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(12-24-2022 10:35 PM)MGMFIN86 Wrote:  Spot on we are part of the small niche that like MAC mid major sports. Merry Christmas

With that being said....The MAC and my old buddy the WAC used to be something

I'm still pretty young, so I've only known the NIU Huskies since 2006. I've known my UH Bows ever since I can remember. The Bows used to have fans back in the early 00s through early 10s. And from all of the NIU classic games I've watched on YouTube such as NIU/Bowling Green, NIU/Miami Ohio, NIU/Toledo, we used to have quite the following too.

A combination of the Power 5, the NCAA, the MAC itself, and ourselves have killed us and brought us to a level slightly above 8A football.
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(12-24-2022 10:47 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  
(12-24-2022 10:35 PM)MGMFIN86 Wrote:  Spot on we are part of the small niche that like MAC mid major sports. Merry Christmas

With that being said....The MAC and my old buddy the WAC used to be something

I'm still pretty young, so I've only known the NIU Huskies since 2006. I've known my UH Bows ever since I can remember. The Bows used to have fans back in the early 00s through early 10s. And from all of the NIU classic games I've watched on YouTube such as NIU/Bowling Green, NIU/Miami Ohio, NIU/Toledo, we used to have quite the following too.

A combination of the Power 5, the NCAA, the MAC itself, and ourselves have killed us and brought us to a level slightly above 8A football.

The fan base is still there, they just need to get back in the habit of actually traveling to the stadium on game day. Attendance is down all over the FBS, it's not a special NIU/MAC issue.

I hope college football fans start migrating back towards the live event.
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(12-25-2022 11:56 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  
(12-24-2022 10:47 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  
(12-24-2022 10:35 PM)MGMFIN86 Wrote:  Spot on we are part of the small niche that like MAC mid major sports. Merry Christmas

With that being said....The MAC and my old buddy the WAC used to be something

I'm still pretty young, so I've only known the NIU Huskies since 2006. I've known my UH Bows ever since I can remember. The Bows used to have fans back in the early 00s through early 10s. And from all of the NIU classic games I've watched on YouTube such as NIU/Bowling Green, NIU/Miami Ohio, NIU/Toledo, we used to have quite the following too.

A combination of the Power 5, the NCAA, the MAC itself, and ourselves have killed us and brought us to a level slightly above 8A football.

The fan base is still there, they just need to get back in the habit of actually traveling to the stadium on game day. Attendance is down all over the FBS, it's not a special NIU/MAC issue.

I hope college football fans start migrating back towards the live event.


The problem I see now is that people won’t attach to a team because players will leave every year. The team plays well and wins a championship, and players will leave with greener pastures in their eyes. That could mean a whole different team the next year. The time of four-year players is gone. Smaller schools like NIU will become mere stepping stones. Imagine what it would have been like with Garrett Wolfe, Michael Turner, and Jordan Lynch here for just one year. Those players put their stamp on the university and built excitement and the fan base.
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(12-25-2022 12:56 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  
(12-25-2022 11:56 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  
(12-24-2022 10:47 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  
(12-24-2022 10:35 PM)MGMFIN86 Wrote:  Spot on we are part of the small niche that like MAC mid major sports. Merry Christmas

With that being said....The MAC and my old buddy the WAC used to be something

I'm still pretty young, so I've only known the NIU Huskies since 2006. I've known my UH Bows ever since I can remember. The Bows used to have fans back in the early 00s through early 10s. And from all of the NIU classic games I've watched on YouTube such as NIU/Bowling Green, NIU/Miami Ohio, NIU/Toledo, we used to have quite the following too.

A combination of the Power 5, the NCAA, the MAC itself, and ourselves have killed us and brought us to a level slightly above 8A football.

The fan base is still there, they just need to get back in the habit of actually traveling to the stadium on game day. Attendance is down all over the FBS, it's not a special NIU/MAC issue.

I hope college football fans start migrating back towards the live event.


The problem I see now is that people won’t attach to a team because players will leave every year. The team plays well and wins a championship, and players will leave with greener pastures in their eyes. That could mean a whole different team the next year. The time of four-year players is gone. Smaller schools like NIU will become mere stepping stones. Imagine what it would have been like with Garrett Wolfe, Michael Turner, and Jordan Lynch here for just one year. Those players put their stamp on the university and built excitement and the fan base.

