For sure, there will be more announcements like this in the coming months. Any school that has had problems in recent years is vulnerable. A school like Hannibal-LaGrange that had to raise a bunch of money just ti stay open this year is going to be in a tough spot. Yes, donors come thru when they’re needed at first, but in Hannibal’s case a lot of that money went to getting them out of debt. They had huge cutbacks as well. But this is a tough time to recruit to private colleges.

Many colleges that close have tried everything. They close when none of their strategies worked, the money has run out, and there isn’t much left to try. Unless a school found a new magic formula, once the process begins, it’s nearly impossible to get out of. Too many strategies simply take more time and money than most struggling schools have left.

(01-18-2023 12:40 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(01-17-2023 11:52 PM)Pastasevensamurai Wrote:  It’s time for the department of education start looking at financial documents of the small privates schools. Too many schools are closing up. This decision wasn’t made overnight.

Do they have jurisdiction? Just found this after a 2 minute search.

Unlike the systems of many other countries, education in the United States is decentralized. Due to the courts and lawmakers' interpretation of the 10th Amendment, this means the federal government and Department of Education are not involved in determining curricula or educational standards or establishing schools or colleges. The Department of Defense Education Activity (DoDEA) oversees schools located on American military bases and the Department of the Interior's Bureau of Indian Education supports tribally-controlled schools. The quality of higher education institutions and their degrees are maintained through an informal private process known as accreditation, over which the Department of Education has no direct public jurisdictional control.

In theory, if they were somehow marked as ineligible for receiving federal student financial aid because their finances aren't in order it would be tantamount to being shut down by the government.

Tough to see that ever happening barring outright fraud.

https://www.texasfootball.com/article/20...review_img

Sul Ross State coming to the Lone Star. Might be other changes.

(01-19-2023 09:33 PM)AZcats Wrote:  https://www.texasfootball.com/article/20...review_img

Sul Ross State coming to the Lone Star. Might be other changes.

Per the article, the LSC relationship with the GNAC is in question. Sounds like they might keep Central Washington and Western Oregon as affiliates, and leave Simon Fraser in the dust.

Also, it leaves the ASC with four members for football: Mary Hardin-Baylor, Hardin-Simmons, Howard Payne, and East Texas Baptist.

(01-19-2023 10:20 PM)johnintx Wrote:  

(01-19-2023 09:33 PM)AZcats Wrote:  https://www.texasfootball.com/article/20...review_img

Sul Ross State coming to the Lone Star. Might be other changes.

Per the article, the LSC relationship with the GNAC is in question. Sounds like they might keep Central Washington and Western Oregon as affiliates, and leave Simon Fraser in the dust.

Also, it leaves the ASC with four members for football: Mary Hardin-Baylor, Hardin-Simmons, Howard Payne, and East Texas Baptist.

I think Central Washington and Western Oregon might be looking for a more friendly regional conference for football. The only one I can think of to be there is Big Sky. Could Big Sky loses schools to FBS? Those two and maybe Colorado Mesa could join the Big Sky.

(01-19-2023 10:20 PM)johnintx Wrote:  

(01-19-2023 09:33 PM)AZcats Wrote:  https://www.texasfootball.com/article/20...review_img

Sul Ross State coming to the Lone Star. Might be other changes.

Per the article, the LSC relationship with the GNAC is in question. Sounds like they might keep Central Washington and Western Oregon as affiliates, and leave Simon Fraser in the dust.

Also, it leaves the ASC with four members for football: Mary Hardin-Baylor, Hardin-Simmons, Howard Payne, and East Texas Baptist.

The LSC had seven members. Add in the three GNAC schools to make 10 teams, which played a 9-game full round robin. DII only play 10 games, so each only had one OOC game, which appears to often be a buy game against an FCS school.

With 11 teams you can't all play nine games, but you could have one LSC play 10 games (3 against the GNAC and 7 LSC). Three LSC teams would play 2 GNAC and 7 LSC, and four LSC teams would play 3 GNAC and 6 LSC.

If you were concerned about conference standings, the team that plays 10 games would draw one to not count in the standings. It would be in a sealed envelope in a vault at the conference office, to be opened at the end of the season.

(01-19-2023 10:20 PM)johnintx Wrote:  

(01-19-2023 09:33 PM)AZcats Wrote:  https://www.texasfootball.com/article/20...review_img

Sul Ross State coming to the Lone Star. Might be other changes.

Per the article, the LSC relationship with the GNAC is in question. Sounds like they might keep Central Washington and Western Oregon as affiliates, and leave Simon Fraser in the dust.

Also, it leaves the ASC with four members for football: Mary Hardin-Baylor, Hardin-Simmons, Howard Payne, and East Texas Baptist.

It would be a bs move for the Lone Star to drop Simon Fraser. So you have 11 teams with Sul Ross State; the Northern Sun and the GLIAC have an odd number of teams. I don't believe CWU and WOU would be happy to see their GNAC mate treated like that. Go ahead and expand with another football school to get to 12.

