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RE: CUSA TV Deal released
(01-20-2023 05:19 PM)inutech Wrote:  ... It's cool when college football twitter is buzzing about a MACtion snow game or shootout or stud player or crazy ending or unusual play. That's really fun for all of us general college football fans (and we wouldn't get nearly as much if all their games were streaming somewhere, even on ESPN+ on Saturday against our own schools and all the big names). But I doubt it ever pays off past that.

"Exposure" is a really nebulous term. Of course more people will see the game and over time maybe(????) that has a tangible payoff. But it hasn't seemed that way for the MAC.

With my limited knowledge, I look at the pros and cons and lean (very much) one way. But the CUSA brain trust saw it differently (and they got to see the numbers - and are the ones buying the soccer team's uniforms). ...

I'll set the "doubt whether CUSA had a better deal on the table" to one side. There's no place this side of the Big Rock Candy Mountain where CUSA, after the realignment it just went through, would get a better deal than this, in terms of either revenue or exposure.

As far as the impact on the conference, the question is whether the impact you are looking at is the perceived benefit to the football team, or the perceived benefit to the school as a whole. I expect that the Presidents of the MAC schools that value and invest in football the most would say they would rather have the exposure on TV over the larger attendance for those ~2 home games.

Now for my Golden Flashes, they probably are just raising their hands for the contract that gets a bigger distribution and gets all of the home basketball games on ESPN+ or better (when a while back there were games that were not available even for the fans who were looking to watch them). After flirting with raising the priority they place on football after the "flash in the pan" 2012 season, things settled down again and the decision was made that our priority was going to be basketball after all.

But for the more football-first schools, where a lot of fans would be complaining even more loudly about the midweek games ... if the midweek games and the revenue that goes with those game were cut, and most games were played on Saturday afternoon on ESPN+/ESPN3, those fans still wouldn't generate the revenue to replace the ESPN #MACtion revenue.

Whether wise or foolish, he who pays the piper often calls the tune. Even at those schools, it's the Presidents who are in effect paying for and requiring students to pay for the school to play at the FBS level, and they clearly prefer the exposure.
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Every conference is making more TV money nowadays. I'm not sure why people are surprised that C-USA is getting more money.


This 2009 Al.com article lists the SEC's money from 1980-2009. In 1980, the payout was $4.1 million or $410,000 per school. Even by 2009, it was only $132.9 million or $11.1 million per school. Lol.

https://www.al.com/chatter/2009/05/sec_d...ord_p.html
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I'm not sure why C-USA and the MAC still even sorta try.
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(01-25-2023 07:20 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I'm not sure why C-USA and the MAC still even sorta try.

Because the whole world doesn't revolve around Ohio State, Alabama, Texas and Georgia.
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(01-25-2023 07:20 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I'm not sure why C-USA and the MAC still even sorta try.

Because they can play in a rinky-dink bowl and still get exposure to millions of viewers.
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Conference USA times on national TV in 2023 (all platforms):

Liberty 8
UTEP 8
La. Tech 7
Sam Houston St. 7
WKU - 6
Jax. State - 6
FIU - 6
MTSU - 5
New Mexico St - 5

Say what you want about the TV/media deal, but CUSA teams will be on TV more on average than Sun Belt teams and slightly more than MAC teams. (I counted national TV as CBS, NBA, ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, FS1, FS2, Fox sports, CBS Sports Network, SEC Network, ACC Network, and Big 10 Network. I get that CUSA teams won't make quite as much money, and yes, the midweek October games, but can't argue with the exposure.
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(06-14-2023 09:34 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  Say what you want about the TV/media deal

Please don't tempt me like this.
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(06-14-2023 09:44 PM)inutech Wrote:  
(06-14-2023 09:34 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  Say what you want about the TV/media deal

Please don't tempt me like this.

IMO midweek games are fan base killers. Trading attendance for TV money is counterproductive, especially for G5 schools. So until proven otherwise, "mid-week games are the devil!"
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(06-14-2023 11:26 PM)LUOrange Wrote:  
(06-14-2023 09:44 PM)inutech Wrote:  
(06-14-2023 09:34 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  Say what you want about the TV/media deal

Please don't tempt me like this.

IMO midweek games are fan base killers. Trading attendance for TV money is counterproductive, especially for G5 schools. So until proven otherwise, "mid-week games are the devil!"

