Mike Krzyzewski retires from Duke.
Roy Williams retires from North Carolina.

This should be a golden age for the University of Kentucky and John Calipari. What is going on? They should be dominating recruiting and be the best team.

Does anyone have any insights?

Calipari to Texas to reset his clock. KY throws money at Bennett.

78-52 to Alabama.

(01-07-2023 02:39 PM)chess Wrote:  Mike Krzyzewski retires from Duke.
Roy Williams retires from North Carolina.

This should be a golden age for the University of Kentucky and John Calipari. What is going on? They should be dominating recruiting and be the best team.

Does anyone have any insights?

What's new? He can recruit like hell, but he couldn't coach his wife through labor in the delivery room surrounded by medical professionals. He is, and has been, way, way overrated as a coach. Kentucky is 5 studs running wild with precious little coordination.

(01-07-2023 03:55 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 02:39 PM)chess Wrote:  Mike Krzyzewski retires from Duke.
Roy Williams retires from North Carolina.

This should be a golden age for the University of Kentucky and John Calipari. What is going on? They should be dominating recruiting and be the best team.

Does anyone have any insights?

What's new? He can recruit like hell, but he couldn't coach his wife through labor in the delivery room surrounded by medical professionals. He is, and has been, way, way overrated as a coach. Kentucky is 5 studs running wild with precious little coordination.

What he said.
He gets recruits funneled to him like hell.
Lived in KY for years. If Calipari has the most talented team in the country then he has about a 10% chance of making the final four.
If he has 70s UCLA level talent he has about a 33% chance of winning it all.
His coaching tree is a dying twig.
Dude cannot coach

(01-07-2023 09:06 PM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 03:55 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 02:39 PM)chess Wrote:  Mike Krzyzewski retires from Duke.
Roy Williams retires from North Carolina.

This should be a golden age for the University of Kentucky and John Calipari. What is going on? They should be dominating recruiting and be the best team.

Does anyone have any insights?

What's new? He can recruit like hell, but he couldn't coach his wife through labor in the delivery room surrounded by medical professionals. He is, and has been, way, way overrated as a coach. Kentucky is 5 studs running wild with precious little coordination.

What he said.
He gets recruits funneled to him like hell.
Lived in KY for years. If Calipari has the most talented team in the country then he has about a 10% chance of making the final four.
If he has 70s UCLA level talent he has about a 33% chance of winning it all.
His coaching tree is a dying twig.
Dude cannot coach

Oh BS. The guy won over 100 games in five years at UMass before Marcus Camby. I don't think UMass sniffed 100 wins the entire decade before Calipari.

I stand corrected. He's awesome. I wonder why it isn't golden time in Lexington?
He won 20 per year in the A 10. Well then he should roll at UK. Maybe it starts next year.
Or maybe trying to win with one and dones is a losing proposition, especially if you're mediocre at best.
Please tell me what I said about his tenure at UK is wrong. I lived there and witnessed it. Dude is nothing special.

(01-07-2023 10:08 PM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  I stand corrected. He's awesome. I wonder why it isn't golden time in Lexington?
He won 20 per year in the A 10. Well then he should roll at UK. Maybe it starts next year.
Or maybe trying to win with one and dones is a losing proposition, especially if you're mediocre at best.
Please tell me what I said about his tenure at UK is wrong. I lived there and witnessed it. Dude is nothing special.

This is the only thing you've said that is of note and doesn't come off as an ignoramus or bitter rival.

Coach K struggled with one-and-dones. Name a coach that consistently plays that hand and wins countless titles?

Since 2009-10, Calipari has won less than 25 games at Kentucky a grand total of TWICE. Maybe he does need a change of scenery.

Never liked him. Don't respect him. I think he epitomizes all that is wrong with college basketball. Everything he's done underhanded before is now legal. His advantage is gone. I anticipate his "resignation" within 2 seasons. He couldn't dominate b4 the free 4 all. He has no chance going forward. He's at the premier program in college basketball with the premier recruit funnel and he's 1/? on championships.
He's a mediocre coach.

John is clearly a coach and never was a teacher.

He can recruit and can somewhat manage a team, but when $hit goes wrong, it's never his fault.