I can see that logic, but it also looks like plenty of P5 players enter the portal every year as well. Perhaps they lose less marquis players than we do on average. Still, fans just have to adjust and follow the program, even with extra roster shuffling.
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(12-25-2022 12:56 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  
(12-25-2022 11:56 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  
(12-24-2022 10:47 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  
(12-24-2022 10:35 PM)MGMFIN86 Wrote:  Spot on we are part of the small niche that like MAC mid major sports. Merry Christmas

With that being said....The MAC and my old buddy the WAC used to be something

I'm still pretty young, so I've only known the NIU Huskies since 2006. I've known my UH Bows ever since I can remember. The Bows used to have fans back in the early 00s through early 10s. And from all of the NIU classic games I've watched on YouTube such as NIU/Bowling Green, NIU/Miami Ohio, NIU/Toledo, we used to have quite the following too.

A combination of the Power 5, the NCAA, the MAC itself, and ourselves have killed us and brought us to a level slightly above 8A football.

The fan base is still there, they just need to get back in the habit of actually traveling to the stadium on game day. Attendance is down all over the FBS, it's not a special NIU/MAC issue.

I hope college football fans start migrating back towards the live event.


The problem I see now is that people won’t attach to a team because players will leave every year. The team plays well and wins a championship, and players will leave with greener pastures in their eyes. That could mean a whole different team the next year. The time of four-year players is gone. Smaller schools like NIU will become mere stepping stones. Imagine what it would have been like with Garrett Wolfe, Michael Turner, and Jordan Lynch here for just one year. Those players put their stamp on the university and built excitement and the fan base.

This has been happening with professional sports for generations yet we still root for that laundry no matter who is wearing it.
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Maybe STF & Co. have stumbled onto the right strategy to deal with where non-P5 FBS is going.

Why bother to market and spend money/attention on keeping/buiding live attendance when weekday night games and minor bowls have already handed it to the made-for-TV fans and gamblers? Are the Saturday games going that way too?

And why fund-raise for expensive Huskie Stadium improvements for masses of fans? Like that "ring thing" promo sale for the north end/Yordan project, just go for premium seating/donors and take when you can get from the peasants. Costs less time and effort from a smaller staff anyway. And the diehard grayhairs won't be around much longer to complain.

The MAC is not the SBC, where the local towns and fan bases are bigger, the conference has remade itself into the cool and froody, money is being spent on better/bigger facilities and remodels, the weather is better, the regional population is growing, etc.

Thank goodness for cable/digital and live streaming.
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(12-26-2022 11:57 AM)pvk75 Wrote:  Maybe STF & Co. have stumbled onto the right strategy to deal with where non-P5 FBS is going.

Why bother to market and spend money/attention on keeping/buiding live attendance when weekday night games and minor bowls have already handed it to the made-for-TV fans and gamblers? Are the Saturday games going that way too?

And why fund-raise for expensive Huskie Stadium improvements for masses of fans? Like that "ring thing" promo sale for the north end/Yordan project, just go for premium seating/donors and take when you can get from the peasants. Costs less time and effort from a smaller staff anyway. And the diehard grayhairs won't be around much longer to complain.

The MAC is not the SBC, where the local towns and fan bases are bigger, the conference has remade itself into the cool and froody, money is being spent on better/bigger facilities and remodels, the weather is better, the regional population is growing, etc.

Thank goodness for cable/digital and live streaming.


100% correct. And this is why we won’t see any stadium improvements except for fixing what breaks. Interest in NIU sports is waning, led by our own athletics administration’s lack of interest in anything except collecting money and their paychecks. They may talk a good game (sometimes), but they know the reality. All the big honchos need to do is look out their skybox window to see the lack of fans.

For a few years, I have been a big proponent of moving down to FCS and letting the chips fall where they may. I am an even bigger proponent of that now. What’s the worry? Less attendance? So, we’ll decrease from 11K to 9K. Big deal. Maybe we can generate some excitement with annual games against the other state directional schools and build some true rivalries. IMO, our days in FBS are numbered anyway.

We’re not getting a new AD, so maybe the only thing to save our existence is moving down to FCS. With a lack of interest in NIU sports, we are only fooling ourselves that we are FBS caliber.
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(12-26-2022 01:03 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  
(12-26-2022 11:57 AM)pvk75 Wrote:  Maybe STF & Co. have stumbled onto the right strategy to deal with where non-P5 FBS is going.

Why bother to market and spend money/attention on keeping/buiding live attendance when weekday night games and minor bowls have already handed it to the made-for-TV fans and gamblers? Are the Saturday games going that way too?