Do a lot of G5 grads have Saturday off?? I'm guessing so, but not all jobs work like that. Retail will schedule you a lot on Saturday; it's a huge day for retailers. The only reason I have it off is so that I can spend time wirh my son per my divorce agreemenr, but I am very well aware that not everyone has that, and as far as retail goes, my situation should be considered the exception and not the rule
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I wonder if the Pac can beat this deal?
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(06-14-2023 11:26 PM)LUOrange Wrote:  
(06-14-2023 09:44 PM)inutech Wrote:  
(06-14-2023 09:34 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  Say what you want about the TV/media deal

Please don't tempt me like this.

IMO midweek games are fan base killers. Trading attendance for TV money is counterproductive, especially for G5 schools. So until proven otherwise, "mid-week games are the devil!"

The same people who say midweeks are terrible will talk about the greatest of a Thursday or Friday game. Tuesday and Wednesday would be my preferred days. No one playing on those nights unless some JV, Jr High or Pee Wee play on Tuesdays. Not much going on so go watch a game or sit on the couch to watch.
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(01-25-2023 09:37 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(01-25-2023 07:20 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I'm not sure why C-USA and the MAC still even sorta try.

Because they can play in a rinky-dink bowl and still get exposure to millions of viewers.

Indeed, beating Washington State in the Sun Bowl on CBS two years ago was great for CMU.
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The kind of travel Conf-USA is looking at coupled with mid-week games? Freakin' brutal.
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(06-14-2023 09:34 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  Conference USA times on national TV in 2023 (all platforms):

Liberty 8
UTEP 8
La. Tech 7
Sam Houston St. 7
WKU - 6
Jax. State - 6
FIU - 6
MTSU - 5
New Mexico St - 5

Say what you want about the TV/media deal, but CUSA teams will be on TV more on average than Sun Belt teams and slightly more than MAC teams. (I counted national TV as CBS, NBA, ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, FS1, FS2, Fox sports, CBS Sports Network, SEC Network, ACC Network, and Big 10 Network. I get that CUSA teams won't make quite as much money, and yes, the midweek October games, but can't argue with the exposure.

Link? (throw's challenge flag) Because the SBC and the MAC have only had their first 3 weeks of games on TV/channels released.
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To my knowledge, C-USA, the SBC, and the MAC are the only three FBS conferences with games on Tuesdays or Wednesdays. The other seven appear a least a few times on Thursdays or Fridays.

So among the three, I think the SBC strikes the best balance. Their teams get those midweek game exposure on ESPN/2/U where they're the only college games those nights, but each team gets no more than one home game those inconvenient-for-attending nights. So the rest of the five or six game home slate is on Saturdays or Thursdays. (Thursdays aren't easy to attend, either, but they only require Monday-Friday workers to take Fridays or at most Thurs/Fri off. Tues/Wed demand as much as three days PTO, not to mention the days kids miss from school.)

C-USA gets on TV more, but it's a big ask of fans to miss multiple days of work multiple times per fall. And it's not on as widely viewed networks as ESPN/2/U. The MAC has the ESPN networks, but those games are at night, midweek, in rather cold Temps. It's been harming attendance for a generation. SBC just seems more mindful of getting on TV but also minimizing inconvenience for fans.
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(06-15-2023 06:46 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  
(06-14-2023 09:34 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  Conference USA times on national TV in 2023 (all platforms):

Liberty 8
UTEP 8
La. Tech 7
Sam Houston St. 7
WKU - 6
Jax. State - 6
FIU - 6
MTSU - 5
New Mexico St - 5

Say what you want about the TV/media deal, but CUSA teams will be on TV more on average than Sun Belt teams and slightly more than MAC teams. (I counted national TV as CBS, NBA, ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, FS1, FS2, Fox sports, CBS Sports Network, SEC Network, ACC Network, and Big 10 Network. I get that CUSA teams won't make quite as much money, and yes, the midweek October games, but can't argue with the exposure.

Link? (throw's challenge flag) Because the SBC and the MAC have only had their first 3 weeks of games on TV/channels released.

If true, its probably because CUSA accepted more 1 and done deals. So they are on tv more because of they are the visiting team for a game hosted by another conference's tv deal.

You can't just count the number of times someone is on tv and say they got a better tv deal.
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(06-15-2023 08:05 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  
(06-15-2023 06:46 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  
(06-14-2023 09:34 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  Conference USA times on national TV in 2023 (all platforms):

Liberty 8
UTEP 8
La. Tech 7
Sam Houston St. 7
WKU - 6
Jax. State - 6
FIU - 6
MTSU - 5
New Mexico St - 5

Say what you want about the TV/media deal, but CUSA teams will be on TV more on average than Sun Belt teams and slightly more than MAC teams. (I counted national TV as CBS, NBA, ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, FS1, FS2, Fox sports, CBS Sports Network, SEC Network, ACC Network, and Big 10 Network. I get that CUSA teams won't make quite as much money, and yes, the midweek October games, but can't argue with the exposure.