CBS Sports Basketball podcast talked about him on their December 29 podcast when they lost to Missouri. Listen to that.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wvCxf2fe4Zk

How he has one title at Memphis and Kentucky combined, I'll never know.

Wake me in Mid March … that is when College Basketball starts …

(01-07-2023 02:39 PM)chess Wrote:  Mike Krzyzewski retires from Duke.
Roy Williams retires from North Carolina.

This should be a golden age for the University of Kentucky and John Calipari. What is going on? They should be dominating recruiting and be the best team.

Does anyone have any insights?

Schools like Arkansas and Bama suddenly getting good again and competing for similar caliber recruits in close proximity to Kentucky probably hasn't helped them. I think Kentucky should really try to pursue Nate Oates if they make a move on Cal.

He's arguably won less titles with more talent than anyone but Dean Smith in the 1970s. Two of coach K's titles, in 2010 and 2015, should have been Kentucky's.

But .... he has won a title a lot more recently than Izzo, and nobody ever gets on Izzo.

It's hard to fire a guy who wins as much as he does. He does win a lot.

And Mark Few has 0 titles and plays a schedule softer than bathroom tissue (the good kind).

People are judging Cal with their personal biases. I would reckon it’s a hell of a lot harder to coach a brand new team of freshmen every season to the success he’s achieved. If there’s a downfall, it’s his recruiting practices. But if he stopped that approach then the fanbase would cry.

Once again, his UMass teams were not loaded with NBA talent, but I distinctly remember them beating the defending champion Tar Heels and whipping powerhouse Arkansas as well. Anybody saying he can’t coach should stick to football commentary.

(01-08-2023 09:08 AM)esayem Wrote:  And Mark Few has 0 titles and plays a schedule softer than bathroom tissue (the good kind).

People are judging Cal with their personal biases. I would reckon it’s a hell of a lot harder to coach a brand new team of freshmen every season to the success he’s achieved. If there’s a downfall, it’s his recruiting practices. But if he stopped that approach then the fanbase would cry.

Once again, his UMass teams were not loaded with NBA talent, but I distinctly remember them beating the defending champion Tar Heels and whipping powerhouse Arkansas as well. Anybody saying he can’t coach should stick to football commentary.

Not sure why you're taking a swipe at Gonzaga. Since Kentucky's last final four (2015) Kentucky has 3 S16s and 2 E8s. Gonzaga on the other hand has been to the S16 in all 6 seasons, 3 E8's, and finished runner up twice. So they've kind of been the better of the two programsas of late.

(01-08-2023 09:16 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(01-08-2023 09:08 AM)esayem Wrote:  And Mark Few has 0 titles and plays a schedule softer than bathroom tissue (the good kind).

People are judging Cal with their personal biases. I would reckon it’s a hell of a lot harder to coach a brand new team of freshmen every season to the success he’s achieved. If there’s a downfall, it’s his recruiting practices. But if he stopped that approach then the fanbase would cry.

Once again, his UMass teams were not loaded with NBA talent, but I distinctly remember them beating the defending champion Tar Heels and whipping powerhouse Arkansas as well. Anybody saying he can’t coach should stick to football commentary.

Not sure why you're taking a swipe at Gonzaga. Since Kentucky's last final four (2015) Kentucky has 3 S16s and 2 E8s. Gonzaga on the other hand has been to the S16 in all 6 seasons, 3 E8's, and finished runner up twice. So they've kind of been the better of the two programsas of late.

The whole premise is Calipari does't win enough titles. Few has never won one, but nobody is calling for his head.

Kentucky had great recruiting but the problem is most of his talented players leave after their freshman season. So there's not enough time to build chemistry like a team led by juniors or seniors.

Most would agree that Calipari is, to be fair, not an elite all-round coach. But he might be a better coach — in terms of in-game strategy, substitution patterns, clock management, etc. — than his detractors either want to admit or realize.

Lots of folks (particularly old-school types) might not like the fact that Cal, a former NBA coach, is strongly focused on getting his players to the NBA. Some of these people (they tend to be what I call "purists") tend to be dismissive of the NBA and, as such, can be overly critical about anything or anyone affiliated with it. They perhaps feel Cal's "pro ball focus" for his players is indirectly disrespectful to the college game.

Maybe I'm wrong.