Of course David is going to repost the only solution he ever offers. Western Oregon offers less than half of the D2 maximum on scholarships, there is no way they would be able to get up to 63 in D1.

D2 plays 11 games so whatever was said about a 10-game schedule is meaningless.

(01-20-2023 12:25 AM)AZcats Wrote:  

(01-19-2023 10:20 PM)johnintx Wrote:  

(01-19-2023 09:33 PM)AZcats Wrote:  https://www.texasfootball.com/article/20...review_img

Sul Ross State coming to the Lone Star. Might be other changes.

Per the article, the LSC relationship with the GNAC is in question. Sounds like they might keep Central Washington and Western Oregon as affiliates, and leave Simon Fraser in the dust.

Also, it leaves the ASC with four members for football: Mary Hardin-Baylor, Hardin-Simmons, Howard Payne, and East Texas Baptist.

It would be a bs move for the Lone Star to drop Simon Fraser. So you have 11 teams with Sul Ross State; the Northern Sun and the GLIAC have an odd number of teams. I don't believe CWU and WOU would be happy to see their GNAC mate treated like that. Go ahead and expand with another football school to get to 12.

Of course David is going to repost the only solution he ever offers. Western Oregon offers less than half of the D2 maximum on scholarships, there is no way they would be able to get up to 63 in D1.

D2 plays 11 games so whatever was said about a 10-game schedule is meaningless.

I had looked at the Simon Fraser and Western Oregon and they played 10 games. Central Washington played 11, but one of the OOC games was against Lincoln University.

So with 11 teams, they can play a round-robin of 10 games. The GNAC schools might be satisfied with that. The MIAA has 12 football members and they played entirely in conference.

DII conferences tend to be large because the NCAA Division II requires 10 teams.

It sucks for Simon Frasier, but it would make a lot of sense to have the 8 full members + 2 affiliates for a 9 game schedule. Every Texas school then only has to make one PNW trip and no one has to deal with passports into Canada.

It might be time for Simon Frasier to go back to Canadian football.

(01-20-2023 07:40 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  It sucks for Simon Frasier, but it would make a lot of sense to have the 8 full members + 2 affiliates for a 9 game schedule. Every Texas school then only has to make one PNW trip and no one has to deal with passports into Canada.

It might be time for Simon Frasier to go back to Canadian football.

Or the NAIA, where they were before going D2. They were dominant in some of their sports there.

(01-20-2023 10:09 AM)teamvsn Wrote:  

(01-20-2023 07:40 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  It sucks for Simon Frasier, but it would make a lot of sense to have the 8 full members + 2 affiliates for a 9 game schedule. Every Texas school then only has to make one PNW trip and no one has to deal with passports into Canada.

It might be time for Simon Frasier to go back to Canadian football.

Or the NAIA, where they were before going D2. They were dominant in some of their sports there.

I think Simon Fraser was playing Canadian football during the end of their NAIA tenure if memory serves.

Pacific Northwest Christian College Added Sports, Partners With NJCAA


Looks like region 18 which would give Snow another football team. Arizona schools must have rejected Community Christian College out of California since they are listed in region 18.

(01-20-2023 10:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Pacific Northwest Christian College Added Sports, Partners With NJCAA


Looks like region 18 which would give Snow another football team. Arizona schools must have rejected Community Christian College out of California since they are listed in region 18.

Even though credits from TRACS accredited schools are widely accepted now, PNWCC has an impressive list of schools with whom they have solid transfer agreements in place.

Yes, they have some of the area private schools like Northwest Nazarene, Corban, and Northwestern University, they also have state schools like Eastern Oregon, Lewis and Clark State, and Eastern Washington. Seems like the publics are typically slower to formalize transfer agreements with newer, smaller Christian colleges and take it on a case by case basis.

Also being in the Tri Cities is huge plus for this college. Easy to get to, nice climate, a fast growing area, easy and direct flights from anywhere in the West for students or athletic purposes. Nice city for a private Christian college.

Also, I’ve never found a definite answer on NJCAA requirements. They have accepted several members with non regional accreditation such as TRACS. I’m not sure if it’s on a case by case basis or automatic for them.

(01-20-2023 11:22 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(01-20-2023 10:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Pacific Northwest Christian College Added Sports, Partners With NJCAA


Looks like region 18 which would give Snow another football team. Arizona schools must have rejected Community Christian College out of California since they are listed in region 18.

Even though credits from TRACS accredited schools are widely accepted now, PNWCC has an impressive list of schools with whom they have solid transfer agreements in place.

Yes, they have some of the area private schools like Northwest Nazarene, Corban, and Northwestern University, they also have state schools like Eastern Oregon, Lewis and Clark State, and Eastern Washington. Seems like the publics are typically slower to formalize transfer agreements with newer, smaller Christian colleges and take it on a case by case basis.