And why fund-raise for expensive Huskie Stadium improvements for masses of fans? Like that "ring thing" promo sale for the north end/Yordan project, just go for premium seating/donors and take when you can get from the peasants. Costs less time and effort from a smaller staff anyway. And the diehard grayhairs won't be around much longer to complain.

The MAC is not the SBC, where the local towns and fan bases are bigger, the conference has remade itself into the cool and froody, money is being spent on better/bigger facilities and remodels, the weather is better, the regional population is growing, etc.

Thank goodness for cable/digital and live streaming.


100% correct. And this is why we won’t see any stadium improvements except for fixing what breaks. Interest in NIU sports is waning, led by our own athletics administration’s lack of interest in anything except collecting money and their paychecks. They may talk a good game (sometimes), but they know the reality. All the big honchos need to do is look out their skybox window to see the lack of fans.

For a few years, I have been a big proponent of moving down to FCS and letting the chips fall where they may. I am an even bigger proponent of that now. What’s the worry? Less attendance? So, we’ll decrease from 11K to 9K. Big deal. Maybe we can generate some excitement with annual games against the other state directional schools and build some true rivalries. IMO, our days in FBS are numbered anyway.

We’re not getting a new AD, so maybe the only thing to save our existence is moving down to FCS. With a lack of interest in NIU sports, we are only fooling ourselves that we are FBS caliber.

OMG, so over the sky is falling garbage. We were champions of our FBS conference just 2 seasons ago, and one of the few G5's to ever make a major bowl game. We're very FBS caliber, we need and deserve an FBS caliber AD, looks like thats a 36 month wait.

If we're not FBS level, then neither is NU or the Illini every third year when the both go 4-8, and NU's stadium is 2/3 empty.
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Much as I hate to admit it -- and enjoyed the Cal Bowl in '83, the MAC titles and boneyard wins -- you may be right about FCS. As long as everything else stays D1 for mbb and wbb, etc., what's the big deal? Best games and best chance for home attendance is the in-state FCS and maybe Northern Iowa, SEMO and a few others with actual fans who might travel.

We're not getting major new facilities or upgrades that it will take to allegedly "compete," and we're not going to. The loss of P5 paydays (though they do schedule some FCS) may force the A.Dept. to boost bball and other sports that are inside in winter. Many are weekday/night events when students are not away home for weekends and there's not much else to do in DeKalb. Events are shorter too, making weekday night travel for alumni et al a little easier.

Also, being honest, how much of the football revenue including P5 paydays benefits other sports? My bet is it all goes to football. Checking fbschedules, I'd say play out the P5s on the schedule and start planning in the FCS direction. That will give NIU time to check out the changing FBS landscape.

Despite the naysayers, a lot of FCS/D1 schools are successful with less focus on football (except maybe NDSU) and a more "even" focus on other sports. And with the growth in TV/streaming, IMO it won't be all that hard to find a game. The media are all about live content. Also, take note, the programs going FCS>FBS are in the South or near-South ... warmer weather, growing population, more $, etc. None of that is happening around NIU, the region or the state.
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(12-26-2022 01:38 PM)pvk75 Wrote:  Much as I hate to admit it -- and enjoyed the Cal Bowl in '83, the MAC titles and boneyard wins -- you may be right about FCS. As long as everything else stays D1 for mbb and wbb, etc., what's the big deal? Best games and best chance for home attendance is the in-state FCS and maybe Northern Iowa, SEMO and a few others with actual fans who might travel. When we get 11,000 for Vanderbilt on a nice day, it's time to come in for a landing.

We're not getting major new facilities or upgrades that it will take to allegedly "compete," and we're not going to. The loss of P5 paydays (though they do schedule some FCS) may force the A.Dept. to boost bball and other sports that are inside in winter. Many are weekday/night events when students are not away home for weekends and there's not much else to do in DeKalb. Events are shorter too, making weekday night travel for alumni et al a little easier.

Also, being honest, how much of the football revenue including P5 paydays benefits other sports? My bet is it all goes to football. Checking fbschedules, I'd say play out the P5s on the schedule and start planning in the FCS direction. That will give NIU time to check out the changing FBS landscape.

Despite the naysayers, a lot of FCS/D1 schools are successful with less focus on football (except maybe NDSU) and a more "even" focus on other sports. And with the growth in TV/streaming, IMO won't be all that hard to find a game.

