years. But I suppose you have to find something to argue about.
Actually, all of my posts were specifically regarding Bates until you derailed this thread with more of your nonsense, but you keep doing you. You can't even stay on topic with all of the bouncing around to deflect that you do. Tell me again how we had to win OOC to make the tournament, because that's not what happened. Unless my memory is failing me, we surely made the second round in spite of performing poorly against cupcakes.
(01-26-2023 12:19 PM)Atlanta Wrote: Where have you been for the last 5 yrs? Even Penny has stated we need to win early & the AAC conference NCAA bid history speaks for itself (ours as well - you never did answer how many years prior to last season since our last bid). It's why Penny has upped the OOC schedule. Your arguments are lame & completely unrelated to whether Bates (& other guards that I mentioned) are having good years. But I suppose you have to find something to argue about.
Actually, all of my posts were specifically regarding Bates until you derailed this thread with more of your nonsense, but you keep doing you. You can't even stay on topic with all of the bouncing around to deflect that you do. Tell me again how we had to win OOC to make the tournament, because that's not what happened. Unless my memory is failing me, we surely made the second round in spite of performing poorly against cupcakes.
Atlanta and Simple Jack. Two peas in a pod.
Argue with Penny over the need to win early but it's obvious given the AAC track record for NCAA bids. But glad to see you spend so much time looking up my past comments. Glad to know I'm in your head rent free, lol. You are way too easy.....
(01-26-2023 12:19 PM)Atlanta Wrote: Where have you been for the last 5 yrs? Even Penny has stated we need to win early & the AAC conference NCAA bid history speaks for itself (ours as well - you never did answer how many years prior to last season since our last bid). It's why Penny has upped the OOC schedule. Your arguments are lame & completely unrelated to whether Bates (& other guards that I mentioned) are having good years. But I suppose you have to find something to argue about.
Actually, all of my posts were specifically regarding Bates until you derailed this thread with more of your nonsense, but you keep doing you. You can't even stay on topic with all of the bouncing around to deflect that you do. Tell me again how we had to win OOC to make the tournament, because that's not what happened. Unless my memory is failing me, we surely made the second round in spite of performing poorly against cupcakes.
Atlanta and Simple Jack. Two peas in a pod.
Argue with Penny over the need to win early but it's obvious given the AAC track record for NCAA bids. But glad to see you spend so much time looking up my past comments. Glad to know I'm in your head rent free, lol. You are way too easy.....
He never said we wouldn't make the tournament (because we certainly didn't win OOC), unlike you. Again, just stop. Haven't you noticed? Nobody believes you and the only person who supports your drivel is Simple Jack. Enough said. It's clear that you're triggered and everybody is laughing at you, are you a masochist?
If you want to stubbornly bury your head in the sand (or your derriere) that's your prerogative, but for the sake of the board, I will agree to disagree. Feel better?
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