Also being in the Tri Cities is huge plus for this college. Easy to get to, nice climate, a fast growing area, easy and direct flights from anywhere in the West for students or athletic purposes. Nice city for a private Christian college.

Also, I’ve never found a definite answer on NJCAA requirements. They have accepted several members with non regional accreditation such as TRACS. I’m not sure if it’s on a case by case basis or automatic for them.

Yes, there are a lot of private schools listed. Arkansas Baptist was one of the several 4 year schools privates that are in NJCAA. I am going to see some more schools like Bismarck State to join NAIA soon. Now, NJCAA have a team in California and one in Washington.

(01-21-2023 11:38 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-20-2023 11:22 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(01-20-2023 10:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Pacific Northwest Christian College Added Sports, Partners With NJCAA


Looks like region 18 which would give Snow another football team. Arizona schools must have rejected Community Christian College out of California since they are listed in region 18.

Even though credits from TRACS accredited schools are widely accepted now, PNWCC has an impressive list of schools with whom they have solid transfer agreements in place.

Yes, they have some of the area private schools like Northwest Nazarene, Corban, and Northwestern University, they also have state schools like Eastern Oregon, Lewis and Clark State, and Eastern Washington. Seems like the publics are typically slower to formalize transfer agreements with newer, smaller Christian colleges and take it on a case by case basis.

Also being in the Tri Cities is huge plus for this college. Easy to get to, nice climate, a fast growing area, easy and direct flights from anywhere in the West for students or athletic purposes. Nice city for a private Christian college.

Also, I’ve never found a definite answer on NJCAA requirements. They have accepted several members with non regional accreditation such as TRACS. I’m not sure if it’s on a case by case basis or automatic for them.

Yes, there are a lot of private schools listed. Arkansas Baptist was one of the several 4 year schools privates that are in NJCAA. I am going to see some more schools like Bismarck State to join NAIA soon. Now, NJCAA have a team in California and one in Washington.

I thought Arkansas Baptist moved to NAIA in 2020.

(01-22-2023 09:24 AM)Usajags Wrote:  

(01-21-2023 11:38 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Yes, there are a lot of private schools listed. Arkansas Baptist was one of the several 4 year schools privates that are in NJCAA. I am going to see some more schools like Bismarck State to join NAIA soon. Now, NJCAA have a team in California and one in Washington.

I thought Arkansas Baptist moved to NAIA in 2020.

In 2021 but yeah they are NAIA.

(01-22-2023 09:24 AM)Usajags Wrote:  

(01-21-2023 11:38 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-20-2023 11:22 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(01-20-2023 10:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Pacific Northwest Christian College Added Sports, Partners With NJCAA


Looks like region 18 which would give Snow another football team. Arizona schools must have rejected Community Christian College out of California since they are listed in region 18.

Even though credits from TRACS accredited schools are widely accepted now, PNWCC has an impressive list of schools with whom they have solid transfer agreements in place.

Yes, they have some of the area private schools like Northwest Nazarene, Corban, and Northwestern University, they also have state schools like Eastern Oregon, Lewis and Clark State, and Eastern Washington. Seems like the publics are typically slower to formalize transfer agreements with newer, smaller Christian colleges and take it on a case by case basis.

Also being in the Tri Cities is huge plus for this college. Easy to get to, nice climate, a fast growing area, easy and direct flights from anywhere in the West for students or athletic purposes. Nice city for a private Christian college.

Also, I’ve never found a definite answer on NJCAA requirements. They have accepted several members with non regional accreditation such as TRACS. I’m not sure if it’s on a case by case basis or automatic for them.

Yes, there are a lot of private schools listed. Arkansas Baptist was one of the several 4 year schools privates that are in NJCAA. I am going to see some more schools like Bismarck State to join NAIA soon. Now, NJCAA have a team in California and one in Washington.

I thought Arkansas Baptist moved to NAIA in 2020.

They are still listed as an NJCAA member on that site.

Carolina Christian College was formally named Winston-Salem Bible College until 2007. They recently started to add sports. They are a 4 year college in the USCAA. They just need to get TRACs and the regional to join the NCCAA and NAIA.

(01-22-2023 12:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Carolina Christian College was formally named Winston-Salem Bible College until 2007. They recently started to add sports. They are a 4 year college in the USCAA. They just need to get TRACs and the regional to join the NCCAA and NAIA.

TRACS isn't good enough for full membership in the NAIA.

(01-22-2023 01:35 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  

(01-22-2023 12:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Carolina Christian College was formally named Winston-Salem Bible College until 2007. They recently started to add sports. They are a 4 year college in the USCAA. They just need to get TRACs and the regional to join the NCCAA and NAIA.

TRACS isn't good enough for full membership in the NAIA.

I said that they could be going for them both. They just need to get their Is and Ts to cross. If you read what I said, they need to get TRACs and the regional which is SACs, then they would be all set. It is no doubt that they have been around since 1945, but just recently added sports.