We get all of the in-state FCS games we want right now at Huskie Stadium, their fan attendance in Dekalb is not that exciting. If we went FCS, we'd still be in a facility battle, as all of those schools are constantly fund-raising and bettering their stadiums as well. You could kiss 60% of your P5 match ups good bye, a portion of the alumni followers would bail after the downgrade, and the irony would be too much to take as most of our new FCS brothers are longing to make the FBS jump themselves... Maybe NIU should give up its Engineering doctoral programs as well to relieve the stress of competing with Big10 Engineering programs? We could sell off the dorms if you like, skip the FCS level and just become a very manageable community college? Good lord, I'm sure we'll go 7-5 next year and all of this chicken little stuff will subside, but too much to take in the meantime.
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I don't really want to start an argument in the midst of a holiday, but the comments made were longer-term and nowhere near the ridiculous, such as cutting an academic program that is popular in its own right, demolishing dorms or becoming a CC.

How many of those dwindling alumni are willing to pony up the $130 million in facility upgrades estimated in the 2014-15 facilities plan, which was 8 years ago? Where are the corporate donations from those companies building along I-88? How much NIL $ are NIU student-athletes drawing? Where's that big-bucks naming rights deal NIU has been seeking for the Convo for four years? How come it's taking three years (and counting) to upgrade the baseball stadium? And why was the focus on that facility/program? Why did MBB have to go on the road for o-o-c bucks (20 of 25 games) so far during the Burno regime? Why cut the vball coach on the team's upswing; could it be partly that he was making more than all HCs except fb, mbb and wbb?

Somebody post some answers, but I have the sad sorry thought that a lot of what's happening/not happening is just survival. And talk of FCS is just frustration. But where is the realistic plan for facilities, fund-raising, marketing, attendance, etc.? Where is the plan to get up from just surviving? Or maybe the plan is to trudge along until realism slams NIU in the head really hard. But yes, until then, NIU has to keep on keeping on. And maybe that post about getting a fresh AD is not such a bad idea. If it ever happened.
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(12-25-2022 11:07 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(12-25-2022 12:56 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  
(12-25-2022 11:56 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  
(12-24-2022 10:47 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  
(12-24-2022 10:35 PM)MGMFIN86 Wrote:  Spot on we are part of the small niche that like MAC mid major sports. Merry Christmas

With that being said....The MAC and my old buddy the WAC used to be something

I'm still pretty young, so I've only known the NIU Huskies since 2006. I've known my UH Bows ever since I can remember. The Bows used to have fans back in the early 00s through early 10s. And from all of the NIU classic games I've watched on YouTube such as NIU/Bowling Green, NIU/Miami Ohio, NIU/Toledo, we used to have quite the following too.

A combination of the Power 5, the NCAA, the MAC itself, and ourselves have killed us and brought us to a level slightly above 8A football.

The fan base is still there, they just need to get back in the habit of actually traveling to the stadium on game day. Attendance is down all over the FBS, it's not a special NIU/MAC issue.

I hope college football fans start migrating back towards the live event.


The problem I see now is that people won’t attach to a team because players will leave every year. The team plays well and wins a championship, and players will leave with greener pastures in their eyes. That could mean a whole different team the next year. The time of four-year players is gone. Smaller schools like NIU will become mere stepping stones. Imagine what it would have been like with Garrett Wolfe, Michael Turner, and Jordan Lynch here for just one year. Those players put their stamp on the university and built excitement and the fan base.

This has been happening with professional sports for generations yet we still root for that laundry no matter who is wearing it.

You are answering the question to the probably claiming the problem existed . Or, claiming there was a problem in pros and now college faces the same.

Pros used to stay with teams who careers, may 2 teams. Then came free agency in baseball than other sports. Baseball decided to have no cap so money generating teams can keep guys. Basketball did same with max contracts. Football, on the other hand wanted parity after a handful of teams dominated for decades and got it. But while pets rarely play whole career with a team, the best ones usually are there 1st 5 years.

In college you were used to a kid there 5 years, seeing him play maybe 3 ( 2 if leaving early) 2 as a star. In reality, the best and core players in pros on most teams are there longer than college. But the found way to market leagues , as in a sense NCAA does. Just that MAC and NIU are not at the top.
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(12-26-2022 01:38 PM)pvk75 Wrote:  Much as I hate to admit it -- and enjoyed the Cal Bowl in '83, the MAC titles and boneyard wins -- you may be right about FCS. As long as everything else stays D1 for mbb and wbb, etc., what's the big deal? Best games and best chance for home attendance is the in-state FCS and maybe Northern Iowa, SEMO and a few others with actual fans who might travel.