Link? (throw's challenge flag) Because the SBC and the MAC have only had their first 3 weeks of games on TV/channels released.

If true, its probably because CUSA accepted more 1 and done deals. So they are on tv more because of they are the visiting team for a game hosted by another conference's tv deal.

You can't just count the number of times someone is on tv and say they got a better tv deal.

Another factor is CBS-SN, which is probably comparable to ESPN+ at this point.
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(01-25-2023 07:20 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I'm not sure why C-USA and the MAC still even sorta try.

(06-15-2023 08:05 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  
(06-15-2023 06:46 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  
(06-14-2023 09:34 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  Conference USA times on national TV in 2023 (all platforms):

Liberty 8
UTEP 8
La. Tech 7
Sam Houston St. 7
WKU - 6
Jax. State - 6
FIU - 6
MTSU - 5
New Mexico St - 5

Say what you want about the TV/media deal, but CUSA teams will be on TV more on average than Sun Belt teams and slightly more than MAC teams. (I counted national TV as CBS, NBA, ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, FS1, FS2, Fox sports, CBS Sports Network, SEC Network, ACC Network, and Big 10 Network. I get that CUSA teams won't make quite as much money, and yes, the midweek October games, but can't argue with the exposure.

Link? (throw's challenge flag) Because the SBC and the MAC have only had their first 3 weeks of games on TV/channels released.

If true, its probably because CUSA accepted more 1 and done deals. So they are on tv more because of they are the visiting team for a game hosted by another conference's tv deal.

You can't just count the number of times someone is on tv and say they got a better tv deal.

Did someone say that?
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(01-25-2023 07:20 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I'm not sure why C-USA and the MAC still even sorta try.

(06-15-2023 08:05 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  
(06-15-2023 06:46 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  
(06-14-2023 09:34 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  Conference USA times on national TV in 2023 (all platforms):

Liberty 8
UTEP 8
La. Tech 7
Sam Houston St. 7
WKU - 6
Jax. State - 6
FIU - 6
MTSU - 5
New Mexico St - 5

Say what you want about the TV/media deal, but CUSA teams will be on TV more on average than Sun Belt teams and slightly more than MAC teams. (I counted national TV as CBS, NBA, ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, FS1, FS2, Fox sports, CBS Sports Network, SEC Network, ACC Network, and Big 10 Network. I get that CUSA teams won't make quite as much money, and yes, the midweek October games, but can't argue with the exposure.

Link? (throw's challenge flag) Because the SBC and the MAC have only had their first 3 weeks of games on TV/channels released.

If true, its probably because CUSA accepted more 1 and done deals. So they are on tv more because of they are the visiting team for a game hosted by another conference's tv deal.

You can't just count the number of times someone is on tv and say they got a better tv deal.

No, it'd be because of the October month-of-weeknight-shame thing and the fact that there are fewer total programs. I bet on average we do about the same number of $ games as the other G-5s.
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(06-15-2023 08:52 AM)inutech Wrote:  
(01-25-2023 07:20 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I'm not sure why C-USA and the MAC still even sorta try.

(06-15-2023 08:05 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  
(06-15-2023 06:46 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  
(06-14-2023 09:34 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  Conference USA times on national TV in 2023 (all platforms):

Liberty 8
UTEP 8
La. Tech 7
Sam Houston St. 7
WKU - 6
Jax. State - 6
FIU - 6
MTSU - 5
New Mexico St - 5

Say what you want about the TV/media deal, but CUSA teams will be on TV more on average than Sun Belt teams and slightly more than MAC teams. (I counted national TV as CBS, NBA, ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, FS1, FS2, Fox sports, CBS Sports Network, SEC Network, ACC Network, and Big 10 Network. I get that CUSA teams won't make quite as much money, and yes, the midweek October games, but can't argue with the exposure.

Link? (throw's challenge flag) Because the SBC and the MAC have only had their first 3 weeks of games on TV/channels released.

If true, its probably because CUSA accepted more 1 and done deals. So they are on tv more because of they are the visiting team for a game hosted by another conference's tv deal.

You can't just count the number of times someone is on tv and say they got a better tv deal.

Did someone say that?

Isn't that what the Liberty fan is saying?
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