We're not getting major new facilities or upgrades that it will take to allegedly "compete," and we're not going to. The loss of P5 paydays (though they do schedule some FCS) may force the A.Dept. to boost bball and other sports that are inside in winter. Many are weekday/night events when students are not away home for weekends and there's not much else to do in DeKalb. Events are shorter too, making weekday night travel for alumni et al a little easier.

Also, being honest, how much of the football revenue including P5 paydays benefits other sports? My bet is it all goes to football. Checking fbschedules, I'd say play out the P5s on the schedule and start planning in the FCS direction. That will give NIU time to check out the changing FBS landscape.

Despite the naysayers, a lot of FCS/D1 schools are successful with less focus on football (except maybe NDSU) and a more "even" focus on other sports. And with the growth in TV/streaming, IMO it won't be all that hard to find a game. The media are all about live content. Also, take note, the programs going FCS>FBS are in the South or near-South ... warmer weather, growing population, more $, etc. None of that is happening around NIU, the region or the state.

I hate to admit this, Dog Fan and pvk75 are absolutely right in their predictions.
The current model of NIU Athletic Department is not sustainable as stated by numerous posts.
There is not a core of two generations of young fans to replace us old guys/gals that are fading away.
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(12-26-2022 05:27 PM)NIU75 Wrote:  
(12-26-2022 01:38 PM)pvk75 Wrote:  Much as I hate to admit it -- and enjoyed the Cal Bowl in '83, the MAC titles and boneyard wins -- you may be right about FCS. As long as everything else stays D1 for mbb and wbb, etc., what's the big deal? Best games and best chance for home attendance is the in-state FCS and maybe Northern Iowa, SEMO and a few others with actual fans who might travel.

We're not getting major new facilities or upgrades that it will take to allegedly "compete," and we're not going to. The loss of P5 paydays (though they do schedule some FCS) may force the A.Dept. to boost bball and other sports that are inside in winter. Many are weekday/night events when students are not away home for weekends and there's not much else to do in DeKalb. Events are shorter too, making weekday night travel for alumni et al a little easier.

Also, being honest, how much of the football revenue including P5 paydays benefits other sports? My bet is it all goes to football. Checking fbschedules, I'd say play out the P5s on the schedule and start planning in the FCS direction. That will give NIU time to check out the changing FBS landscape.

Despite the naysayers, a lot of FCS/D1 schools are successful with less focus on football (except maybe NDSU) and a more "even" focus on other sports. And with the growth in TV/streaming, IMO it won't be all that hard to find a game. The media are all about live content. Also, take note, the programs going FCS>FBS are in the South or near-South ... warmer weather, growing population, more $, etc. None of that is happening around NIU, the region or the state.

I hate to admit this, Dog Fan and pvk75 are absolutely right in their predictions.
The current model of NIU Athletic Department is not sustainable as stated by numerous posts.
There is not a core of two generations of young fans to replace us old guys/gals that are fading away.

You have an athletic director who’s given up on improving NIU. He’s more interested in himself right now. There’s zero marketing. If they just do an outright “Remodel Huskie Stadium” campaign and 100% donations go to the stadium they could make headway. I think there’s a large contingency of alumni that would be willing to donate $50+ per person to get the project started.
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(12-26-2022 01:34 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  
(12-26-2022 01:03 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  
(12-26-2022 11:57 AM)pvk75 Wrote:  Maybe STF & Co. have stumbled onto the right strategy to deal with where non-P5 FBS is going.

Why bother to market and spend money/attention on keeping/buiding live attendance when weekday night games and minor bowls have already handed it to the made-for-TV fans and gamblers? Are the Saturday games going that way too?

And why fund-raise for expensive Huskie Stadium improvements for masses of fans? Like that "ring thing" promo sale for the north end/Yordan project, just go for premium seating/donors and take when you can get from the peasants. Costs less time and effort from a smaller staff anyway. And the diehard grayhairs won't be around much longer to complain.

The MAC is not the SBC, where the local towns and fan bases are bigger, the conference has remade itself into the cool and froody, money is being spent on better/bigger facilities and remodels, the weather is better, the regional population is growing, etc.

Thank goodness for cable/digital and live streaming.


100% correct. And this is why we won’t see any stadium improvements except for fixing what breaks. Interest in NIU sports is waning, led by our own athletics administration’s lack of interest in anything except collecting money and their paychecks. They may talk a good game (sometimes), but they know the reality. All the big honchos need to do is look out their skybox window to see the lack of fans.

For a few years, I have been a big proponent of moving down to FCS and letting the chips fall where they may. I am an even bigger proponent of that now. What’s the worry? Less attendance? So, we’ll decrease from 11K to 9K. Big deal. Maybe we can generate some excitement with annual games against the other state directional schools and build some true rivalries. IMO, our days in FBS are numbered anyway.

We’re not getting a new AD, so maybe the only thing to save our existence is moving down to FCS. With a lack of interest in NIU sports, we are only fooling ourselves that we are FBS caliber.

OMG, so over the sky is falling garbage. We were champions of our FBS conference just 2 seasons ago, and one of the few G5's to ever make a major bowl game. We're very FBS caliber, we need and deserve an FBS caliber AD, looks like thats a 36 month wait.

If we're not FBS level, then neither is NU or the Illini every third year when the both go 4-8, and NU's stadium is 2/3 empty.

I wonder what fans of other conferences think when we beat our chest and brag about being MAC Champions.

Sometimes things are only impressive as it seems from a certain point of view. And if we're the only people thinking our accomplishments are something to brag about...then maybe they aren't actually brag-worthy accomplishments.
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(01-05-2023 03:30 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  Everyone get your Huskie Football 2022 Season Survey in the e-mail today? Several questions on fan and game day experience. I completed mine and gave them a lot to read.

No?

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(01-05-2023 03:30 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  Everyone get your Huskie Football 2022 Season Survey in the e-mail today? Several questions on fan and game day experience. I completed mine and gave them a lot to read.

No?

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I thought my voice mattered...

Mine didn't show as well. Shocker.
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(12-26-2022 07:26 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(12-26-2022 01:34 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  
(12-26-2022 01:03 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  
(12-26-2022 11:57 AM)pvk75 Wrote:  Maybe STF & Co. have stumbled onto the right strategy to deal with where non-P5 FBS is going.

Why bother to market and spend money/attention on keeping/buiding live attendance when weekday night games and minor bowls have already handed it to the made-for-TV fans and gamblers? Are the Saturday games going that way too?

And why fund-raise for expensive Huskie Stadium improvements for masses of fans? Like that "ring thing" promo sale for the north end/Yordan project, just go for premium seating/donors and take when you can get from the peasants. Costs less time and effort from a smaller staff anyway. And the diehard grayhairs won't be around much longer to complain.

The MAC is not the SBC, where the local towns and fan bases are bigger, the conference has remade itself into the cool and froody, money is being spent on better/bigger facilities and remodels, the weather is better, the regional population is growing, etc.

Thank goodness for cable/digital and live streaming.


100% correct. And this is why we won’t see any stadium improvements except for fixing what breaks. Interest in NIU sports is waning, led by our own athletics administration’s lack of interest in anything except collecting money and their paychecks. They may talk a good game (sometimes), but they know the reality. All the big honchos need to do is look out their skybox window to see the lack of fans.

For a few years, I have been a big proponent of moving down to FCS and letting the chips fall where they may. I am an even bigger proponent of that now. What’s the worry? Less attendance? So, we’ll decrease from 11K to 9K. Big deal. Maybe we can generate some excitement with annual games against the other state directional schools and build some true rivalries. IMO, our days in FBS are numbered anyway.

We’re not getting a new AD, so maybe the only thing to save our existence is moving down to FCS. With a lack of interest in NIU sports, we are only fooling ourselves that we are FBS caliber.

OMG, so over the sky is falling garbage. We were champions of our FBS conference just 2 seasons ago, and one of the few G5's to ever make a major bowl game. We're very FBS caliber, we need and deserve an FBS caliber AD, looks like thats a 36 month wait.

If we're not FBS level, then neither is NU or the Illini every third year when the both go 4-8, and NU's stadium is 2/3 empty.

I wonder what fans of other conferences think when we beat our chest and brag about being MAC Champions.

Sometimes things are only impressive as it seems from a certain point of view. And if we're the only people thinking our accomplishments are something to brag about...then maybe they aren't actually brag-worthy accomplishments.

Now that the MAC won the bowl challenge, we can beat our chests to til the cows come (next year hopefully).
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(01-05-2023 04:05 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  
(01-05-2023 03:50 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  
(01-05-2023 03:30 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  Everyone get your Huskie Football 2022 Season Survey in the e-mail today? Several questions on fan and game day experience. I completed mine and gave them a lot to read.

No?

:....(

I thought my voice mattered...

Mine didn't show as well. Shocker.

We didn't donate enough. I knew Dog Fan was a heavy hitter.

What if he was the reason for hot dog shortages.
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